Should I trade my CS for a 16M?
Discussion
Absolutely adore my CS but now the prices have narrowed should I take the plunge - which of the two will prove the most special in the future? Of concern, right now, is that good CS have sold well in the mid £100k's whereas the three 16M's seem to have hung around including the Abu Dhabi blue car that has relocated from Lovetts to Furlongers recently.
Before I get slammed, the driving experience IS important to me and I haven't driven a 16M, thoughts and opinion from those that know?
Before I get slammed, the driving experience IS important to me and I haven't driven a 16M, thoughts and opinion from those that know?
jackal said:
Yeah why not? At least you could turn round after it all and say that you lived a bit and weren't controlled by money.
I've got a 10 year old CS, and I'm now looking at a 5 year old 16M. If I want a GT3, and they're admittedly lovely, I'll buy one in a few Years when they're £70K-£80K, but I somehow doubt one would lift my soul in the way that my CS does on a 6am blast - frankly what worries me about a 16M is that it won't either.I am not ashamed to admit that I cannot afford to lose £50K a Year on a car and I'm sure I'm not the only one on this forum in the same position. I do my depreciating with my day car (a tweaked GTR in case you were asking) so my toys have to be capable of holding, or at least not losing too much of, their value during the time I own them, while also being driveable and entertaining and desirable.
In other words I've decided to spend much of my disposable income on my passion for cars rather than sensible pensions and other stuff and, one day, I may end up living in a caravan, at the age of 70 with not two farthings to rub together - but you know what, I won't care, I'll be my kid's and the NHS's problem by then
Jappo said:
I've got a 10 year old CS, and I'm now looking at a 5 year old 16M. If I want a GT3, and they're admittedly lovely, I'll buy one in a few Years when they're £70K-£80K, but I somehow doubt one would lift my soul in the way that my CS does on a 6am blast - frankly what worries me about a 16M is that it won't either.
I am not ashamed to admit that I cannot afford to lose £50K a Year on a car and I'm sure I'm not the only one on this forum in the same position. I do my depreciating with my day car (a tweaked GTR in case you were asking) so my toys have to be capable of holding, or at least not losing too much of, their value during the time I own them, while also being driveable and entertaining and desirable.
In other words I've decided to spend much of my disposable income on my passion for cars rather than sensible pensions and other stuff and, one day, I may end up living in a caravan, at the age of 70 with not two farthings to rub together - but you know what, I won't care, I'll be my kid's and the NHS's problem by then
Oh yeah, just realised, my 10 Year old CS is worth more than a new GT3I am not ashamed to admit that I cannot afford to lose £50K a Year on a car and I'm sure I'm not the only one on this forum in the same position. I do my depreciating with my day car (a tweaked GTR in case you were asking) so my toys have to be capable of holding, or at least not losing too much of, their value during the time I own them, while also being driveable and entertaining and desirable.
In other words I've decided to spend much of my disposable income on my passion for cars rather than sensible pensions and other stuff and, one day, I may end up living in a caravan, at the age of 70 with not two farthings to rub together - but you know what, I won't care, I'll be my kid's and the NHS's problem by then
Russell996 said:
Jappo said:
Put a deposit down on the Rosso Scud at Meridien. Anyone on here know what issues should be looking for prior to purchase? e.g. I thought 42% clutch wear on a 12800 mile car seemed high and there is evidence of condensation in the cf headlamps.
Congrats on the Scud. There are a number of threads on FC where owners have used a hair dryer on the headlights and after 15-20 mins of careful application the marking on the inside of the lens has completely gone.
Engine bay carbon always needs careful checking for yellowing and a SD3 readout of CCM wear % is a must.
Russell996 said:
Jappo said:
Thanks, any idea of what acceptable readings should be? Re the headlights the car has obviously been kept dry for a while and the evidence of condensation could be seen as cloudiness.
Checked my records and 17% clutch and 19% brake wear at 13k miles. Caveat - SD3 read outs are notoriously inaccurate!jimmyslr said:
Jappo said:
Put a deposit down on the Rosso Scud at Meridien. Anyone on here know what issues should be looking for prior to purchase? e.g. I thought 42% clutch wear on a 12800 mile car seemed high and there is evidence of condensation in the cf headlamps.
I'd be checking the brake wear also as they're more expensive than the clutch. Also the usual stuff around accidents/panels/paint and service history. The market loves originality and a perfect track record and, given that car is top dollar, it should be pretty perfect in that regard. The clutch use sounds highish, but important thing is why (which might not be easy to tell). It could have just been driven in traffic a lot without dropping it into neutral frequently. Perhaps use of reverse uphill. Maybe lots of full bore up shifts in race mode. Assuming it's the original clutch it's still good for another several years at similar usage to that which it has seen. If it's a 5 grand job then not end of world over several years and your usage pattern will drive the wear over the next few years.
As it happens, I bought the black Scud that Meridien had briefly until two weeks ago. Lovely car and service from the chaps there all good too. I'm a happy customer. Did I read elsewhere that you're chopping in a CS? Going against the crowd on that one, or at least the rather prevalent theme on every forum - very interesting. I thought about CS or Scud, but preferred the look, handling and usability of the Scud.
jimmyslr said:
Jappo said:
Put a deposit down on the Rosso Scud at Meridien. Anyone on here know what issues should be looking for prior to purchase? e.g. I thought 42% clutch wear on a 12800 mile car seemed high and there is evidence of condensation in the cf headlamps.
I'd be checking the brake wear also as they're more expensive than the clutch. Also the usual stuff around accidents/panels/paint and service history. The market loves originality and a perfect track record and, given that car is top dollar, it should be pretty perfect in that regard. The clutch use sounds highish, but important thing is why (which might not be easy to tell). It could have just been driven in traffic a lot without dropping it into neutral frequently. Perhaps use of reverse uphill. Maybe lots of full bore up shifts in race mode. Assuming it's the original clutch it's still good for another several years at similar usage to that which it has seen. If it's a 5 grand job then not end of world over several years and your usage pattern will drive the wear over the next few years.
As it happens, I bought the black Scud that Meridien had briefly until two weeks ago. Lovely car and service from the chaps there all good too. I'm a happy customer. Did I read elsewhere that you're chopping in a CS? Going against the crowd on that one, or at least the rather prevalent theme on every forum - very interesting. I thought about CS or Scud, but preferred the look, handling and usability of the Scud.
matc said:
col68 said:
That sounds ok for the brake wear,clutch wear is a bit high usually the ccm and clutch are pretty close to each other.......last red car they had was high 50's on the brake wear,when I asked if it had been tracked,they said yes, but in a 'proper way'....
They supply and re-sell the Thruxton experience cars, so whilst they've probably not had incredibly hard abuse, it'll certainly be more than a chershied car would have been subject to.Gassing Station | Ferrari Classics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff