Admission of negligence

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Had a blow out on the motorway yesterday only a MONTH after the OP dealer fitted 4 new michelins to my Cayman S......

Recovery guy advised me the 4 wheel alignment was not done. This caused the rear tyres to fray down to the wire only on the inside.... resulting in a chasm in the one that went!!!

OP dealer that it was recovered into confirmed this and advised the other tyre was "days away" from a blow out!!!

I await Porsche head office comments. But I have the AA report, images, OP centre's written confirmation & images PLUS the original OP centre who supplied the tyres covering ALL costs of this repair!!!!

I would like think I have a reasonable case for legal action here with an admission of liability?

Imagine if both went at the same time and I span into a truck or something..... or if I was on the track doing 150mph+ and both went!!! My lord!!!!

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They are simply dirty. If you look at the tread gauge its virtually untouched! they were only fitted a month ago as said and done a few hundred miles. Car was fully serviced and warranted in may too.

Dealer has already admitted the wheel alignment, balancing and geometry was not carried out correctly.

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Heres what dealer took with cleaned up a bit

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If people cannot see those tyres on the outside are brand new.... as they are. And on the inside are a mess. Then maybe I'm not posting in the right place haha!

There was no other work required. It was simply in to have 4 tyres replaced. The service had been passed with no issues. Also warranty put back on after 111 point check.

The liability is not in dispute as both tyres being replaced at full cost to the dealer. I imagine a simple "we don't know whats happened in the month between now and then" is an easy cop out and they haven't said that.

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Evolved said:

They still don't look like month old tyres even with the odd wear, the outer edges look like they've done 1000's of miles.

Something isn't adding up here, confused.

To me, a layman, they look new on the outside. As they did to the naked eye. As they are. After an accident I can understand they are dirty in my pictures. But dealer ones showed them better.

AA guy AND Porsche engineer have confirmed the "issue."

I feel like I'm being accused of trying to dibble something here haaha!

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GaryF said:

As already noted, when just fitting new tyres, I've never had to have a wheel alignment done. If the previous set were borked with evident uneven wear, then yes, a full alignment should also have been done as well.

No major harm done thankfully for you.

No mate.

The computer advised the PSM was not working which made me slow down.... then the shuddering started and i veered into hard shoulder to a stop.

Apparently they now need to also put in new rear suspension adjustment bolts too.

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Evolved said:

Not accusing you of anything, but something isn't adding up and the AA man sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about.

So ONLY the tread on inside of the rear tyres was out. The AA guy advised it was no tracked correctly. Porsche have CONFIRMED this. But they are all wrong?

What do you think is the issue?

I saw the tyres and they were brand new or "new." Tread was fine.

And since they have been fitted I have done hundred of miles.... not thousands.

Also I don't do "burn outs" or track the car. It is well looked after and its whole history is through dealers for everything.

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Spoof said:

You either do burnouts everywhere, or those michelins weren't as new as you were told.

I did 6000 miles this year in the GT2 and only managed to get down to 4mm on the rear PS2s.

Dont do burnouts.

And the tyres looked pretty new to me.

Fronts look immaculate still.

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Magic919 said:

Can't see them admitting any liability or really see the need for it.

As per my initial post.... they have.

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steve2 said:

Looks like you had a lucky escape thankfully, in your opening post you do mention that if you were doing 150mph on the track it may have been a different outcome though in your last post you say you do not track the car ?
It is a timely reminder to check our tyres regularly, good luck with your claim.

I was talking figuratively..... IF i tracked the car. As a Porsche owner.... the risk of that is higher. So shoddy workmanship could have worse consequences?

I dont post on here a lot.... and this thread is making me see why haha!!!

I was simply sharing an experience and it seems like an interrogation!

Oh well.... no harm no foul

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Blackpuddin said:

There are some peculiar posts on this thread, OP has set out the situation pretty clearly on more than one occasion but folks seem determined to ignore him

Haha someone who digested the post.

Thanks.

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SFO said:

you haven't really suffered any huge loss or damage, apart from needing some new tyres and some alignment, and may be for your time wasted dealing with this ...

Is that how negligence cases work? I don't know.

Im waiting legal advice and Porsche head office.

I would think that the potential fatal risk could result in a court case?

That being said yes Im thankful I didn't spin into a lorry and smash my car up and end up in A&E. And yes Im also thankful all costs being covered

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sidicks said:

"Where there's blame, there's a claim..."

Haha true.

A friend of mine who is a mechanic and builds sports cars has thrown in that maybe its a tyre issue and they just fell apart. With Porsche admitting it was not tracked right.... I couldn't see Michelin swallowing that accusation haha!

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chriscoates81 said:

Have you actually measured the tread depth at the outside of the tyre to confirm its ~8mm?

Not to repeat myself.

The tyres are all a month old.

The tyre pressures have recently been checked.

The tyre blew out - and I was advised by AA & Porsche it was a tracking issue. Porsche have covered cost.... that and a phone call & email from the Manager confirming tracking issue confirms some sort of liability?

Surely if the whole tyre surface was worn down etc they would have not done that. They would have pushed the blame to me.

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sidicks said:

I'm just amazed that if the tyres have genuinely worn as much as shown, and so inconsistently, you wouldn't have noticed a problem when driving!

What sort of problems?

I don't really push it hard.

And no nothing major. Maybe when its all sorted and its back to normal i will be like.... WTF. But its not like anythings stood out.

A friend has suggested delaminated?

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Oso said:

Careful matey any question of negligence would have to look at why you did not inspect the condition of the tyres before you started the journey. There is an obligation on the driver to verify his vehicle is in a road worthy condition. Given the problem as you describe it, the accelerated tyre wear would have occurred over the month and you should have spotted it before the blow-out - ideally by inspecting the tyre or by noticing an issue with the handling. Clearly there was a problem with the work that was done and whoever did the work has their blame to take. You have my sympathy and that of most folks on here by the looks of things - please don't shoot the messenger - just wouldn't want you getting yourself in trouble by forcing the issue.

Thanks mate appreciate your comments.

I am taking legal advice and am yet to hear Porsche head office thoughts.

I take your point, but to me thats a huge cop out if they followed that line because how often do people fully inspect their vehicles before journies? Last thing i would expect on a month old set of tyres is them to be capable of killing me!!! But if Im given that from porsche or solicitors Ill be sure to let you say i told you so haha!