£20k options on a 2.7 981 WTF

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is it just me, or does this seem insane to spend that kind of money optioning out a 2.7. Also with 9k on the clock seems steep if the list was circa £60k! or are residuals that strong for the 981??

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

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I agree looks the business, but seriously £58k with 9k miles on it. Wonder if someone is taking the Pi$$ or prices are really holding with the pending pot4s on the horizon. Seems very steep!

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mollytherocker said:

I guess its up to the individual, but its no more insane than any other luxury purchase. Its obvious what the buyers priorities were and it would seem that he/she soon got bored with it?

Who knows, what I do know is that 58k for that today is probably insane.

yeah but £40k as base is hardly a luxury purchase in my book. Its only £10k more than a well optioned family saloon. When you shove £20k options it, yes it enters bracket I guess but thats like 50% of the car again. Madness.

Should have got an S or a GTS with PTS imo if you wanted to spend that sort of money.

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anonymous said:

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Maybe to the untrained eye. But to a lover of caymans I can tell them apart in a second. Is it worth having the S? Well that depends on the reason it was purchased. Just find it very odd to spec 50% of the cars value in options and then move it one 1 year later.

If someone pays £58k for it I will be truely blown away.

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kingston12 said:

mollytherocker said:

£40k on a car is a luxury purchase as far as I concerned. Nobody needs more than a secondhand 10k Focus.

But then, it depends where you are coming from.

Yep, for most people any new car is a luxury purchase, let alone a 2 seater roadster that costs more than the national average salary before you start sticking options on it!

It is pocket money for a lot of people though...

I understand this. I guess my point was if you are going to spend £60k on a brand new car, there is alot of choice out there and imo better value for money than optioning out £20k on a 2.7k. For example if you wanted a performance roadster BGTS or CGTS or F-type... Or if its something to look nice in, why not the Alfa 4c, hardcore lotus....chap must of loved the zingy 2.7k

Either way, stunning car.

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anonymous said:

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Guess he/she missed that box on the configuration pmsl

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so what do we think was the most pointless option out of the lot...?

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anonymous said:

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hahah fair to say you won't be buying a 981 then in the future...? even when they are £20-30k? and you can have you pick of 20" rims on 2.7s

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Ozzie Osmond said:

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What's the problem. Nowhere for the pipe and slippers?

981 is an absolutely astounding car which I suspect is going to make its way into the history books as one of the all-time great real world sportscars. The chassis is sublime, the engine loves to rev and the interior is bang up to date. Value for money is astounding if you stay sensible in the options list.

I agree. Especially if it becomes last of the na flat 6s. I suspect will be remembered as one of the greats and no doubt the GT4 and Spyder will be highly desirable classics for years to come as a result.

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anonymous said:

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Not sure what/if the F4 being faster has anything to do with this. Increased performance does not makes something more likely to be a classic unless its breaking boundaries that set it in a class of its own. The 981.1 will not do this.

History has proven that a segue in technology is more likely to define a classic, accompanied by cars that appear timeless in their looks or have enthusiast appeal. The 981 certainly ticks these boxes and the 2.7 example we started this thread with is a good example of a beautiful car in many people’s eyes. You only have to look at the F-type. Classic written all over it. Even with its farting exhaust you don’t like. That is a certain fact imo.

As for not being allowed to think the 981.1 is a step backwards. It’s a free world have an opinion and don’t be afraid to vocalise it in the right way. Nobody can tell you how you feel. And I’m not sure why you would feel intimidated if people labelled you a Luddite. There are plenty of people how resist change until its forced on them. But eventually the market dictates not individual owner opinion.

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bcr5784 said:

Trotmant said:

Not sure what/if the F4 being faster has anything to do with this. Increased performance does not makes something more likely to be a classic unless its breaking boundaries that set it in a class of its own. The 981.1 will not do this.

I'd like to think that breaking boundaries in a good way was the defining criteria - but I think, far too often it's (like cars in general it must be said) more about looks, image and, especially, scarcity.

Take a couple of (non-Porsche) examples. Dino 246 - Perhaps the fastest (percentage-wise) appreciating classic around. It genuinely is a boundary breaking car - Ferraris move to mid market mid engined cars. But you could say the same about the 914 Porsche - except that a 914 is only worth a tiny fraction of the value of a 246. Why? Because the 914 is ugly and 246 is anything but, and because the 246 is a rustbox there are hardly any left, so it's very rare.

E-Type vs Elan. Both were actually quite ground- breaking in different ways. So why is a Mk1 E worth about 8 times the price of an Elan (but a 2+2 or V12 far far less). Scarcity and looks again (perhaps some still believe a 3.8 or 4.2 will get even close to 150mph). And, if you've driven them, you would know that actually an Elan is dynamically in a different league, and accelerates as fast despite having less than half the capacity.

And why a car owned by Paul Newman should be worth far more an identical one owned by John Doe, or some unperforated stamps should be worth a small fortune I leave you to figure.

There will always be exceptions to the rule. Where inferior products become the dominant or desired. only have to look at the vhs vs betamax saga. No industry is exempt to this. But as a rule of thumb for cars i would say provided there is a step change in the technology and the looks are suited to timeless, its a got a higher chance than most. Look at lancia stratos falls apart. Still and always will be an icon because of the technology i.e. the fezza v6 and its look. Imo the 981 will be the prettiest cayman model for some time. Only have to look at the spy shots of the new 991.2 with turbos. IMO they just look awful and the cay/box will no doubt follow suite.

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anonymous said:

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Why haven't you mentioned its had an engine rebuild for bore scoring? thought this would have been a huge plus for a buyer.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

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anonymous said:

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I think your reasons are sound. I think it properly says more about the prospect market that buyers are not even willing to research the risk and understand the huge upside of this. Odd. Which personally I think is crackers given £20k for most people is not a small sum of money. You think people would do their home work. For anyone reading this. Buy something thats been repaired. Otherwise you waiting for the ticking time bomb. As you know, could I wind the clock back, I would go for something exactly like yours. I didn't went for something that hadn't and £10k later you find out the former option was probably better.

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Even for £15k how much more of a risk is it to other performance cars I wonder? All I know was the MG's I used to have, their VVC's just went pop every five min. The amount of fun I had from my gen1 was priceless. Yes a bitter taste when it went pop, but luckily I had a warranty too (for the first episode). Still look back with fond memories even compared to the 981. There different animals, but both exceptional. It was one hell of a car of the money back then (<£30k). So now for half that again – YOLO I would be thinking if I was 5 years younger again.

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Well this was always going to happen...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

Only another £10k to go...

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ORD said:

Trotmant said:

There will always be exceptions to the rule.

I expect late 987.2s to be worth at least as much as 981s once they stop depreciating heavily.

The buyer that is interested in a flat 6 NA engine will also probably want hydraulic steering. Also unlikely to care about incremental improvements in chassis rigidity (pointless), etc.

Agree - wonder how long before the R and Sypder are from stratospheric pricing.... 5-7years?

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Yeah the prospect of a F4 and the fake noise having to be pumped in the cabin is a massive no for me. I read online the Cayman s will only have 300bhp and the gts gets an increase of 30hp. If this ends up being true, they really are becoming be golfs in skirts. At least make the thing faster if your going to put a blower on it. Upside being I bet the mod market is licking its lips. Could have quite a bit of fun running the blower

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bcr5784 said:

Trotmant said:

Yeah the prospect of a F4 and the fake noise having to be pumped in the cabin is a massive no for me. I read online the Cayman s will only have 300bhp and the gts gets an increase of 30hp. If this ends up being true, they really are becoming be golfs in skirts. At least make the thing faster if your going to put a blower on it. Upside being I bet the mod market is licking its lips. Could have quite a bit of fun running the blower

While Porsches have never really been about 0-60 times, I'm afraid that if the power figures are true you are going to have the rather unedifying prospect of journalists doing track battles with 981.2 vs hot hatches and the 981s losing. I've just seen one of a Civic type R beating an M3....

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franki68 said:

My wife's 981 boxster has just under 20k of options on it ,I paid about £1500 more for it than for a similar year/mileage car with 5k of options on it.
I would like to thank the original buyer for taking that hit for us.

now thats the best way to own a 20k optioned car.