Discussion
GRBF430F1 said:
Be interesting to see how it stacks up with the 458 Speciale. Up to now Speciale ( track car ) has been compared with 650S ( Road car )which to be fair the 650S has come out with honours
On paper the 675LT looks to have moved the benchmark on again performance wise and if they have made even greater improvements on the subjective feel elements as they have successfully achieved with the 650S v 12C its going to be totally awesome dude.
Rumoured price tag circa £300k with options and worldwide allocation of 500 sold out so if your names not down you can't come in !
Price is £280K and whatever you wish to spend with MSO - so you can easily spend way more.On paper the 675LT looks to have moved the benchmark on again performance wise and if they have made even greater improvements on the subjective feel elements as they have successfully achieved with the 650S v 12C its going to be totally awesome dude.
Rumoured price tag circa £300k with options and worldwide allocation of 500 sold out so if your names not down you can't come in !
There are some still available - the UK build allocation is full - however the take up in other markets is less committed. I think that after Geneva the limited run may well be snapped up. In fact I'm surprised that the press release came out today. My guess is that they want launch a car in Geneva that is already sold out - it isn't today.......I'll make my mind up in Geneva - and whilst I agree with some of your points GRBF430F1 - I think the rear looks great - but the rest of the car is too generically McLaren - and that may put some people off. 0-100 is 5.5 seconds is quick - but not if you put some of the options that are no cost back in (i.e. the A/C is 8.5KGs). I don't think, IMHO, that you can compare the 675LT (and the long tail is a whole 33mm longer than a 650s - so not really LT at all......) with a Speciale - i think you need to compare it with a V8 twin turbo track focused car.....
I'll make my mind up at Geneva - along with others, I'm sure.
isaldiri said:
The car comes with a fair few cf bits and the p1 style seats as standard though... not THAT much to add surely? front lifter apart which is going to be a must have I think.
...and you can option the rear lift as well - like the P1 - there is so much carbon on the rear diffuser (which will have different options too!!!!) that you wouldn't want to scrape it against a gradient/pavement/kerb - which is why the 100KG lighter figure is such horses
t, when you spec a car for the real world........polar8 said:
I wish to love a local home based supercar manufacturer, but this company continues to shaft it's own customer base.
I owned a 2011 12C and I must have been in the minority thinking the ride comfort was pretty poor. Ultimately I sold due to the awful sound it made - it had the sports exhaust but I couldn't live with the constant drone (plus the swipe door openings didn't work - especially when it's raining and everyone is looking at you, the iris system was useless, the 'upgrade' stereo system terrible).
Why does McLaren keep doing 'this car is much better than the expensive car you've just purchased three months ago' thing. And why is Alonso still in hospital if everything is 'normal'? That's a different thread.
Rant over.
I feel the same way, about supporting a British manufacturer. But already the P14, so the replacement for the MP4-12c/650/650s/675LT (and I'm sure there'll be a few more iterations before the end) is the new focus and with the P13 being launched in NYC in March, I am concerned that McLaren are not focused on releasing products that have been thoroughly developed (the P13 has had the CF monocoque changed to assist with getting in and out of the car, which to me means that it is already highlighted for change today, but without the business case to justify investment to change, remembering that the P13 will be the volume model, so needs to be as appealing as possible.....I owned a 2011 12C and I must have been in the minority thinking the ride comfort was pretty poor. Ultimately I sold due to the awful sound it made - it had the sports exhaust but I couldn't live with the constant drone (plus the swipe door openings didn't work - especially when it's raining and everyone is looking at you, the iris system was useless, the 'upgrade' stereo system terrible).
Why does McLaren keep doing 'this car is much better than the expensive car you've just purchased three months ago' thing. And why is Alonso still in hospital if everything is 'normal'? That's a different thread.
Rant over.
Edited by polar8 on Thursday 26th February 07:27
I can understand your frustrations, based on your experience and really do think McLaren need to listen to customers (or more importantly EX-customers much more closely). I have a couple of friends who are lucky enough to be ordering P1s and one friend who has taken up the P1 GTR offer. Strangely enough, their experience is very different to yours, and they get treated like royalty, a bit like Ferrari with its FXX and F1 customers as well as many other manufacturers....
Lastly, I take most things that GBRF430F1 spouts with a pinch of salt, and can not understand why he is obsessed with putting Ferrari down. As a car enthusiast, I love Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati, Aston Martin. McLaren et al. i am trying to love McLaren, but a self appointed McLaren Brand Ambassador, he is single handedly losing them sales......
Edited by Anjum on Thursday 26th February 10:54
NickOrangeTVR said:
I have one of the 500 slots for the 675 - but after getting price breakdown of the configuration I want, I am now seriously considering what else I could buy for the same money - my spec came to £295k - and for that I could buy an Aventador, a 488 GTB (with lots of spare cash) - I love McLaren for being UK and want to support them, but I feel they are massively overpricing the 675 vs the 650S. Is the rarity worth that premium?
I cancelled my order - but will order a spider in a heartbeat!Streetrod said:
I really cannot understand why you would want a spider version of the 675LT. For what is such a focused car a spider would in my eyes would look just a little limp wristed. A car like this should not if at all possible be compromised, yes I know the car would be as stiff but the added weight just seems like an odd way to go
Because I have a number of vehicles and have cars that are faster. For me, it's not just about how fast a car is on paper (I have no expectation of being able to my SV around Nurburgring in under 7 minutes, Evan if the car can...., I doubt if I could!)For me, it not about how fast someone else is able to drive the car, but about what pleasure I want out of owning a car. I take my hat off to you Streetrod, if you can take it faster around Spa or wherever, but I will not be buying this car for that reason. And , having owned the both the Aventador Coupe and the Aventador Roadster, in my opinion, why would anyone buy a new coupe?
If I really wanted a fast lap time, I'd own a real race car, as every road car is a compromise.
mattf93 said:
600 coupes, 600 roadsters or thats what I've been told... Im sure anjum will be able to clarify for us!
600 Coupes500 Roadsters
When I bought my Murci SV - they only sold 186 (I think) of the planned 350. Although it was launched. In the middle of the biggest economic meltdown in living memory
To fund a company that I built......
Anyway - back on track - I find it very disappointing that there appears to be so much ill will towards McLaren. I applaud the British car company making pretty special cars, building a new company from a standing start, creating a new platform and building a desirable luxury brand.
I say bring on the 675LT Spider. I cancelled my orders for the coupe, which I think I might have have a mistake.
So the question is are you upset because the coupe is sold out? Or do you want the car to be built in such low numbers that no-one gets to own one? Or does bringing out a separate model, admittedly a derivative of the 675LT, which in itself is a derivative of the 650, upset you because you see it as extension of the 500 Coupes? If you don't like it then cancel your order. I'm sure there will be other people to replace you.
You have to question whether the car is being bought on merit to drive around tracks or for resale value.....
Must pop in McLaren London this weekend .....
Anyway - back on track - I find it very disappointing that there appears to be so much ill will towards McLaren. I applaud the British car company making pretty special cars, building a new company from a standing start, creating a new platform and building a desirable luxury brand.
I say bring on the 675LT Spider. I cancelled my orders for the coupe, which I think I might have have a mistake.
So the question is are you upset because the coupe is sold out? Or do you want the car to be built in such low numbers that no-one gets to own one? Or does bringing out a separate model, admittedly a derivative of the 675LT, which in itself is a derivative of the 650, upset you because you see it as extension of the 500 Coupes? If you don't like it then cancel your order. I'm sure there will be other people to replace you.
You have to question whether the car is being bought on merit to drive around tracks or for resale value.....
Must pop in McLaren London this weekend .....
flemke said:
In the young life of McLaren Automotive, they have shadowed Ferrari in so many ways (market segments, pricing, track-biased version of the basic model, FXX-type programme, GT3 racing programme, "limited" editions that sprout additional, "different" editions). It would almost be surprising if McLaren were not to follow Ferrari's lead (with the 430 Scuderia Spider and 458 Speciale A) by introducing a spyder version of the 675LT.
Saying that, and especially as McLaren irritated some loyal customers by announcing the P1 GTR just after they had sold all the "ultimate" P1s, some who have ordered LTs might be rather ticked off if McLaren were to announce a spider version of the "limited edition" LT soon after the order book for the LT coupe had been filled.
Surely some of the people who have ordered LTs would prefer a spider if one were to be built and, if given the choice, would have ordered a spider and not ordered a coupe.
Perhaps worse, surely most of the people who have ordered LTs would consider a spider version to compromise the value of a build-run "limit" of 500, and there is no doubt that the limit of 500 influenced the purchase decision of some customers and in addition helped McLaren to achieve premium pricing for the car.
IINM, roughly 75-80% of normal 650S orders are for the spider version. What would happen to the value of LT coupes if there were a spider version of it? Yes, the LT's ostensible primary purpose, track driving, is more in keeping with a coupe design, but that distinction is greatly mitigated by the fact that, unlike cars with metal chassis, the spider version of the 650S does not compromise stiffness and only slightly compromises weight. Presumably the same would apply to a 675LT spider.
Insult would be added to injury if, were there to be an LT spider, it were to be announced before some clients had even taken delivery of their coupes. I believe that, more than a year from now, they will still be delivering new LTs.
Yes, strictly speaking a coupe and a spider are different things, and McLaren will be making only 500 coupes, but, if they were to announce a spider anytime soon, I know a lot of people would feel that McLaren were followng another Ferrari practice, and not a good one.
Ferrari have been able to get away with shamelessly exploiting their customers because their brand is big enough, and overall demand for their products is strong enough (and, in fairness, because their products at least in recent years have been good enough).
We all would like McLaren Automotive to enjoy the commercial success that Ferrari have done, but it will take a considerable time before that is possible. In the course of their getting there, I think we would like them to live by a higher standard than their Italian counterparts typically do.
Written on May 23. So I get where you're coming from.....Saying that, and especially as McLaren irritated some loyal customers by announcing the P1 GTR just after they had sold all the "ultimate" P1s, some who have ordered LTs might be rather ticked off if McLaren were to announce a spider version of the "limited edition" LT soon after the order book for the LT coupe had been filled.
Surely some of the people who have ordered LTs would prefer a spider if one were to be built and, if given the choice, would have ordered a spider and not ordered a coupe.
Perhaps worse, surely most of the people who have ordered LTs would consider a spider version to compromise the value of a build-run "limit" of 500, and there is no doubt that the limit of 500 influenced the purchase decision of some customers and in addition helped McLaren to achieve premium pricing for the car.
IINM, roughly 75-80% of normal 650S orders are for the spider version. What would happen to the value of LT coupes if there were a spider version of it? Yes, the LT's ostensible primary purpose, track driving, is more in keeping with a coupe design, but that distinction is greatly mitigated by the fact that, unlike cars with metal chassis, the spider version of the 650S does not compromise stiffness and only slightly compromises weight. Presumably the same would apply to a 675LT spider.
Insult would be added to injury if, were there to be an LT spider, it were to be announced before some clients had even taken delivery of their coupes. I believe that, more than a year from now, they will still be delivering new LTs.
Yes, strictly speaking a coupe and a spider are different things, and McLaren will be making only 500 coupes, but, if they were to announce a spider anytime soon, I know a lot of people would feel that McLaren were followng another Ferrari practice, and not a good one.
Ferrari have been able to get away with shamelessly exploiting their customers because their brand is big enough, and overall demand for their products is strong enough (and, in fairness, because their products at least in recent years have been good enough).
We all would like McLaren Automotive to enjoy the commercial success that Ferrari have done, but it will take a considerable time before that is possible. In the course of their getting there, I think we would like them to live by a higher standard than their Italian counterparts typically do.
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