Buying used 991.1 Turbo S-advice please

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Hi

I'm hoping to scratch my long standing Porsche itch this year and am looking at a 991.1 TS. This will be my first Porsche and the plan is to keep for a good few years.

I have a number of questions, most of them are quite boring I'm afraid but as this will be by far the most I've ever spent on a car I need to get the details right. So here goes


1) Rear wiper. As this is a no cost option as opposed to standard many owners seem not to have specced it. Whenever I've had a saloon without a rear wiper ie 5 series BMW I've found it annoying. Rain water does collect on it and affect rear visibility.
My current car, an estate, does have one and I use it all the time. Sometimes I'll get in the car and find the rear window is covered in grime and I'll use the wiper to clean it off.

Googling the issue seems to show that many Porsche owners feel a rear wiper is not needed as the angle of the screen means that water never settles on it.

2) Interior colour and resale. Personally I'd prefer a black or grey interior but have found a car that ticks most of my boxes but has a two tone RED interior, exterior colour Rhodium Silver.

I might be able to live with the interior colour myself but am a little worried about a two tone red interior come resale time.

The depreciation on this car will be pretty nasty as it is and I don't want to make it worse. Will a two tone red interior hurt come resale time?


3)Price negotiation with OPC. I know OPCs are notoriously difficult when it comes to price negotiations but I do like to haggle lol.
If they won't budge on price are there other things I can try and ask for? For example the next service for free or some body part painting ie side skirts painted?


Any thoughts appreciated, thanks very much.

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Porsche911R said:

Are you looking at the leicester car by any chance.

rear wiper is just a looks thing,but is handy, get up In the morning and you cannot see out the rear screen though.
it's not a rain issue more a condensation issue, early morning, if you garage the car then you won't have this problem.

black is always a safe bet inside, red is a risky sell, always has been and limits the market, you might not get less, but it might take 4x longer to sell waiting for a buyer, so hence you drop the price anyway. I hate red inside cars so a no no from me, and the Lei car, if it is that car was going to buy all black in side on his next one. I know the owner.

there is def a haggle in that car its been for sale a while and prob a bigger haggle than you might expect.

Hi, thanks for replying.

Yes, it is the Leicester car. I ignored it at first because of the red interior but have started to consider it as it has quite a lot of the other spec that is essential to me ie reversing camera.

My car isn't garaged over night or whilst at work so I don't really want to have my rear visibility compromised like that, especially in a car with such a massive backside!

As pedantic as it sounds that means a rear wiper is on the essential want list as well then. That then excludes the Leicester car even if I could live with the red interior.

It's making finding the right car quite difficult as I want

1) One owner vehicle

2) Preferably Rhodium silver with black or grey interior

3) Reversing camera

4) Rear wiper!

5) Bose system or above would be nice

And I'm quite price sensitive as well!

Cheers

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andy355 said:

Looks great to me but then I have had 4 cars in silver/red
Whilst bright it's much cheerier

Thanks Andy

I must say imho the red interior seems to suit some cars better ie I think it looks good in a Boxster and the dark red you get in M3s looks good as well. I'm on the fence about red in a 911......

I appreciate your input, thanks

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Having had another look it seems like hardly anybody specs the rear wiper on these cars. Looks like I'll just have to accept that I'm very unlikely to find one that has one....

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Thanks guys, very helpful.

Andy and Lowndes, some wonderful cars you own/have owned!

Looking again at the OPC used stock list there a quite a few cars with a two tone red interior. That must mean its not one of those way out there choices that will put the majority of buyers off.

I'll forget about the rear wiper.

The comment about the glass roof is interesting but I think most are specced with it so as a second hand buyer I may not have a choice in the matter.

Any thoughts on the power steering plus option? The Leicester car has it.

Thanks again

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Porsche911R said:

Are you looking at the leicester car by any chance.

rear wiper is just a looks thing,but is handy, get up In the morning and you cannot see out the rear screen though.
it's not a rain issue more a condensation issue, early morning, if you garage the car then you won't have this problem.

black is always a safe bet inside, red is a risky sell, always has been and limits the market, you might not get less, but it might take 4x longer to sell waiting for a buyer, so hence you drop the price anyway. I hate red inside cars so a no no from me, and the Lei car, if it is that car was going to buy all black in side on his next one. I know the owner.

there is def a haggle in that car its been for sale a while and prob a bigger haggle than you might expect.

Well that's annoying. After pondering about the lack of rear wiper and red interior I decided that I could live with these compromises.

I rang the dealer to double check the spec and start the ball rolling and it turns out it's actually a two owner car rather than one owner as advertised on the website.

I really wanted a one owner vehicle so I'm back to square one for now!

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GT3cs said:

Any reason why ? 1 bad owner worse than 2 good ones . 1st owner may have just been dealer . I would at least investigate what the dealer knows of the history I.e did they sell it new etc . I've just sold my Spyder that's now onto its 3rd owner in 3 months . There's nothing wrong with the car . In my case I just regularly change my car every few months .

I've just always had this thing in my mind that the less previous keepers there are the more value I'll see back when I come to sell. Am I wrong?

So lets say in two years time my car is up for sale and there's another of similar spec and mileage that has one owner as opposed to my three. Won't prospective buyers be drawn to the one owner vehicle? Doesn't it then follow that to sell mine I'll have to lower the price to tempt people away from the one owner vehicle?

I'd be happy to be told I'm wrong as it makes my search easier.

Thanks very much

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On a different note....do Porsche Turbo drivers out there have any issues getting their car through those width restriction bollards we sometimes see on UK roads?

There are a couple on some routes I use quite regularly and am wondering whether a car as wide as the 991 Turbo will squeeze through!

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Thanks, that's very useful. I won't get so hung up about the number of previous owners then.

Anybody able to comment on my other question regarding getting the 991 Turbo body through the width restrictions we sometimes see in the UK?


Thanks very much.

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AL001 said:

No issues anywhere with width/entry. Not sure it's any wider than most modern big saloons really.

On spec, the Turbo S is well equipped as standard. It's more trying to find one without some irrelevant things added - sunroof, rear window wipe, power steering plus, etc but that's just my personal preferences. I managed to avoid the sunroof and psp but got the rear wipe, hey ho. Burmester stereo was nice extra though. Difficult to get everything you may want but colour is difficult to ignore so that may be the starting point with miles/price/condition. Plenty around so take your time to find the right one for you and better deals during quiet months of December/January anyway. Good luck.

Thanks.

Funny that as I'm quite keen to have one with the rear wiper! I've been told that the power steering plus can be 'switched off' as its a software tweak only.

I agree about the December/Jan months, that's why I'm trying my hardest to find the right car within the next couple of months. With nothing to px I'm hoping that in these months I'll have the best chance of getting a good deal.

Thanks again.

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Thanks, not so hung up on the number of owners now.

There are quite a few approved cars out there but a significant proportion are 2016 cars and so out of budget. And to be honest I actually prefer a car that's 1-2 years old so that I'm sharing some of the depreciation with somebody else

The search continues...

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Taffy66 said:

When i was a kid in the 70's the Porsche poster which adorned my bedroom wall had a black 991 turbo in it which in my view is one of THE iconic Porsches.The one i testdrove back in 2002 was a black 996 turbo and i was smitten.My point is imo i would seek out a black one or as a second more practical colour GT silver.
Pretty much everything is standard on the turbo S but one word of caution on a moderate mileage one is to have a test done on the Pccb's as a 560hp 1600kg car puts exponentially more heat on them than my 385hp 1340kg GT4.
I personally if spending circa 120k would try and make a deal with an OPC on a brand new 540hp non S turbo(lightly optioned) which is just as fast as a 991.1 ts but with total peace of mind and personal spec.

Black has always been my go to colour for cars, in fact my current and previous three cars were in this colour. However I think black hides some of the gorgeous lines and bulges of the 991 turbo whereas silver and white really show them off. To my eyes white can look a bit boring after a while and so silver is at the top of the list.

But we do all revert to type so I wouldn't be surprised if I end up with a black car after all lol

In terms of speccing a new non S turbo I don't think that really makes sense. After adding the bare minimum options I would like the price is coming to £134k, and that's without PDCC or ceramics or any nice little interior touches like illuminated sill guards etc.

Then there is the issue of new car depreciation. As boring as this subject is to many people I'm afraid that to me it's important.

And lastly, and probably most importantly, I really want the S model.

I think if I play my cards right I can pick up a 2015 S model from an OPC with a decent number of options for £120k. So I get the top model with more options, a little more power, a slightly better depreciation curve and less waiting time for less money. To me that seems like a no brainer as I'm not the sort of person that absolutely has to have a brand new car.

Thanks for your comments regarding the PCCBs. What exactly am I looking for or what test should be done? Its fairly certain I'll be buying from an OPC so I'm hoping that provides some safe guards but I may be wrong!

Thanks again

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MDL111 said:

re depreciation - you could order a LHD Turbo S and probably sell it after a year into Germany without a loss thx the FX rate and generally low new prices in the UK ....

Hi

No interest in driving a LHD car. I pay some attention to depreciation but am not obsessed by it, if I were I wouldn't be buying a car like this.

What I'm trying to say is that I'm happy to have an 18 month old car where some of the initial hit has already been taken by somebody else.

We're all different in this regard I suppose.

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Damn, three cars gone from the OPC used site today, two of those cars were on my shortlist. I can't see them replenishing stock prior to Christmas so looking unlikely I'll have one on my drive this year.

I should have pulled my finger out.

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Thanks for all the advice. I've finally bought one!

Agate Grey with luxor beige two tone interior

Burmeister sound

Digital radio

Reversing camera

Telephone module

Voice control

Sunroof

Rear wiper!

Light design package

Seat backs in leather

Can't wait to pick her up!!

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Sorry, some pics at the OPC. I originally wanted Rhodium silver with black or black and red interior so I've ended up with something very different.

It looks less mean/aggressive with this combo and instead looks very luxurious/sophisticated. Anyway, I like it!

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Thanks very much for the kind comments.

Yes, the colour combo really can change the character of the car more than I would have imagined. In black or white with a black or red interior it looks far more aggressive. In the combo I've bought it gives the impression of a luxurious GT. I must say that's not the look I was originally going for but actually it probably suits my job and personality better.

The car has a leather finish on the front seat backs. This worries me a little as I'll often have my two boys getting into the back so I can see it getting marked/damaged.

Anybody have any clever ideas about what I could use to protect the seat backs without spoiling the look of the car?

Thanks very much

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Callughan said:

Congrats, were you able to get the deal you wanted?

Tbh the dealer played hard ball when it came to negotiations so I didn't get much off the listed price. I wanted some aftermarket stuff added and he didn't give me much discount on those either. Even when I played hard to get and didn't contact them for a week they didn't give way!

However I think the car was already fairly priced and more importantly the dealer has been excellent. All calls and emails answered, all queries dealt with quickly and he's been ringing me daily with an update as the car is being prepped.

They've definitely made me feel as though my business matters to them and my whole experience with them from my very first phone call has been very positive.

It's just a shame that they're not my local dealer!

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OldBob said:

Quadruple Amputation?


Car looks nice with that combo - very classy looking

That's an idea, I wouldn't have to stand in the cold watching them play football then either...lol

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Paddy_N_Murphy said:

I agree with many here - that looks lovely and a proper DD, and GT express. Schnell Schnell !
It'll go like the bloody clappers, and yet not shout it out at all.

A brave and sensible choice compared to many of the more gregarious obvious colour combos IMHO

Thanks Paddy.