Huracan 610-4 and 640-4 EVO buying advice
Discussion
All,
I'm looking to get back into something sporty and enjoyable this year.
I'm looking at two potential Lamborghini options - Huracan 610-4 and 640-4 EVO. Alos looking at 992 GT3, 488GTB and 600LT.
Both Lamborghini models are at each end of my budget and I would appreciate some buying advice.
I am looking at these cars:
My gut feeling is to lean towards the newer cars - EVO - for the benefit of additional warranty cover.
Is there anything else I should consider as decision factors between the two? I've read the service threads on this forum and have a rough idea of what to expect on that front. Any other considerations?
It'll be my first supercar, coming from 911s in the past and looking at a number of car models, but these have a strong pull due to the V10.
PS - apologies for the broken links, I am not permitted to post direct links due to it being a new account.
I'm looking to get back into something sporty and enjoyable this year.
I'm looking at two potential Lamborghini options - Huracan 610-4 and 640-4 EVO. Alos looking at 992 GT3, 488GTB and 600LT.
Both Lamborghini models are at each end of my budget and I would appreciate some buying advice.
I am looking at these cars:
My gut feeling is to lean towards the newer cars - EVO - for the benefit of additional warranty cover.
Is there anything else I should consider as decision factors between the two? I've read the service threads on this forum and have a rough idea of what to expect on that front. Any other considerations?
It'll be my first supercar, coming from 911s in the past and looking at a number of car models, but these have a strong pull due to the V10.
PS - apologies for the broken links, I am not permitted to post direct links due to it being a new account.
Edited by Masterplan on Thursday 8th February 09:28
Palmball said:
Masterplan, I've had most of the cars (or similar) you mention on your shortlist - 488, 570S plus 720S, AMG GT and also a prolific 911 and R8 owner over the years.
I love McLaren's to drive - they're superb dynamically and the 570S's were largely reliable but, after failing to find a 720S that worked properly (we're told they exist, just not in my experience...although they are the best car I've driven when working), then being somewhat nonplussed about the 488 (a very pretty car but one of my least favourite to drive), I was almost going to give up on supercars. Never had a Lamborghini and always viewed the Huracan as an expensive R8, and after six R8's I just never saw the value.
I eventually dragged myself to try one after having run out of other options that I'd not already tried and, frankly, I've not looked back. Yes, they're obviously related to the R8 as, when you drive one, in some respects there are similarities. However, the Lamborghini is notably firmer and sportier in feel, it's louder, it feels totally different from the drivers seat (worse in many respects, especially visibility and tech) and it feels twice as special even if objectively, it might not really be any better.
They don't drive as well, or at least as feelsome as the McLaren's, they're perhaps not as pretty as the Ferrari, and they're less easy to live with and throw around than the 911's, R8's etc. However as an overall ownership proposition I can't think of much not to like - they sound better than anything else and they're still superb dynamically - let's get this into context because the Huracan can get a rum deal in the press but in my ownership experience they're extremely competent and, as a road car, they're at least as capable as the best of anything else...they perhaps just lack the directness and feel of the McLaren and 911's. They're very well built and have an excellent reliability record (after 8 McLaren's, this is worth a lot!) but, most of all...for me...they make every drive a fantastic sense of occasion more than anything else I've had.
My first one was a 610-4 and, being a 2017 car, it had some of the newer software for things like the steering. I've never driven an older Huracan but am led to believe a 2017 or later is a much improved car. This car also had the Lamborghini OEM race exhaust and I have to say, it was the best sounding car I've ever had (and probably will ever have) by a country mile. I bought it with 15k miles, used it daily for two years (in fact in those two years I owned it twice as I sold it, regretted doing so and bought it back) and when I sold it last year, it had done 33k miles. I had two main dealer services in that time, with the minor service costing c.£1.7k and major c.£4k. Lamborghini warranty was bulletproof (I needed it twice for a couple of minor things) and cost c.£3k pa and the main reason I sold it was the increasing miles and impending inability to renew the warranty after 7 years.
My second one was a Performante which was a huge step up price wise. Now I'm going to go out on a whim and say something that'll probablyl be unpopular here, but the I think the difference between the standard car and Performante is one over-exaggeration. It set an expectation that I just didn't think the car could deliver on. Yes, it was a bit better dynamically but as a road car, the differences were nuances rather than night and day. Perhaps it's because I had a later model standard car so the differences were less or perhaps the fact the Performante sounded nowhere near as good as the standard car with the race exhaust...I don't know, but I was driving around in it and wishing I was in the previous car.
It didn't last long before I changed it for an Evo, a car widely deemed better than the pre-Evo but not as good as the Performante. I think the Evo's aesthetic updates work really well in making it look more modern than either of the others (and in fact to these eyes I think it's the best looking even compared to Tecnica and STO, but again just IMO). It still doesn't sound as good as the 610-4 with race exhaust - it's a smoother, less vibratory, sound but it seems to be louder than the Performante which I didn't expect (it is a MY2020...being mindful that newer Evo's are rumoured to get quieter with every year from 2021 onwards so I bought an early one). I suspect an Evo / Performante will sound better than 610-4 without a race exhaust. The Evo's 4WS does make it feel exceptionally direct, it rides a bit better than a 610-4 and it just feels a little more 'developed'.
Few things to note, although again I suspect I might be in the minority with these:
I personally like the dynamic steering option, mainly because I found the standard rack (as was fitted to my Perf) very very slow. It feels marginally less natural, but for me I think its a worthwhile trade off for the added directness
If you like listening to audio in the car, be aware the standard audio is woeful, so if this is important to you then seek out a car with Sensonum which improves it notably (although still don't go expecting B&W or Burmester like quality!)
The infotainment in the Evo is terrible...thankfully the CarPlay works very well (and a Carlinkit adaptor to make it wireless is also very effective). I can't believe the Italians gave up access to the vast VW group's reserves in this area and designed their own utter cr@p system (although it does at least look good) which is functionally a huge backwards step versus the Audi-derived system in the pre-Evo's.
On balance I would say the Evo feels like a further step on vs the standard car than the Performante felt and is probably the version I'd choose again, but I do wish it could have an exhaust like my first one!
Massively appreciate the effort that went into your post, thank you.I love McLaren's to drive - they're superb dynamically and the 570S's were largely reliable but, after failing to find a 720S that worked properly (we're told they exist, just not in my experience...although they are the best car I've driven when working), then being somewhat nonplussed about the 488 (a very pretty car but one of my least favourite to drive), I was almost going to give up on supercars. Never had a Lamborghini and always viewed the Huracan as an expensive R8, and after six R8's I just never saw the value.
I eventually dragged myself to try one after having run out of other options that I'd not already tried and, frankly, I've not looked back. Yes, they're obviously related to the R8 as, when you drive one, in some respects there are similarities. However, the Lamborghini is notably firmer and sportier in feel, it's louder, it feels totally different from the drivers seat (worse in many respects, especially visibility and tech) and it feels twice as special even if objectively, it might not really be any better.
They don't drive as well, or at least as feelsome as the McLaren's, they're perhaps not as pretty as the Ferrari, and they're less easy to live with and throw around than the 911's, R8's etc. However as an overall ownership proposition I can't think of much not to like - they sound better than anything else and they're still superb dynamically - let's get this into context because the Huracan can get a rum deal in the press but in my ownership experience they're extremely competent and, as a road car, they're at least as capable as the best of anything else...they perhaps just lack the directness and feel of the McLaren and 911's. They're very well built and have an excellent reliability record (after 8 McLaren's, this is worth a lot!) but, most of all...for me...they make every drive a fantastic sense of occasion more than anything else I've had.
My first one was a 610-4 and, being a 2017 car, it had some of the newer software for things like the steering. I've never driven an older Huracan but am led to believe a 2017 or later is a much improved car. This car also had the Lamborghini OEM race exhaust and I have to say, it was the best sounding car I've ever had (and probably will ever have) by a country mile. I bought it with 15k miles, used it daily for two years (in fact in those two years I owned it twice as I sold it, regretted doing so and bought it back) and when I sold it last year, it had done 33k miles. I had two main dealer services in that time, with the minor service costing c.£1.7k and major c.£4k. Lamborghini warranty was bulletproof (I needed it twice for a couple of minor things) and cost c.£3k pa and the main reason I sold it was the increasing miles and impending inability to renew the warranty after 7 years.
My second one was a Performante which was a huge step up price wise. Now I'm going to go out on a whim and say something that'll probablyl be unpopular here, but the I think the difference between the standard car and Performante is one over-exaggeration. It set an expectation that I just didn't think the car could deliver on. Yes, it was a bit better dynamically but as a road car, the differences were nuances rather than night and day. Perhaps it's because I had a later model standard car so the differences were less or perhaps the fact the Performante sounded nowhere near as good as the standard car with the race exhaust...I don't know, but I was driving around in it and wishing I was in the previous car.
It didn't last long before I changed it for an Evo, a car widely deemed better than the pre-Evo but not as good as the Performante. I think the Evo's aesthetic updates work really well in making it look more modern than either of the others (and in fact to these eyes I think it's the best looking even compared to Tecnica and STO, but again just IMO). It still doesn't sound as good as the 610-4 with race exhaust - it's a smoother, less vibratory, sound but it seems to be louder than the Performante which I didn't expect (it is a MY2020...being mindful that newer Evo's are rumoured to get quieter with every year from 2021 onwards so I bought an early one). I suspect an Evo / Performante will sound better than 610-4 without a race exhaust. The Evo's 4WS does make it feel exceptionally direct, it rides a bit better than a 610-4 and it just feels a little more 'developed'.
Few things to note, although again I suspect I might be in the minority with these:
I personally like the dynamic steering option, mainly because I found the standard rack (as was fitted to my Perf) very very slow. It feels marginally less natural, but for me I think its a worthwhile trade off for the added directness
If you like listening to audio in the car, be aware the standard audio is woeful, so if this is important to you then seek out a car with Sensonum which improves it notably (although still don't go expecting B&W or Burmester like quality!)
The infotainment in the Evo is terrible...thankfully the CarPlay works very well (and a Carlinkit adaptor to make it wireless is also very effective). I can't believe the Italians gave up access to the vast VW group's reserves in this area and designed their own utter cr@p system (although it does at least look good) which is functionally a huge backwards step versus the Audi-derived system in the pre-Evo's.
On balance I would say the Evo feels like a further step on vs the standard car than the Performante felt and is probably the version I'd choose again, but I do wish it could have an exhaust like my first one!
The EVO seems to stick out from the pack, but I really do need to test drive everything properly.
Having done a bit of reading on these, as well as speaking to numerous finance companies, it’s interesting how they see EVO values holding up over the next 2-4 years.
Over 4 years it would seem they are suggesting 50% depreciation, and over 2 years 30-40% depreciation, purely based on final balloon payments.
Am I interpreting that correctly?
I would have thought these would have stronger depreciation curves given it’s the last of the NA V10’s.
It’s definitely food for thought at current finance quotes between 9-11%. Compare that to some 488 quotes and the 488 would appear to hang on a little better.
Over 4 years it would seem they are suggesting 50% depreciation, and over 2 years 30-40% depreciation, purely based on final balloon payments.
Am I interpreting that correctly?
I would have thought these would have stronger depreciation curves given it’s the last of the NA V10’s.
It’s definitely food for thought at current finance quotes between 9-11%. Compare that to some 488 quotes and the 488 would appear to hang on a little better.
What’s everyone’s thoughts on this car: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2023121949...
Priced fairly? Anything that jumps out spec or history wise?
Priced fairly? Anything that jumps out spec or history wise?
Palmball said:
How are you getting on Masterplan, any progress on purchase of anything?
good thank you! finally settled on a Huracan Evo after a lot of deliberation between that and a 488. I have to say, I don't think I'll ever get tired of the V10 just behind my head. Sport mode is just wonderful! Gassing Station | Gallardo/Huracan | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff