Next Toy 458 Way To Go ?

[Juno]

Looking for the next weekend toy, I currently have GTR35 650BHP GTR34 720ATW EVO7 Wide Body Road Race Reg 722BHP Will probably sell 35 and EVO to make way for the 458 ! I've owned a 430 Spyder and loved it but at the time didn't use it enough as I was worried about miles and depreciation ? Done most Porches and they are now silly money and also looked at the Macca MP4 but going off that idea!

I did consider another F430 but a good one looks close to a 458 so it seems a no brainer to go 458, the thought behind the 430 was I still want a little character in the car not just out and out relentless power, will the 458 make me smile and not be too cleaver and sterile ?

Thanks

Edited by Juno on Saturday 19th December 20:51

[Juno]

Looking for the next weekend toy, I currently have GTR35 650BHP GTR34 720ATW EVO7 Wide Body Road Race Reg 722BHP Will probably sell 35 and EVO to make way for the 458 ! I've owned a 430 Spyder and loved it but at the time didn't use it enough as I was worried about miles and depreciation ? Done most Porches and they are now silly money and also looked at the Macca MP4 but going off that idea!

I did consider another F430 but a good one looks close to a 458 so it seems a no brainer to go 458, the thought behind the 430 was I still want a little character in the car not just out and out relentless power, will the 458 make me smile and not be too cleaver and sterile ?

Thanks

Edited by Juno on Saturday 19th December 21:31

[Juno]

Sounding Good then,what I was saying is that 30k ish doesn't seem enough difference not to go for the 458!

Skittles001 said:

Those are two outliers and are ultra low mileage spiders aimed at the collector's market! The general market seems to be at £80-95k for an F430.

OP back to your main question: I went to the 458 from a Gt3 and Gt3 RS, arguably two of the most fun cars around and I must say the 458 is extremely engaging and a very very loveable car. No regrets.

[Juno]

Looked at F430 today nearly 90k and very poor even though only 16K miles :-( Seen a 458 I like and yes probably 50K Difference

[Juno]

I love that interior,Awesome but couldn't buy it or live with it long term

JiggyJaggy said:

This can be purchased for £165k, 1900 miles, has barely been driven!

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

Edited by Juno on Tuesday 22 December 21:18

[Juno]

Nice but I do want sports seats !!!

mwstewart said:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015... looks good. Only 11k miles, FFSH, and the spec a lot of people want.

[Juno]

I've been looking at the Macca too but does it have the Magic of the 458?

RamboLambo said:

458 v F430 is like chalk and cheese. F430 manual might be having its magic moment in terms of prices but its not a patch on a 458 and the DCT box in reality.

At some of today's prices I wouldn't even say its a guaranteed investment so if you want a car to drive and accept it could depreciate short term you cant do much better than a 458 unless you want to defect to the mighty McLaren

[Juno]

Jeeze what colour is the outside ???

mike01606 said:

How about this one ........



Nice 458 but too red inside. Would put many off..........although do as the guy who specc'd the 599 did and buy what you like....

Edited by mike01606 on Tuesday 22 December 20:53

[Juno]

Don't really want to spend 650 money and really liked the 12c plus in the future it would be the original starting point of the new brand. There was something about the pureness of the first shape whereas the 650 seems a little contrived and trying too hard IMO

NickOrangeCars said:

Juno said:

Looking for the next weekend toy, I currently have GTR35 650BHP GTR34 720ATW EVO7 Wide Body Road Race Reg 722BHP Will probably sell 35 and EVO to make way for the 458 ! I've owned a 430 Spyder and loved it but at the time didn't use it enough as I was worried about miles and depreciation ? Done most Porches and they are now silly money and also looked at the Macca MP4 but going off that idea!

Why did you go off the McLaren? - have you driven a 650S? it is a huge upgrade on the MP4 and 10x more car for the money than the 458 if you are actually going to drive it (rather than polish it)

[Juno]

Thanks will do that!

SL550M said:

Juno, check out the latest issue (#218, February '16) of evo magazine. They have a 3-page 12C buyer's guide in there.

[Juno]

moochofun said:

I'm in the lucky position where I've owned a 12C, currently have a 650S (which is just a more polished 12C) and have driven my fathers 458 a good few times, so have driven all 3 cars regularly and back to back. All are amazing cars, no doubt.

The 458 is rev happy and is pure noise heaven. The 12C/650S less so but still a great noise despite what you read, its just different. The upside to the Mac noise difference is the power curve - the 458 is very rev happy and I found I was playing with the gearbox a lot more than I was in the Macs - the Macs are torque torque happy. The 458 gearbox didn't seem as snappy as the Macs until it was in race mode although the 458 box seemed smarter in selecting the right gear if left in auto mode. Driving position wise, much I prefer the seating position and the interior lay out of the Macs. My fathers car has the Daytona seats so not sure if that was a factor in me sitting too high? Simplicity is the Macs cabin philosophy while I struggled with the 458s steering wheel button and dash arrangement - although you would get used to that over time. Both are great in the handling and braking department. I probably still prefer the steel brakes my 12C had but the carbon brakes on the 458 and 650S are good - once I learned that left foot braking provided the same level of brake modulation and feel that the 12C steels offered.

The 12C, 650S & 458 are all great and have moved the game on from previous generation of the supercar - which is probably thanks to Nissan and its GT-R ;D I think its purely down to personal preference and which one you feel is the best. Performance wise, they are all good and if its just for road driving, there is very little to separate them. Can't comment on track driving as I've not braved the track as yet.

HTH

Thanks Moochofun

[Juno]

Its cheap ??? Bright ?

JiggyJaggy said:

This can be purchased for £165k, 1900 miles, has barely been driven!

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

[Juno]

Thanks for info!

SlartiF430 said:

Have a look a don drive of a 12c. I was originally looking at 458 but found myself being drawn to the Mac very quickly after seeing one in the flesh. They look insane in real life and have much more of a supercar look than the 458 does (awkward from some angles). The 12c looks poised to pounce. Low roofline, wide haunches around huge air intakes. I feel it's a bit more exclusive too - there's very little chance you'll drive past another one on the same stretch of road.

Power and performance? On paper the Mac is better but I never push to things to the limit so can't really comment. I'm feeling that my 12c could end up being a keeper. It's a future classic IMHO - first of its kind and low production volumes.

[Juno]

In the end I bought this, it just floated me boat more right now

[Juno]

Ooooooops and thanks

SlartiF430 said:

Juno said:

In the end I bought this, it just floated me boat more right now

Well that killed the debate.

Congrats. It's beautiful.