1st Lambo - UK Purchase - Need all experienced owners help

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I'm looking to buy an Aventador S Coupe, should I avoid the 1st MY 2017?. The 2019 MY seems good value. Currently there is a high mileage 2017 with 32k miles for £200 and a low mileage 2018 with 3500 miles for £235 and a 2019 with 7500 miles at £250. Then a 2020 with 6500 miles for £300 which is too much for me unless i set up a 'go fund me', but I may get told to 'go fund myself'!
Is there any likelihood of getting a discount at these prices? If so, what would be realistic?
£200 is really the ball park I am looking for but as it's 'the dream' and the 2019 will have more warranty time and seems good value, I will stretch. The cheapest on AT is £150 for a 2012 with 31k miles.

Will prices come down slightly when the replacement starts to be delivered? I could delay for another year but I really do not want to as I've already waited. I think there is some room for prices to come down when new 24 plate cars are delivered (obviously not 24 aventador's) So am keeping an eye on prices and MY's from now.

Just prior to covid I was looking for a Huracan, then shortly after covid started prices shot up. As a result I decided to wait as I found it hard to spend more than what I had seen they were selling for. Prices were like at least £20k up. It was a real shame I took my time as I may have been able to buy and drive one for 2 or 3 years and sell it for close to what I paid, or at least with less depreciation. I did not keep an eye on aventador pricing as it was out of my league at the time. In any case the wait has now pushed me towards being able to fund an Aventador, even if at the cheaper end of the scale. I really would like the experience even if only for 2 years. In any case I will work harder to try to keep it for as long as I can, but this also depends on any unforseen costs.

Are there any MY's I need to avoid? Not just for the 'S' but any variant?

What is the max length of time the Lambo warranty can be extended for? Seems to be 7 years? Or is it at 7 yrs old the last time you can extend the warranty?
If 7 years or whenever, what is the max extension?
Many seem to live without the warranty, I will decide as I get closer but am thinking it would be a better option for me.

Are there any other 3rd party warranty options that are decent. My only concern from what I have read would be transmission / gearbox coverage.

how much is a new gearbox / transmission?
Worst case how much is a rebuild?

When are the service intervals? Mainly want to know the minor and major intervals and rough costing?

I'm looking to buy for the summer but need the info about the extended warranty. I am likely only going to keep the car for 2 / 3 years for the experience, so thinking of buying one with a warranty and selling it with a warranty, even if it is the last year. Any further advice would be great.

Maybe better buying with a warranty if it's a private purchase and if from Amari, Romans or the other fellow or his son then thinking I should be ok?? Is this daft? If private can i get it inspected at Lambo? If so, how much?

Do they come with warranty and service packages from new? If so what are the details such as how long are these usually? 2 / 3 or 4 years? or more? Do lambo do service packages? Does this mean no cost servicing or are there costs involved? Or is it just Ferrari that do service packages? I was kinda thinking of getting a newer huracan like the EVO 4 that is under warranty and has plenty of life left in the warranty even after selling it, but those doors and the top speed of the aventador is a huge problem for the 10 yr old inside me. I cant see me being able to get a Huracan then an Aventador after as costs on either will be high. If it is possible I may be able to go from the aventador to a huracan to decrease costs and if I cannot sustain the aventador. The other more viable option is to go from the aventador to a 911 turbo s which is much more affordable and I could keep it for longer.

Do novitec and capristo invalidate the warranty? Anything else I should look out for that invalidates the warranty? Not loooking for anything that's been modded.

I may need a roof box, really not sure but would be handy for a few days / weekends away. Any recommendations that will fit such as which Thule? Or any other that is cheaper than the lambo one? Doesn't need to be huge, are there any with wheels so i can wheel it to a hotel room? Laugh at me if you wish!

thank you in advance, any help is much appreciated. Sorry if this is long, just trying to give people and idea of my train of thought. The warranty and pricing questions are more for experienced U.K based owners (past and present) and would love to hear from others from all over the globe for the other queries. I know my USA brothers and sisters have a vast amount of experience of these cars.

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"nothing does theatre like a V12 scissor door Lambo." - Kerniki 18th Dec 2023!

-This is what gets me here!

I'm good with the gearbox, I like to think I am sensible and want to enjoy this memorable experience without burning too large a hole in my pockets through my own negligence. I wont be driving like a loon. It's more keeping the dream alive and not wanting to ruin the experience myself. I would need carplay, but if a module can be fitted I could get this done, not sure if this comes on the 'S' model but will check. I wish I could keep it and it may be possible but I don't want to let myself down and am happy to accept selling it. I do believe that with the advent of electric cars the aventador will eventually rise in value. I don't think it will go crazy and it will take at least 10 years, but I do think the car is iconic, has that analogue element, V12, doors, sleek, sharp styling etc that will aid it's rise in value over the higher production numbers of the huracan, door doors, sleek but less aggressive styling which will have more cars with higher mileage also. Therefore, I wish you luck and hope you keep your aventador for many years to come. In this case it could well be a bargain!

Thank you very much for sharing your experience and the info you have provided. It has been very helpful.

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cgt2 said:

If you do a search there was a thread a couple of months ago covering pretty much the same ground.

For me the S is the pick of the bunch. I've done quite a few miles in them and 4WS makes it far more usable than earlier cars. Still a big car but far more maneuverable.

Thanks, I will have a look for this thread.

I agree that the 'S' is the pick of the bunch from the research I have done.
The SV and SVJ would be less comfortable for me and while I like the look of the big shouty wing to look at, I do prefer the 'S' where the rear wing is part of the body of the car, very sleek. Also while big shouty wings look good, they slow the car down and the closest mine would get to a track is the car park!

Brilliant info about the 4WS from someone with the experience, thanks.

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cgt2 said:

This one

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Thanks cgt2, I did find it as it was on the first page! An interesting read indeed.
Has given me much to think about.

I am still unsure about the max length of the warranty though?
If it is 7 years or if at 7 years you can put a last year on? Not sure if i missed it on that thread but I will have another read and worst case I can ask a Lambo dealer.

I will just ensure to get a car within the warranty, then see how it goes and whether to keep it for even just a year for the experience.
I'm still not totally disheartened but will think more over the next week or so.

The quora thread was deep! Maybe some minor differences, the 'S' is more comfortable and the 4WS is handy compared to the SV the chaps talks about in the thread. The rest is obvious though a good eye opener for someone who is new to supercars. Certain things such as the sat nav and the sound system being useless I already know. I hear what he says about the Mclaren 720S but they also depreciate more and the panel gaps put me off. The visibility and lack of 360 camera is bad but I am sensible. I know the performante will be quicker but not a concern for me.

I wonder if he got the car in the end, I will try to reply or PM him if I can. The hostility is a shame, I too have experienced this before from the Mclaren guys when I decided against it and decided on a huracan. People love to jump on people and turn others against posters, especially with claiming the poster is not actually interested in buying a car. Even if so, so what. Just don't reply but the purpose is to turn others against posters which only reflects on those people. It is easier to not respond. I was about to buy a haracan but covid hit and prices shot up. It just means that now I can afford to fund an aventador, so for me I feel it has worked out better. Well I hope he did get an aventador and if he changed his mind, good on him also. If it was all a lie, it still doesn't matter as that thread helped me and maybe others, it does not affect anyone else though.

thanks again for your help and linking me that thread, much appreciated. The information is great, you are clearly knowledgeable and experienced, thanks.

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cgt2 said:

The best advice I can give is try to get a decent 20-30 mile drive in one. A quick test drive around the block will leave you thinking it's an unfriendly unwieldy monster and might turn you off.

An Aventador doesn't properly wake up for at least half an hour. A lot of fluids to warm up and the gearbox will feel very clunky from cold. When properly warm and on wide open roads nothing will beat the experience but you do need a very specific set of circumstances to appreciate it properly.

Having said all that my neighbour has one he uses daily in all weathers!

Indeed you are right, however I don't think it is so easy to get a 30 mile drive in one. Unless I hire one for a day. Dealers don't want to take such a risk, would a lambo dealer allow this? I was willing to buy one and then drive it. I get the clunky gearbox and warming the car up before driving which is fine as I do this with all my cars without fail to the extent I know I waste a fair amount of fuel just warming cars up. It is now a habit as I have done this for over 15 years now so do it without thinking. Even the Mrs does it.

I will try to think about more ways I could possibly get a 30 mile drive but I can't see many being willing! You are right but i'm not sure if I could arrange this and I know I could hire one but don't want to waste the money. I know how it sounds but I would be surprised if I was disappointed driving the aventador.

How do you maintain yours in winter? Any recommendations? I have a few noco battery maintainers. How often should I start it and for how long should I leave it running? Without taking it for a drive, just to run the engine in? What else would be good practice? I know these cars can fall asleep and the dash becomes a christmas tree if not properly cared for. How long is the longest you would recommend not driving it for? I would think I should drive it somewhat every how many weeks ??? for how long ??? so the gearbox doesn't fall asleep also. Do i need to drive say 5 miles every 2 weeks or what is your recommendation? My numbers are just examples guesses from thin air.

I know with Porsches I can warm them up for 20 mins and drive them just a few hundred yards every 2 weeks or even once a month and they are fine for winter if not driven so much and I can get away doing this for a few months if need be. I know the aventador is much different.

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RagingBulls said:

So in short

1) Buy the highest spec car you can find even if you pay more its worth it!
2) Buy a car with warranty
3) Any aftermarket mods will invalidate your warranty
4) Find a low mileage example as it will be hard to shift the high miler later
5) get one asap its fking epic!

Thanks RagingBulls, great info. Will defo get one with a warranty and a good spec car, high spec cars are a bargain second hand, much cheaper than the new price and easier to sell on, i'm a sucker for carbon fibre also!

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Regarding launch control how can i tell how many times the car has been 'launched'?
If purchased from a Lambo dealer I will ask and find out if there is a report I have access to.
Worried about the strain this puts on the transmission and what would be considered excessive launching. I know this should not be in double digits and I have no intention of using this at all ever.

I guess i'll end up buying an ODB type device for the vehicle and this may report the number of launches, so I can use this for resale to show I have not used launch control. Does this car use an OBD type device? If so, where is the port located?

Do all Aventador S models come with cruise control? I use this a lot as it helps me to keep to a reasonable speed. If it's an option it would be a must for me.

Thanks in advance.

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RagingBulls said:

A main dealer can give you a read out of launches and a clutch reading - I recommend you ask for this. I had both on mine given to me by my dealer. Gives you a good indication - a car with multiple launches was probably an ex-rental car! No OBS reader works on this car as far as I know. Aventadors dont have cruise control. Well both of mine havent.

Perfect RagingBulls, I will be sure to obtain this report. Not surprised about the ODB port, I only noticed cruise control on a listing for a car at £234,995, 2018 with 9800 miles. I was also surprised as I'm sure not one cares about this, I know it is available on the huracan but not common and easy to see as the controls are part of the multifunction steering wheel so you can see 'blank' buttons or 'pictured' buttons. It does help me refrain from dodgy right foot syndrome, but neither here nor there in the grand scheme of the vehicle. I was surprised when i read it so it is likely a mistake.

Can you let me know more about what I need to check for the clutch reading? Or where I can find more information about this? Also, what parameters are good / acceptable and what is bad or unacceptable?

Thank you very much for your info. I will look into this more.

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TP321 said:

Why coupe and not roadster? for the roof box?

Not sure where you are going with this, please elaborate?
I am looking to purchase a coupe and have seen them with a roofbox.
Do you have or have you had an aventador?

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TP321 said:

andrew said:

mine had 37k at six years, and i don't recall doing either !

did you won it from new and put 37k miles over 6 years? Nothing wrong with that, but it would be a struggle to sell on, even at a much reduced price.

I'm sure it would take longer to sell but also gives the opportunity for others to buy their dream car at a reduced price. 37k miles is still low, just not for this vehicle. If the price is right anything will sell. It would be better to offer less than asking. I have seen it can take time to sell these cars, I guess it depends on a few factors, price being a big one but also the financial climate has an affect. There are a lot less customers for this vehicle. The point is that being a 'track experience' or 'wedding hire' car is pure speculation. There are some people who drive these cars regularly, especially in the US where there are much more of these cars. It really depends on the owners finances. I wish I could drive it so much. Andrew is a lucky guy to be able to have driven his aventador so much. He also has a huge amount of experience. I would have no problem buying a car with 37k miles so far as it is provided with a full history of expenditure and report with warranty etc. At this level cars that are driven regularly often have less problems than those that are not. They 'break' just sitting, on some the gearbox can fall asleep but can simply be woken up by disconnecting the battery and reconnecting it, this happens when the car is not used regularly or has been sitting for a while.

Don't think he 'won' the car either, reckon he bought it!! Can't figure out how this is a typo or how you get to 'won' from 'buy'?

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Kerniki said:

An English as first language thing..

He means, is your reason for going with a coupe and NOT the roadster because you would like to fit a roof box, as I’m guessing it’s not possible on the roadster (or at least not advisable)

I don’t think cruise was possible on early cars (not seen it anyway)
But is either standard on the S or an option. Personally think it’s a good idea as holding throttle and maintaining speeds on motorway is a pain if up and down hills, so many more people use cruise these days it makes syncing more difficult. It’s a great motorway car btw, I find the seats better than my GTC & 720, but I’m quite heavy and compacted would definitely have cruise if I can find a Borealis roadster S

Btw, Not even a usb slot on pre 2016 cars

ETA - most talk on clutch is about reducing slip via corsa or street mode to lengthen clutch life, launch bangs the plates together so I imagine it’s harder on shafts and gearbox internal rather than the cutch itself, no?

Gotcha, i guess a translation thing. Thought there was a competition I was not aware of that I needed to enter!

I'm looking for an 'S' model which is from 2017 so will ask about cruise control, would prefer this option.

buying a coupe has nothing to do with the roofbox, i'm just not into convertibles or roadsters so it is never something I look at, when searching I always narrow search results by selecting 'coupe'.

It seems to me TP321 is looking for fault, same as i said before, people like to jump on others and claim they don't wish to buy the car or such. It is quite common, again it's easier to just not reply if this is the case. TP321 has already made an incorrect assumption about a high mileage car being a 'track' or 'wedding' car. I will buy the car in my own time, when I am ready. While a possibility for any car and something to avoid it is not always the case.

It would be interesting to know what cars TP321 has and has had. Experience with such cars counts much more. Over the years I have heard many people talk negatively about generally expensive cars without any experience at all, we know where this comes from.

Therefore, it is vital to know which lamborghini(s) TP321 has or has had. Even his other supercar experience would be interesting.

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TP321 said:

Yes i have a roadster S

Great, why not provide some more advice, move on from the roofbox as it seems you are unable to provide any information to help and not from speculation or assumption please such as high mileage cars being track or wedding cars, this would be something most people would want to avoid in buying any car.

I just saw a video last night that Mark McCann has a roof box for his SVJ, I will ask him but likely when I get the car as it is clearly available. I also have a good friend in the US whom I am sure will get one for me if they are not available in the UK, which is why I asked about Thule which is more likely available in the UK. Just in case anyone knows, but it may take time before someone who does know reads this, if at all.

In any case you have not been able to provide any advice on a roofbox so little point discussing it.
Do you have any other cars or just an Aventador Roadster? Just out of my interest in cars.

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TP321 said:

i am just pointing out that if you need a roof box then you are limited to a coupe. I prefer the roadster, hence why i bought it.

Ok got you better now, if you read the first line of my original post it states:
"I'm looking to buy an Aventador S Coupe"
it's great that you have the roadster just not relevant to me.

If I was looking for a Roadster I would have mentioned it at some point. I'm not keen on the roadster due to removing the roof panels and their storage, from a few I have seen, I have seen some damage to the roof panels from this. Then there is less space in the frunk, or no space with the top stored away. Anyway, the roadster is just 'not me'. Not sure why you wouldn't just state that if I need a roof box that I would have to get the coupe in any case, that would have finshed that straight away. It would have been more helpful if I was asking about a roadster to say it like that also.

How are your roof panels? Any damage?
So what other cars do you have or what other supercars have you owned in the past?
If you have any helpful advice on the aventador then go ahead.

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Kerniki said:

He hasnt been awkward in any way Tiger just brief with his responses, advising that high mileage cars could have been rentals or experience cars, which is very good advice and his questioning your coupe motives was totally innocent, he was just asking ‘why’? the coupe and not a roadster, nothing malicious from what i can see.

From what you are typing, Its actually looking like you are here to provoke something tbh, maybe not, hard to tell with your communication so excuse me if you are not.

Not at all actually, I have experienced this before and seen it numerous times. As I said, I did say coupe in the first line of my post. On from that he did not give any other advice and owns an aventador. I'm just being straight, have seen many times people like to claim that someone who wants to buy a car is lying. Even if they are it does not affect anyone and is eaiser to just not reply but the point is to plant the seed to others reading. You state that it looks like I am provoking something when all my replies have been polite and to the point. You could PM me to point out your opinion.

Actually have had some really good and inspiring advice, none from TP321, when in particular owners of aventadors can give the best advice. Most people would want to avoid a wedding or track car but this was pure speculation. Again well driven cars do run better and have less issues, for this I would not rule out a high mileage car, lambo dealers often have high mileage cars with numerous owners and warranty. Very low mileage cars worry me. Questioning the coupe motive could have easily been seen from the first line of my post and numerous others after when his later replies came. Further on a roadster was never mentioned. Why not just ask if I didn't want a roadster for the roof box? Why even jump to this conclusion? Actually if you read my posts I do ask him for advice, but not for the roof box as he doesn't know. He posts repeatedly for the same purpose, great way to 'up' your post count! This is just a joke. Chill Winston! So for me this went on too long for just the roofbox which he was unable to offer advice such as thule model or other. Both my wife and I are 'into' cars, I often travel for meetings and a suit and my jackets are no good in the frunk, the roof box is better, also for long weekends away with the mrs. When i get to a hotel, remove the roof box, take to hotel room and back on for the journey home. I think it would be vital for trips to Europe. It's a solution.

The only mistake I see I made was when he said 'won' and I did not see this was a typo of 'own'. My brain stuck on winning a car and earning money for a car not seeing the correlation, I didn't even see it when 'andrew' capitalised 'OWN', I thought he was expressing he bought it from new which is why i replied to your post saying it must be a translation thing. Also TP321 only answers some of my questions, so I have asked again. If anything I am trying to avoid negativity here which is common on forums in general in particular from people that post a lot towards people that don't, not just this forum. I have always been polite, this is my nature, still some find it necessary to find fault and provoke. I do not see this in any of my posts even to TP321, otherwise I would not respond to him.

I hope this has cleared this up. Would rather such issues PM'ed to me rather than ruin this thread.
But others are welcome to PM me with advice also.

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RagingBulls said:

The cluth reading is measured in % worn so an 80 means its 80% worn. Anything around 40% should be fine but speak to a main dealer for proper guidance. I would find a car with a main dealer and then grill them on things like this - it will help you gain more knowledge on the car mate.

Great, at least I can get this info, be aware and even check how my own driving affects the clutch. From what I have read it seems the 'S' has a different clutch than the previous base model and does seem to last longer. I will also ask the dealer how much it is to replace.

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andymc said:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202312214...

Indeed, nice example. I do prefer leather seats which it has and love the wheels. Shame the steering wheel is in alcantara. No PPF but easily done.
Nice example. Having said this I've never had alcantara and it does seem to hold out better in the long run. I'm not of large build so have never caused any marks on leather seats. Nice car.

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I will wait till March, see whats available, pop down to a dealer and check one out, ask some questions, learn some more, have a look into the clutch wear and see how it goes. I feel I am in the right place with the vehicle. I like the 720S but depreciation kills it for me, the panel gaps also but maybe the 720s is built better than the 570s I saw. I been through Ferrari, the 812 Superfast is nice, but I cannot get away from it only being nice, ok very nice. It is very good looking but not as striking as mid engine ferrari's which I prefer. Great engine sound and luggage space is perfect for me, plenty of space I can access from inside the car and a very large rear boot. Incredibly practical but not drawn away from the aventador even getting a newer MY and longer warranty for the same price. The Ferrari that sticks out is the F8 Tributo, great looking car but do feel a few Ferrari models look very similar and you need to look. The 812 would be a newer MY, longer warranty and servicing package on some I've seen, but I look and am back taking much more interest in the aventador. Very striking looks, loud, interior seems timeless and the doors... oh the doors. I think Mclaren are out of the running and I have not asked anything about any Ferrari and dont feel the need. I dont think it will satisfy me in the same way as the aventador. The advice here has not put me off at all, if anything it has sealed it. The only thorn is the huracan as I can get an EVO with the nice LCD screen, Bristol has a 2021 for £228 which gives me a longer warranty, eased costs but no lambo doors. Could always come back to this after the aventador if everything goes well.

I feel I am there, sadly wish it was just £50k cheaper. There is a 2020 for £300, not main dealer, full alcantara interior which I am not keen on, no glass engine cover but would give me 2 years driving and resale with a warranty. Moves me up a notch at this price, could be tempted at £275 if it was the one for me with PPF. Insurance was less then I expected. I will however try to work harder and see if I can keep the car for longer but not expecting this. Well let's see... March / April will come around very quickly.

I am very grateful to those that have provided advice. Interesting to read that I should put the car in Neutral whenever possible to avoid clutch wear. Wont be launching it... ever. Have a great reputable experienced network for any work that need to be done or diagnosing any issues. Wont be burning through rubber and depending on the price will have around £50 for incidentals, if less then I will add to it as time goes on. I need to bite the bullet and work harder.

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RagingBulls said:

If you really want one now is the time to buy, Come March prices will be back in the £250k starting point. The Aventador S also blows all the other cars you have mentioned out of the water - there is no comparison at all. I suggest you go and drive them all and you'll see what I mean. The AVS is an "experience" and even just looking at it parked in the drive or garage arouses emotions not found in any other car IMHO. The single clutch experience just adds to the value of owning a real piece of Italian history with proper character. A car which you control and not a computer!

Also don't rule out cars with Alcantara. My first one was leather and my current one has the quilted colour stitched alcantara - the alcantara makes the car feel extremely special over one that has leather IMHO! They last extremely well, the alcantara game has moved on a lot and not like the older cars where they wear down like towels do!

Edited by RagingBulls on Thursday 28th December 18:32

Why would prices go back up in March? Prices are going down, not much on these cars but there is some more room for adjustment. I get that winter will be over and summer on the way but still don't see prices going up. I'm happy to take that risk and see, in the meantime the interest will also help balance out any price increase.
I'm happy to take my time and see more cars become available. I'm happy to compromise on some items but not on things such as the wheels and leather steering wheel.
If something really nice comes available in the meantime I will go for it, but the one I really like is not sold by a main dealer and does not have the wheels I like. In any case I would not want an alcantara steering wheel but may compromise on the seats. Though someone mentioned it is actually suede which is interesting, still I prefer leather. I will do this in my own time, thanks. I also need to change the doors on my garage in order to get it in! Isn't a big job, and should be able to get this done by the end of Feb.

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andrew said:

tigertiger12 said:

Indeed, nice example. I do prefer leather seats which it has and love the wheels. Shame the steering wheel is in alcantara. No PPF but easily done.
Nice example. Having said this I've never had alcantara and it does seem to hold out better in the long run. I'm not of large build so have never caused any marks on leather seats. Nice car.

that steering wheel is suede
alcantara outperforms anything : it was designed for marine, hospital and other unfriendly uses

Interesting that it is suede. It's not for me on the steering wheel though. I'm good with leather and will be able to keep it in good condition easily. It's great that alcantara or suede in this case increases grip but I wont need it for that.

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andymc said:

you are stopping steering wheel trim from buying your car? FFS get it retrimmed

Yep, I can get it retrimmed easy, I have had various works done professionally to various cars but dont wish to void a warranty.
In any case at this price I want the car to be as I want, there will be some things I cant do without and some I will compromise but the steering wheel makes little sense to get retrimmed. Chill dude.