997 GTS - Hexagon

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I noticed the other day that Hexagon have three GTS's....an owner posted a couple of day ago on the PCGB forum that they were looking to sell a manual GTS Cab. Yesterday they said they'd sold it to Hexagon "get as many bids as you want we'll beat it". I think we know where this is going....

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c4sman said:

13m said:

Thought it interesting that there were none in the OPC network for ages, then a couple came up at fairly low prices recently and vanished very quickly. If there is a shortage, as there appears to be, why don't OPCs ask more for them?

Guess the OPC may have under priced which is why they sold quickly? Either way, these are no GT3s but holding up well on value which equals cheap motoring so all good if you are buying now or already have one.

Not sure a 997 GTS is something an OPC really spends much time thinking about! They'll pick cars up through trade in's etc but probably not actively looking to stock them like say JZM or RPM might. I bought mine from an OPC in Feb..manual car with all the right spec except buckets seats. I was the first person to enquire about it and I got nearly £2k off the sticker price. I am sure they probably had £5k or more in it but they could definitely have got more for it, I wasn't going to haggle as I knew they'd only just got it in stock, it was well priced and would sell quickly yet unprompted they offered me a deal on it.

My guess is trade price is around £55k on a GTS. Maybe less based on where those recent OPC cars were priced.

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andyc11 said:

Porsche911R said:

All down to miles for the price.

as these are very usable cars it's not so easy to fine a 15k mile car now hence the £70k price if one pops up.

look at 40k mile cars and trade bids will be much much lower that £55k !

Mine has 35k miles on and received an offer of £48k from OPC last week, following them contacting me via email stating they were seeking 911s (not specifically GTS).

Wow, what spec if your car ? That seems like a low bid.

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T25UFO said:

I was also offered £48,000 by an OPC to buy outright. Wasn't really interested in selling - just responded to one of those "we want to buy your 997" emails.

Then recently I looked at p/ex for a Boxster Spyder and was offered £58,000 - this from an independent - so I guess there's no such thing as a definitive price. Decided to keep mine - one of the last registered, good spec, used as a second car so low mileage, manual gearbox, short shift, full leather / alcantara, sunroof etc. Of course, I'm under no illusions that it's still a depreciating asset, but it's not a bad way to spend money!

Is your car GT Silver per chance ? I was in the JZM showroom about a month ago looking at the Boxster Spyder's they had in. Said they'd got very close to selling one to a bloke who wanted to trade in a manual GT Silver 997 GTS against it.

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13m said:

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c4sman said:

13m said:

Thought it interesting that there were none in the OPC network for ages, then a couple came up at fairly low prices recently and vanished very quickly. If there is a shortage, as there appears to be, why don't OPCs ask more for them?

Guess the OPC may have under priced which is why they sold quickly? Either way, these are no GT3s but holding up well on value which equals cheap motoring so all good if you are buying now or already have one.

Not sure a 997 GTS is something an OPC really spends much time thinking about! They'll pick cars up through trade in's etc but probably not actively looking to stock them like say JZM or RPM might. I bought mine from an OPC in Feb..manual car with all the right spec except buckets seats. I was the first person to enquire about it and I got nearly £2k off the sticker price. I am sure they probably had £5k or more in it but they could definitely have got more for it, I wasn't going to haggle as I knew they'd only just got it in stock, it was well priced and would sell quickly yet unprompted they offered me a deal on it.

Hmmm I'm not so sure. In my experience it is unusual for any car dealer to not try to achieve as much as possible for any car. The only time I have managed to buy under market price (and I've done it a few times) is when a main dealer is short of car sales leading up to a quarter or year end.

I'd have 100% paid asking and based on the spec (high spec except PCCB's and Buckets) and the fact my car is a manual C2 I think it was cheap. It was £3k to £5k less than JZM, RPM and DK have all advertised and sold cars relatively quickly around the same3 time.

Feels to me like there's a two tier market. Specialists paying up for good spec cars and OPC's buying cars as they come across them. My car was traded in against a Golf R to another Sytner group dealer, the OPC I bought from is part of Sytner Group.

Anyway ...it's an utterly fantastic car which I can't ever see me selling. Perfect car for British roads. On B roads and country lanes you just don't need more power, mechanical grip, a stiffer chassis etc etc

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T25UFO said:

Cheib said:

Is your car GT Silver per chance ? I was in the JZM showroom about a month ago looking at the Boxster Spyder's they had in. Said they'd got very close to selling one to a bloke who wanted to trade in a manual GT Silver 997 GTS against it.

No it's Meteor Grey but most likely the same one. JZM were very good, reduced the price of the Spyder to meet my budget, but in the end I just decided to keep the GTS. I was certainly impressed by JZM and would go back there if I was thinking of selling in the future.

The Boxster is a terrific car isn't it! I went in there for a mooch one day as my kids go to school about 10 mins away. Wanted to look at a GT4 as I'd seen one at the PEC a couple of weeks before, came away only having thoughts about the Boxster!

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AOK said:

FYI, a low mileage manual RWD in Basalt black is showing as coming soon at JZM for £69k

That's fully priced...I'll be staggered if that sells quickly. I'll also be happy...

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Porsche911R said:

It's down to miles prices can range fron £40k to £75k just on miles on the GTS now.]
the JZM car IS THE RIGHT GTS spec ie half Alcantara and with the leather dash option, the only spec I would go for and only 13k miles, the real GTS spec.

it's the right spec,the right gearbox, the right owners and 13k miles hence the price.
Add in Bose, xenons, sports crono and heated seats ,, perfect

They don't get any better than that car really.

I think you managed to also bag a great spec car, enjoy it, nothing else comes close in the Porsche range atm.

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 4th July 10:16

All good points. Only car I'd even think about selling mine for is a Boxster Spyder at the moment and even then I am not sure I would.

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Hah. My GTS is a second car and almost never sees a motorway....typical use is for an hour or two at a time on B roads or country lanes. Can't see it being used for European jaunts etc as I have two young kids and my European trips are four up with the ski gear in our X5.

So what you both said in a roundabout way is trade it for a Boxster Spyder! The fact it has extra seats does mean at the margin it gets used a bit more as I can take both kids out in it.

Still can't see me selling it but I really, really like the Spyder.

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sanjoyp said:

Sorry for the hijack but whilst I have some GTS owners looking. I have an option on an OPC 2012 25k 997 C4 PDK GTS Cab, ballpark I should be looking to pay?

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What's the spec ? Does it have Alcnatara, Leather Dash, Bose etc etc

I'd say £60k tops.

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sanjoyp said:

Cheib said:

What's the spec ? Does it have Alcnatara, Leather Dash, Bose etc etc

I'd say £60k tops.

• 19 Inch RS Spyder Wheels With Centre Lock
• Porsche Communication Management (PCM)
• Navigation Module
• Sport Chrono Package Plus
• Side Skirts In Platinum Silver Metallic
• Heated Seats
• Cruise Control
• Park Assist
• Porsche Crest Embossed On Head Restraints
• Silver Grey Seat Belts
• Spoiler Lip Painted
• Illuminated Stainless Steel Outer Door-Sill Guards

Can recall what the dash is, stock photo.

Decent spec, Bose is missing which is a popular option. It's not black or white which in itself makes it a rare car! I reckon more than 50% are in those colours....

The car has the plastic dash which some people don't like, the leather dash definitely lifts the interior and you also get a bit more alcantara with it (glove box). Photo of my car's interior below which does have it.



Maybe I am being harsh with £60k tops but it's not a £65k car even at an OPC. You can always get an official Porsche warranty but would have to pay for it. It's not a spec of car you should have to pay up for. Trade bid would be mid £50k's absolute max, an OPC would not pay much over book for that car.

Edited by Cheib on Thursday 7th July 12:41

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andyc11 said:

Just seen a thread on PCGB, owner selling his 20k mile coupe, manual, rear seat delete, sports chassis with PCCBs for £57k. OPC offered him £55.5k so no offers. If anyone interested and can't get on the PCGB thread let me know.

That is a really good value car...also has an OPC warranty until next year.

I'll be staggered if someone doesn't buy that. I'd be all over that like a cheap suit.

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JZM have sold the manual coupe they had in stock!

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Hobo said:

Notice a couple more 997gts up at Hexagon with asking prices of 75k & 73k.

At this rate they be worth more than the 991 equivalent in a few months ....

The manual cab that is up at £75k is the one I started this thread about. Sure it's a very rare car being a manual cab but it's actually got a pretty poor spec. The dreaded plastic dash!

On the subject of the plastic dash you never, ever see the leather dash listed as an optional extra (when present) and it certainly wasn't listed as one in the spec of my car.

Did it become a standard fit at some stage in the GTS's life?

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Jibaro said:

Does the plastic dash really make much difference, I don't think that it is enough of a reason to reject a used car, after all they're about 5 years old now so a buyer has to accept a bit of compromise? It's not like the type of gearbox or colour, or choice between cab or coupe. For me, if I found two similar cars of the basic type that I want, and one was GT silver with plastic dash, the other was white with leather dash, it would be the plastic dash car that I'd be more interested in because personally I would prefer a GT silver car, and I don't think the plastic dash looks too bad.

(PS I want cheibs car at the price cheib paid )

Agree I'd rather have a GT Silver car all day long!

And yes I was very lucky. Just caught it when I was stuck in a hotel room on a business trip, before it hot PH or Autotrader.

On the GT4/GTS I imagine the GT4 is a considerably more hardcore drive? I rarely use the sport dampers as our country lanes don't need anything firmer than the normal setting. Superb car but maybe too hardcore for me.

It's also probably at least a £25k cost to change for me, I doubt trade bids are £60k yet. Witness the car on the PCGB Forum with a £55.5 k from an OPC.

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T25UFO said:

crystalmethod said:

I don't think so. I bought an one of the last ones, and chose from two un-registered ones in different OPCs. One had plastic, and the other had leather, so am guessing it remained an option until the end.

I had exactly the same options when buying mine - a choice of new unregistered cars, with full leather or without. Made my choice based on colour (boring meteor grey, but it still looks nice) and gearbox (manual short shift). Would have bought the car with or without full leather (it came with). I'm surprised at the upward movement in prices and question whether this is just another round of Porsche speculation, which won't last. Having said that, the 997 GTS is still a bargain when compared to a similarly specced 991, particularly if you want to stay with manual.

Interesting. I wonder why dealers never quote it in the spec then.

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The rear seats are one of the reasons why I have mine...with 5 and 7 year old kids we can actually travel as a family so I get to use it more.

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These people know what they're talking about!

http://www.ferdinandmagazine.com/forget-buying-por...

Last paragraph

"I would love to try a 911R with this six-speed transmission: no doubt the six-speed manual gearbox is huge fun in a 997 Carrera GTS and the seven-speeder is not great in a 991. By ignoring 991s and looking at Gen II 997 Carrera GTS instead, you really do not have to spend a fortune to buy the most enjoyable and guilt-free driver’s 911 of the VW-Porsche era."

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Jibaro said:

FredBasset said:

Phew, thank heavens for that. I was getting thoroughly depressed with my plastic dash in my four wheel drive Coupe GTS and wondering if I should start hanging my head in shame when out in public.

Of course then you drive the thing and its so much fun. Not saying a rear drive wouldn't be better but its hardly a rubbish car is it despite what some on here seem to think.

I couldn't help noticing the 991.2 GT3 test car spy shots show that it has a plastic dash, looks alright.

Most GT3's do I think, certainly 997's. People spend the money elsewhere which is totally understandable.

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chrisABP said:

And with the silly prices for the 997.2 GT3 (my ideal car) and the 991 GT3 where do the 997.2 GTS owners go next without spending another £40-£50k???

I think the obvious (ish) place to go would be the Boxster Spyder... manual box, n/a flat six, much superior soundtrack and also the open air motoring if that is what you like. I'd imagine the drive in terms of chassis is relatively similar. Two seater is an issue for many (including me) though.

The other place you can go is the 997.1 GT3 I suppose.