Cayman R Chat

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Don't know if anybody else has noticed this but on the Porsche AUC website there are only 4 Cayman Rs available - all 'wrong' spec and selling for up to £48k!

Is this the impact of the new 4cyl Cayman and Boxsters? If so, great!

Went out in mine today for a quick blast - what a wonderful machine. It will need some new boots soon, I'm thinking MPSC 2 would be just what the doctor ordered.

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Twinfan said:

Could well be.

How are Spyders holding up?

There are only 2 but the new Spyder is very similar to the old one, whereas, there's nothing quite like the R. GT4 is essentially very different as its a Motorsport product - GTS is similar but not quite the same.

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ian964 said:

boxsey said:

If you mean the one in Lincoln, it does indeed look good and the right spec for me. However, I think it's a little over-priced and am wondering why it's already on its fifth owner?

If you can live with the red interior, the black one at Targa Florio is good value - full spec (PCM, PSE, PCCB, xenons, carbon buckets, Sports chrono, climate, spyder wheels, 21K miles) for 42K. Just that interior...!

Agreed but why are the seats in such shocking condition? Mine is that age, and the leather is a little shiny on the driver's side but is otherwise as new - that Targa Florio car's leather looks like it's aged about an extra 10 years?

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23AJK said:

Buy a Cayman GTS, the CR was a great car but that's progress for you.

Shiny new'ish GTS for £55-60k or 5yr old 5 owner CR for nearly £50k. Hmmmm

And before I get jumped on yes I had a manual CR in 2012 for 6000 miles, loved it but not as much as the Spyder PDK that precluded it.

The CR is a great car. I tried the new GTS on track and I did like it but it's not worth a premium over the R IMHO. The steering is nowhere near as good and the exhaust noise is fun for about 10 mins and then overly contrived and annoying. Handling is good on both but all aspects of the R are honest - passive sports suspension, hydraulic PAS, proper handbrake = better driver's car

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Fizzbomb said:

One of the best cars Porsche had made, at one point I ended up with 6 of them, all at the same time.

I love my car but why did you feel that 6 was the appropriate number to own?

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Dan911 said:

ZP said:

For £50k I'd want half those miles

Mine has that spec plus Xenons, and under half the miles if you're looking lol

Mine hasn't got xenons or sports chrono (I might get that at the next service) and only 12,000mls. Only I've owned it since new. I'm loving it though. I'm going to get MPSC2s for it this year, which should add something.

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Has anybody changed their tyres on their R yet? Mine don't need it from a tread depth perspective but at 4 years old I think they are well past their best. What tyres did you go for if you have changed and what's your view on how it impacted the car?

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Porsche911R said:

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Has anybody changed their tyres on their R yet? Mine don't need it from a tread depth perspective but at 4 years old I think they are well past their best. What tyres did you go for if you have changed and what's your view on how it impacted the car?

you know the answer to this already :-)

PSS or if you want to make it more summer track bias CUP 2's but I would stay with PSS unless fitting adjustable LCA.

I want MPSC2s on mine as I've heard such good things about them. Also keen to understand what others have done though and their views. The Potenzas are hard wearing but pretty naff in my view.

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fridaypassion said:

Out of interest anyone actually have first hand experience of both the R, Basic S, specced up S or just me thats not blinkered?

Yes - I test drove a basic S for 24hrs. I also had a very good blatt in a tuned s and I currently own an R.

I think the R is far superior to a basic S. The suspension is extremely well-judged and makes the car feel sharp and precise, and yet still isn't too stiff for the road. The car drives extremely well and feels exceptionally well-balanced.

Now to the tougher question of a tuned S. I would say that the car I drove did feel slightly sharper, the cup cables made the gear shift rifle bolt precise, which I really liked but the tuned exhaust ruined the whole experience. It was fine when you were going for it especially as the lightweight flywheel made the engine very "zingy" but during normal driving it was boomy and just generally annoying. Made the whole car very chavvy, not my cup of tea at all.

So yes I do think that it is possible to tune an S and end up with a superior car to a std R, but the best bits of the R make it a much more special car. The buckets, lightweight doors, diff, lowered and different passive sports suspension and Alcantara all do just enough to make the car feel a little bit special and (for me at least) make a tangible improvement over how the car drives when compared to a std S. With a tuned S you have to be very careful not to ruin the car.

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fridaypassion said:

hutch2196 said:

Hmmmmmmmm, so there are some differences then other the the "only" two you state. Did you put the aero kit on your modded S, hmmmmmmmmmm!,

By Aero kit we do just mean a fixed spoiler and two insignificant chin splitters? What difference do you actually think that makes? Easily substitutable for an even more effective aftermarket part. The only differences that you cant spec from new on the R are the exhaust and the ali doors. The doors wouldnt stand up to a blind test and the exhaust is microscopically different to the original.

I'm not saying the R is anything but a desirable car. A low mileage R is a good buy at the present time IMO and if you followed the never ending thread last year you'l see I called the bubble in prices last summer before anyone else spotted it. a 5k drop in prices followed. The prices are now going up again but only if you have a unicorn spec car. A basic spec R with no buckets is almost un sellable and barely worth any more than a well specced S. Nobody wants them magical suspension ARBs or otherwise.

I'm not so sure about that. Not everybody wants to mod their car. And the suspension on the R makes the car look a lot better (no ridiculous suspension gap). Also some people want chairs but to be honest the car should have at least spyder alloys and buckets, mine has PSE too, which is a welcome addition.

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fridaypassion said:

ajondyh said:

'm sorry but your fighting a losing battle and with lame reasoning! However your comments continue to amuse me, especially the "No tangible difference" ones

If you can't sense the difference in handling of anti roll bars (Or even adjusting an anti roll bar)your not trying hard enough But in any case it's not just about 1 thing it's the whole package which makes it such a good drivers car, but if you aint a driver you won't appreciate it

I'm the only one offering completely unbiased opinion on here. No axe to grind. Own a tack car with all the bells and whistles on it thats got adjustable everything and blah blah and I have more then enough experience to set it up too. Drives round Caymans of any description.

As I say come and see me at my place in Yorkshire. Drive my S and swear on the life of your firstborn that its not better than your R and I'll give you £1000 its really that simple. You guys have 10-15k more invested in one letter on the back of the car so I wouldnt expect anything other that a fight

Completely unbiased? As an owner of a tuned S espousing the virtues of a tuned S over an R? Yeah right completely unbiased.

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fridaypassion said:

If you have missed earlier in the thread I have owned and run an R and reached my own conclusions.....

I'm not saying you have no experience of an R. I'm saying you can't be completely unbiased as an owner of a tuned S, talking about your perceived benefits of a tuned S over an R. I mean you'd have to be nuts to be saying that an R was better and yet you still chose to go down the tuned S route, no?

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fridaypassion said:

JP again I don't have a tuned S

Ere look it's stock

Sorry - are you saying that a stock S is better then an R? If so, I'm coming up to Yorkshire and claiming a £1000!

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Porsche911R said:

Crono and pse are trinkets which can be added cheap at any time and does not affect a sale.

I try and teach you the R spec but you still not got it have you :-)
The only R which has sold from the OPC list did not have either ! And there was a que for it.

You need to learn the cars more IMO.

As for a £40k S that's dream land and set to drop like a stone more than £10k IMO.
If you have been offered £40k for an S and turned it down more fool you lol.
The £32k R was laughable no car has ever seen those values.
There was a R for £35k at one point sans AC.

For an R to sell well it only needs 3 things
Manual
Buckets
Spyder wheels

Not trinkets you talk of.
Although when there are a few cars for sale the trinket cars will sell 1st ofcourse.

Black does not help its cause either a poor re seller as are all black cars ATM.
Looking for a boxster myself only 5 OPC cars for sale all black, no one wants black cars it seems eps R's.

He's right. My car is black but once it's been down to KDS Keltec, I think people might change their mind on the black

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fridaypassion said:

My car is yes. What do you mean by stock? No spec? Or unmodified? My argument is for a well specced S. Evidently we are in silly mode here now. Like trying to debunk scientology with Tom cruise

As for the asking price on mine it ain't for sale. I've knocked back an offer of 40k for it last week. It's worth more than that to me.

By stock, I do mean non modded. And having driven a stock S, I know that I much prefer the R to the S. I don't like PASM very much and the R has a passive sports suspension

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boxsey said:

Porsche911R said:

Black does not help its cause either a poor re seller as are all black cars ATM.
Looking for a boxster myself only 5 OPC cars for sale all black, no one wants black cars it seems eps R's.

I think I read that the boxster would just be for a runabout so why not get a 2.9 boxster or cayman? Surely they would be plenty of fun and there is a reasonable choice at the moment. If I was going to only use mine on the road I would go for something like this:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

It's PDK but auto is now my preference for a regular use car.

Luckily I've now found something that suits both my regular use and track needs.

Cool - what are you going for?

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boxsey said:

J-P said:

Cool - what are you going for?

I've kept the faith J-P and will confirm all when I've got my grubby mitts on it!

Sounds great - keep us posted.

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Come on chaps this is meant to be somewhere to have a friendly chat about the Cayman R. Not a pissing contest

Went out in mine yesterday, it was fantastic - needs a clean though!

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The brakes are the one weak area of the R for track work IMHO.

Mine has Pagid Rs29s, braided hose, GT3MC, GT3 brake ducts, Castrol SRF.

Tyre wise, I'm going to go for MPSC2.

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My car is due its 4 year service next month.

Any idea what the cost of this should be? It's the major one, so I'm expecting some damage to the wallet but hopefully not too much!