Which 996?

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Dammit

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Monday 19th September 2016
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I just made an offer on a 1999 manual coupe - the chap turned me down, so I'm looking again.

Full disclosure is that I'd secretly love a Targa but "the Internet" tells me that they are a blancmange - are they noticeably more bendy than the Coupe?


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Monday 19th September 2016
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From a quick rifle through the classifieds here and Autotrader two jump out - £18,500 for a 53,000 mile Targa and £13,999 for a 106,000 mile example of the same car.

Both look pretty tidy, both have a full service history - which would you test drive on the weekend if you could only drive one?

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Monday 19th September 2016
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The car I made an offer on today was a 1999 manual 2wd coupe in Lapis blue, sports seats, sports exhaust, 64,000 miles but unfortunately no stamp in the service book since 2012, and a further four year gap in the history before that. I offered £14,500 contingent on a full (including bore-scope) report from Parr's, but he knocked me straight back.

That's the type of car I am looking for, but as I said - Targa has always been a guilty desire. But not if they are rubbish! I've not driven a Targa.

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Monday 19th September 2016
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I'd buy that tomorrow if it was a manual

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Monday 19th September 2016
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I've driven the coupe, I liked it - I'm concerned that a convertible or convertible variant such as the Targa would flex a lot and, much as you say the Tip ruins a fine gerabox I worry that the flex would ruin a fine chassis.

Or I could simply be parroting Car Magazine "wisdom", and the Targa and/or convertible is actually more fun than a barrel of monkeys.

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Tuesday 20th September 2016
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Jimmy P - not quite - the service history looks like this:
8,384, 2000, AFN
15,482, 2001, AFN
23,854, 2002, AFN
30,000, 2003, Porsche West London
Four year gap
36,059, 2007, Porsche Colchester
38,486, 2008, Addspeed
44,120, 2009, Coverdale Mercedes
48,812, 2010, "Porsche Specialist"
54,100, 2012, Mortimors

It's on 64,000 miles today.

According to the owner (a nice chap who I have no reason to doubt) he got an oil change in 2014, but he didn't get the book stamped.

Of course, that might also be what happened between 2003 - 2007, but it's a bit of a concern.

Based on that, and that it needed four new tyres, I thought my offer of £14,500 (contingent on Parr's full inspection) was fair.

Edited by Dammit on Tuesday 20th September 10:31

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Tuesday 20th September 2016
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He said that he'd had an offer of £14,500 without the inspection aspect from someone else, and he'd turned that down as well.

I'd want to be able to negotiate on things such as "needs front and rear discs and pads", but I can understand why he wants to move it for a fixed figure.

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Tuesday 20th September 2016
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Magic919 said:
Unless you've driven a lot of 996 coupes, I suspect the Targa would feel fine. Nobody complains of chassis flex. Some complain the roof is noisy over bumps, leaks water or fails to operate correctly.

I think the rear window opens, so easier to drop a road bike in. You can get them in a coupe, but not as simple.
Just coming back to this - have you succeeded in putting a road bike in the back of a coupe, and if so what size frame?

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Tuesday 20th September 2016
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Front wheel off, rear wheel on?

I'm almost sold on the Targa simply due to the rear hatch, if I can genuinely chuck the bike in the back.

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Tuesday 20th September 2016
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Well, I just missed a manual Targa with 40k on the clock- £17,500 took it away.

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Tuesday 20th September 2016
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Yes it does, am I good enough to notice the impact this has on its dynamics? That's a different question.

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Wednesday 21st September 2016
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Here's where I am now: I realised that I'd set a specific target in my head which was an amber-indicator 3.4, manual coupe with low miles in dark blue with a tan interior.

The problem is that I'd likely then treat it as a classic and pootle round in it.

So I'm now evaluating mid-mileage 996.2 manual coupe's as there's a lot more of them, they're cheaper, and I'd feel much more comfortable about using it on the track every other weekend.

The one I am currently looking at is £14,000, manual coupe with sports seats, and earlier this year had a clutch/IMS/RMS. It's on 90,000 miles, and is dark blue with a grey interior. All work was done by Autofarm, and they've looked after it for the last three years. Confirmation to come, but it's either 2002 or 2003.

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Wednesday 21st September 2016
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I just spent lunchtime driving round Regents park in an early 996 convertible - amber indicator car.

Now of course we didn't reach the outer limits of the chassis at 25mph round the park, but there were no squeaks or rattles, and critically you can't see the back end when you're driving it.

I might get this as my first foray into Porsche ownership.

Can anyone recommend a Porsche specialist to check the car over who is in or near London?

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Wednesday 21st September 2016
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I don't want to knock the chap back on the price - I think it's very fair, I just want to understand whether there's something horrifying lurking that means I should walk away.

So the question is who would be a good choice for a pre-purchase inspection in London/near London?

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Wednesday 21st September 2016
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Kensington Autocare for a PPI? Anyone know if they are knowledgeable when it comes to the 996?

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Thursday 22nd September 2016
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Ok, the car is going into Kensington Autocare today - I did a bit of checking and they seem to know their onions.



It's on 61,000 miles now, and the original owner ticked a few options boxes on the order form:

C26 South African market vehicle
139 Seat heating, left
340 Seat heating, right
197 Stronger battery
220 LSD
222 Traction control ASR AntriebsSchlupfRegelung
224 Traction control ABD Automatic Braking Differential
288 Headlamp washer
326 Cassette-radio Becker Porsche CR-21 ROW
375 Two way electical sports seat, left
376 Two way electical sports seat, right
421 Front cassette compartment
426 Three spoke steering wheel
441 Radio preparation
446 Wheel caps with coloured Porsche crest
454 Automatic speed control
490 Sound system, MY2002-> Sound system Harmann analog
551 Wind deflector
563 Side airbags
567 Top tinted windscreen
573 Automatic air conditioning
692 6-disc CD changer Becker Porsche CDC-3
936 Leather rear seats
981 Leather dashboard and door panels
983 leather front seats

As long as the inspection gives it a clean bill of health I hope to finish the paperwork and transfer the money tomorrow.

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Thursday 22nd September 2016
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Hah - small world, the service history had a few gaps but your big service in 2015 went a long way to answer my concerns on that.

Is it common for Cyprus cars to have a South African build code?

Could you give me your impressions of the car?

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Thursday 22nd September 2016
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I'm afraid I can't work out how to PM you so I have (theoretically) emailed you instead.

Dammit

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Thursday 22nd September 2016
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A little puzzled by the mix of options on the car - it's got ASR and ABD (both parts of what I think came to be called PSM), as well as an LSD - in my admittedly very small store of knowledge I thought that it was generally an either or, not both an electronic and a mechanical traction control system?

Happy to be told that I'm dead wrong.

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Friday 23rd September 2016
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Who/where's the best Porsche Specialist if starting from SE23/South East London?

Had the results of the pre-purchase inspection back and it's a fairly troubling figure.