Prostester advocating criminal damage to 4x4s
Discussion
I'd like to see him throw mud over some of the 4x4s I know of, and live...
Bristol Evening Post...
www.thisisbristol.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=145365&command=displayContent&sourceNode=145191&contentPK=16224339&folderPk=83726&pNodeId=144922
Drivers of 4x4s in Bristol face having buckets of mud thrown over their cars as part of a campaign to force gas-guzzlers off the city's streets.Environmental activist David Rose, of Clifton, and his friend Harriet Williams decided to form a new group after seeing the popularity of the four-wheel-drive cars increase in the city.
They are starting a direct action campaign of throwing buckets of mud over parked 4x4s and putting fake parking tickets under their windscreen wipers.
The 42-year-old mature student at Bristol University said: "We are linked with the Alliance Against Urban 4x4s in London, and they are supporting us, after they were successful in campaigning to get a proposed £25 daily congestion charge there.
"Our plan is to make 4x4 drivers look stupid by giving their cars mud washes or placing the fake tickets on them.
"It is non-violent, direct action within the law.
"These vehicles never seem to be used for what they were intended.
"If you live in the country you obviously may need one for off-road driving, but not in Bristol."
Mr Rose said the group's aim was to make driving a 4x4 socially unacceptable and to get Bristol City Council to levy a congestion charge on them in the centre of Bristol. Their main arguments are that the vehicles are environmentally unfriendly and pose a risk to other road users and pedestrians.
Mr Rose said motorists and cyclists also found them difficult to see around.
He said: "There are just so many things wrong with them, we've got volunteers coming forward to join the group for all kinds of reasons.
"Some are just concerned with road safety, because roads in the city are narrow and they pose a danger. They emit higher amounts of carbon than normal cars as well
"We are not anti-car, we are just anti-4x4."
Sports cars were also part of the campaign, he said, but were not as important as 4x4s.
Mr Rose said the vehicles represented a major part of the culture of conspicuous consumption.
He said: "Part of the thing with them is showing off, I don't know why.
"There seems to be more and more of them in Bristol, and I think people are angry about it, and a lot want to do something about it."
The fake parking tickets featured safety and emissions data and the statement "Poor Vehicle Choice", said Mr Rose, who is hoping to develop ones specific to Bristol.
The group was also looking for volunteers to join its steering committee, he said.
In September 2005, cyclists in Bristol launched a poster campaign targeting four-wheel-drive cars.
Members of the Bristol Cycling Campaign sent out 900, A3-size posters to members and supporters bearing the words "No 4x4s" with a road sign type of image "banning" them.
Bob Bull, of the South West branch of the Association of British Drivers, said: "We are totally against the campaign.
"Our view is that these people, once they have finished with 4x4s, will move on to something else like sports cars.
"They won't be satisfied until there are no cars on the roads, it is ridiculous.
"Yes, certain 4x4s are excessive, if they are used in an inappropriate way.
"But where is the cut-off point? I drive an Audi car with four-wheel- drive, my brother-in-law has a Nissan 4x4 which is diesel and more economical than most saloons.
"It's like the whole campaign against the expansion of the airport, I think people just want to have something to moan about."
Wayne Baker, a spokesman for Avon and Somerset Police, said throwing mud washes over cars could be considered as criminal damage.
He said: "It would be regarded as an act of criminal damage, depending on the circumstances.
"It could also be regarded as a public nuisance offence as well."
Bristol Evening Post...
www.thisisbristol.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=145365&command=displayContent&sourceNode=145191&contentPK=16224339&folderPk=83726&pNodeId=144922
Drivers of 4x4s in Bristol face having buckets of mud thrown over their cars as part of a campaign to force gas-guzzlers off the city's streets.Environmental activist David Rose, of Clifton, and his friend Harriet Williams decided to form a new group after seeing the popularity of the four-wheel-drive cars increase in the city.
They are starting a direct action campaign of throwing buckets of mud over parked 4x4s and putting fake parking tickets under their windscreen wipers.
The 42-year-old mature student at Bristol University said: "We are linked with the Alliance Against Urban 4x4s in London, and they are supporting us, after they were successful in campaigning to get a proposed £25 daily congestion charge there.
"Our plan is to make 4x4 drivers look stupid by giving their cars mud washes or placing the fake tickets on them.
"It is non-violent, direct action within the law.
"These vehicles never seem to be used for what they were intended.
"If you live in the country you obviously may need one for off-road driving, but not in Bristol."
Mr Rose said the group's aim was to make driving a 4x4 socially unacceptable and to get Bristol City Council to levy a congestion charge on them in the centre of Bristol. Their main arguments are that the vehicles are environmentally unfriendly and pose a risk to other road users and pedestrians.
Mr Rose said motorists and cyclists also found them difficult to see around.
He said: "There are just so many things wrong with them, we've got volunteers coming forward to join the group for all kinds of reasons.
"Some are just concerned with road safety, because roads in the city are narrow and they pose a danger. They emit higher amounts of carbon than normal cars as well
"We are not anti-car, we are just anti-4x4."
Sports cars were also part of the campaign, he said, but were not as important as 4x4s.
Mr Rose said the vehicles represented a major part of the culture of conspicuous consumption.
He said: "Part of the thing with them is showing off, I don't know why.
"There seems to be more and more of them in Bristol, and I think people are angry about it, and a lot want to do something about it."
The fake parking tickets featured safety and emissions data and the statement "Poor Vehicle Choice", said Mr Rose, who is hoping to develop ones specific to Bristol.
The group was also looking for volunteers to join its steering committee, he said.
In September 2005, cyclists in Bristol launched a poster campaign targeting four-wheel-drive cars.
Members of the Bristol Cycling Campaign sent out 900, A3-size posters to members and supporters bearing the words "No 4x4s" with a road sign type of image "banning" them.
Bob Bull, of the South West branch of the Association of British Drivers, said: "We are totally against the campaign.
"Our view is that these people, once they have finished with 4x4s, will move on to something else like sports cars.
"They won't be satisfied until there are no cars on the roads, it is ridiculous.
"Yes, certain 4x4s are excessive, if they are used in an inappropriate way.
"But where is the cut-off point? I drive an Audi car with four-wheel- drive, my brother-in-law has a Nissan 4x4 which is diesel and more economical than most saloons.
"It's like the whole campaign against the expansion of the airport, I think people just want to have something to moan about."
Wayne Baker, a spokesman for Avon and Somerset Police, said throwing mud washes over cars could be considered as criminal damage.
He said: "It would be regarded as an act of criminal damage, depending on the circumstances.
"It could also be regarded as a public nuisance offence as well."
Edited by Ubertractor on Wednesday 20th December 16:18
Contact details for the annoying lefty oxygen thief...
And what the hell does he think powers the heaters in the tent outside the pub? His own hot air perhaps?
"Meeting on Tuesday 12th December in Clifton
by David Rose - Alliance Against Urban 4x4s Sunday, Dec 10 2006, 1:37am
davidrose@libramedia.fsnet.co.uk
We are going to have our 1st meeting on Tuesday 12th December at 8.30pm at the Lansdown pub ( 8 Clifton Road,Clifton,Bristol,BS8 1AF). They have a large table (seats up to 15/20 people) in a tent outside (which is heated) and I'll try and to get that - or they have a more private room upstairs. My mobile is 07817 447 406 in case anyone cannot find us. Everyone is welcome to discuss the group's strategy and tactics."
And finally, anyone fancy organising rolling trip of 4x4s to help them with this?
"We are planning to launch the Bristol Group on the 14t/15th of January with a city wide - two days of action against urban 4x4s."
Wonder if they'll throw mud at the Traffic Coppers?
And what the hell does he think powers the heaters in the tent outside the pub? His own hot air perhaps?
"Meeting on Tuesday 12th December in Clifton
by David Rose - Alliance Against Urban 4x4s Sunday, Dec 10 2006, 1:37am
davidrose@libramedia.fsnet.co.uk
We are going to have our 1st meeting on Tuesday 12th December at 8.30pm at the Lansdown pub ( 8 Clifton Road,Clifton,Bristol,BS8 1AF). They have a large table (seats up to 15/20 people) in a tent outside (which is heated) and I'll try and to get that - or they have a more private room upstairs. My mobile is 07817 447 406 in case anyone cannot find us. Everyone is welcome to discuss the group's strategy and tactics."
And finally, anyone fancy organising rolling trip of 4x4s to help them with this?
"We are planning to launch the Bristol Group on the 14t/15th of January with a city wide - two days of action against urban 4x4s."
Wonder if they'll throw mud at the Traffic Coppers?
Edited by Ubertractor on Wednesday 20th December 18:55
Tunku said:
Anyone want to see his reply? A typical student, being up at this time. My excuse is, I'm on night shift and have 12 hours to kill.
His reply, note the double spacing. :-
Have you heard about Climate Change, you selfish idiot?
You and your stupid culture of excess consumption are destroying the Earth.
You are wrong and we are right.
All the evidence and facts about carbon and global warming are on our side.
All you have on your side is your childish need to consume and show off.
Grow up.
Industrial modernity is destroying itself.
You are history
x
David
His reply, note the double spacing. :-
Have you heard about Climate Change, you selfish idiot?
You and your stupid culture of excess consumption are destroying the Earth.
You are wrong and we are right.
All the evidence and facts about carbon and global warming are on our side.
All you have on your side is your childish need to consume and show off.
Grow up.
Industrial modernity is destroying itself.
You are history
x
David
Is he not actually 4 years old with an argument like that? Surprised he didn't add "So there" and "Ner ner ner!"
I claim ownership of "terrorism for toddlers"
Must admit I do really like the fact based responses. Kind of backs up what I said about his "YOU'RE WRONG, WE'RE RIGHT" approach to debate, or lack of.
This quote will get the BiB wathcing the protest if it goes ahead
"Oh so you are behind the sticker that defaced my truck . Well I will be returning your sticker when I find you at your so called protest , your picture is in the paper so I know who you are."
Edited by Ubertractor on Friday 22 December 09:17
His protest against the school run is overlooking one small issue. By picking on Public Schools he's going to meet more people who live outside Bristol and therefore need to use vehicles as public transport can't get the kids there!
Not too many of the kids at my school lived in really close proximity and those of us that did used the bus or cycled.
Doh!
Not too many of the kids at my school lived in really close proximity and those of us that did used the bus or cycled.
Doh!
Edited by Ubertractor on Friday 22 December 11:35
Again he targets Clifton, thus proving it is about class wars.
There are just as many 4x4s knocking around the council estates in Southmead, Henbury, Lawrence Weston, Knowle and Hartcliffe. Places where children play on the streets...
Bet he won't go there and have a go at them will he?
There are just as many 4x4s knocking around the council estates in Southmead, Henbury, Lawrence Weston, Knowle and Hartcliffe. Places where children play on the streets...
Bet he won't go there and have a go at them will he?
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