McLaren 675LT or 765LT
Discussion
I had the opportunity to drive a 675LT back to back with a 765LT yesterday
765 was a Coupe while the 675 was a Spider.
Have driven a few 675’s but not recently, it still impresses with its overall on road composure, although no opportunity to track them side by side but will attempt this once weather improves.
The advances in the 765LT are easily apparent by just attempting to sit in it. The Monocage 2 is a big step forward for the cabin and the steering and turning circle are better. Dash is more modern but some folks may prefer the analogue of a 675LT
Both feel well planted and able to deal with the UK’s crap roads, although the 765LT is better.
Big difference is in performance, although not unexpected as the 720’s monsters the 675.
While the 3.8l 675 is a great engine the 4.0l is an improvement, particularly its torque, pulling from low revs and higher gears far better.
The 765 has staggering performance and would require SF90 power to compete.
The 765LT has taken on a new level of performance and while the 675 remains a great car in the same vein as the 458 Speciale is, a Pista and a 765 LT imo are ultimately that bit more, but at an additional price for the 765LT over the 675
765 was a Coupe while the 675 was a Spider.
Have driven a few 675’s but not recently, it still impresses with its overall on road composure, although no opportunity to track them side by side but will attempt this once weather improves.
The advances in the 765LT are easily apparent by just attempting to sit in it. The Monocage 2 is a big step forward for the cabin and the steering and turning circle are better. Dash is more modern but some folks may prefer the analogue of a 675LT
Both feel well planted and able to deal with the UK’s crap roads, although the 765LT is better.
Big difference is in performance, although not unexpected as the 720’s monsters the 675.
While the 3.8l 675 is a great engine the 4.0l is an improvement, particularly its torque, pulling from low revs and higher gears far better.
The 765 has staggering performance and would require SF90 power to compete.
The 765LT has taken on a new level of performance and while the 675 remains a great car in the same vein as the 458 Speciale is, a Pista and a 765 LT imo are ultimately that bit more, but at an additional price for the 765LT over the 675
Edited by Rocketreid on Saturday 2nd March 20:05
captainblakk said:
I’d say the difference is palpable, I had a 675, and I’d say my 765 feels more ferocious, possibly due to the lower gearing as well as the increased output, the way it rips through the gears is insane
This is my overall opinion.While I have never owned a 675, I have driven plenty and my 765LT does feel a more brutal car in comparison.
Davyt said:
765LT every time, the aging 675LT is a great car but the games moved forward, I seem to remember a Thorny Video where Mr John thought the 720s was the best car at the time, this was before he had the opportunity to drive the 765LT , if the 765LT is 10% better ( as someone has said) than the 720s then it’s a no brainer,, long live the 675LT and all the owners who sail in it,,
The 675LT has grown on me, I wasn’t particularly enamoured with its design over the newer 720s initially but it does have an enthusiastic following and I think is ageing well.Edited by Davyt on Sunday 10th March 21:00
However There’s no doubt the M840T engine is an improvement over the M838T. Massively torquey and the turbos seem to spool up better, but personal choice etc on the looks of the 2 cars, although the monocoque 2 is far easier to live with day to day and as you state the game has moved on
Edited by Rocketreid on Monday 11th March 10:38
Wheelspinning said:
I think the proof of the pudding is in how many 675 owners have kept their car for far longer than they possibly anticipated, or how many previous owners have went back to Mr Bols to source them another 675 after they sold their 675 for the latest fastest shinier 'supercar'.
The 675 is a P1 without the scary price, the horrendous battery woes or being LHD; it has the iconic Frank Stephenson design and the most satisfyingly minimalist dashboard and binnacle.
Performance wise, at 2.8 to 60, 5.6 to 100 and 7.6 to 124, speed shall only move on with EV supercars.
It also seems to be perhaps the most reliable car McLaren have made; horror stories are extremely few and far between...I couldn't actually find a post on here about corrosion, gearbox, engine, door hinges or electrical issues.
At some point, possibly within 3 years, I think the 675 shall dramatically rise in value and most likely be worth a decent bit more than a 765 based on the above.
The turnaround of 765s seems to indicate they get bought, outrageous speed sampled etc, but due to no real 'love' for the car then get moved on quickly.
Just my viewpoint.
Not sure on your facts about the 765LT turnaround, in fact I think it’s the complete opposite, folks are holding onto them with only a handful for sale at any one time, similar to the 675The 675 is a P1 without the scary price, the horrendous battery woes or being LHD; it has the iconic Frank Stephenson design and the most satisfyingly minimalist dashboard and binnacle.
Performance wise, at 2.8 to 60, 5.6 to 100 and 7.6 to 124, speed shall only move on with EV supercars.
It also seems to be perhaps the most reliable car McLaren have made; horror stories are extremely few and far between...I couldn't actually find a post on here about corrosion, gearbox, engine, door hinges or electrical issues.
At some point, possibly within 3 years, I think the 675 shall dramatically rise in value and most likely be worth a decent bit more than a 765 based on the above.
The turnaround of 765s seems to indicate they get bought, outrageous speed sampled etc, but due to no real 'love' for the car then get moved on quickly.
Just my viewpoint.
[quote=Wheelspinning]
Did you buy your 765 new or was there a previous owner(s)?
Almost every single 765 currently for sale has had at least one previous owner; some 2 or 3.
That's a turnaround in 2 years.
675s were launched in 2015.
The 675s currently for sale are on the original owner or 2nd. AB has one with 4 owners which I haven't seen before.
My '17 675 was owned by 1st owner for nearly 4 years, and me for nearly 3.
675s tend to be kept hold of.
I am the 2nd owner, and all of the 765 owners I am aware of have been owned from new.
As with all new models you get flippers and others who do not gel
The previous owner to mine sold it after owning a 720s. The 765 LT was in his words too brutal and fast.
The reality is the 765LT is ballistic which for some is too much.
The 675LT hasn’t got that ( yet to try a 765 and 675 back to back on track ) and possibly suited to more folks
Did you buy your 765 new or was there a previous owner(s)?
Almost every single 765 currently for sale has had at least one previous owner; some 2 or 3.
That's a turnaround in 2 years.
675s were launched in 2015.
The 675s currently for sale are on the original owner or 2nd. AB has one with 4 owners which I haven't seen before.
My '17 675 was owned by 1st owner for nearly 4 years, and me for nearly 3.
675s tend to be kept hold of.
I am the 2nd owner, and all of the 765 owners I am aware of have been owned from new.
As with all new models you get flippers and others who do not gel
The previous owner to mine sold it after owning a 720s. The 765 LT was in his words too brutal and fast.
The reality is the 765LT is ballistic which for some is too much.
The 675LT hasn’t got that ( yet to try a 765 and 675 back to back on track ) and possibly suited to more folks
Wheelspinning said:
Here is the thing.
If you only have a 765, you are almost certainly say its far superior, and likewise, if you only have a 675, you shall post its a better car than the newcomer.
As I have posted previously, the DP of my McLaren dealership has constant access to each of the owners cars from carbon P1 straight through to Carbon speed tail, and still says the standout all rounder is the 675.
SSO who posted earlier has had a P1, still has a Senna, 675 & 765.
He seems to rate the 675 as the go-to also.
However, I remember reading Bispals posts about his 675 back when I still had my 650, and thinking there was no way the 675 could warrant the delta between it and the 650; I was completely wrong.
Maybe the delta between the 675 and 765 is worth it....maybe not.
For myself, its a scratch that I don't feel the need to itch.
The aesthetics of the 675 do it for me all day long.
That’s all that matters really, being what you prefer, no right or wrong. Everyone has their preferences.If you only have a 765, you are almost certainly say its far superior, and likewise, if you only have a 675, you shall post its a better car than the newcomer.
As I have posted previously, the DP of my McLaren dealership has constant access to each of the owners cars from carbon P1 straight through to Carbon speed tail, and still says the standout all rounder is the 675.
SSO who posted earlier has had a P1, still has a Senna, 675 & 765.
He seems to rate the 675 as the go-to also.
However, I remember reading Bispals posts about his 675 back when I still had my 650, and thinking there was no way the 675 could warrant the delta between it and the 650; I was completely wrong.
Maybe the delta between the 675 and 765 is worth it....maybe not.
For myself, its a scratch that I don't feel the need to itch.
The aesthetics of the 675 do it for me all day long.
Some folks will prefer the newer, faster model etc albeit at an additional cost. For me the advances in the technology in the 7 series was and is important over the 6.
If I sell my 720s, it would be good to add a 675 to my 765, but as I track cars, i would like to drive a 675 at Silverstone or Donny to compare
Bispal said:
Exactly. I remember driving a 720 when they first came out. I sat in it and the interior did nothing for me, all digital, over designed with swoops and multi colours and trying too hard. I just couldn't sit in it as my eyes hurt. I appreciate that design is very subjective and many feel the other way and that's fair enough.
The 765LT is a 720s which is trying even harder. The P11 cars have an effortless, classic design & ethos which just appeals to me. Ron Dennis brief was a supercar in a Saville Row suit for the P11 cars, something you could use and wasn't 'shouty' just stylish, fast & sophisticated.
When Ron left the design and ethos changed to appeal more to Ferrari & Lamborghini owners and McLaren lost its way a little. IMHO.
Also one of the main differences between 675LT and 765LT is in the development drivers. The 675LT used Chris Goodwin and the 765LT Kenny Brack. They have very different driving styles and preferences and this is mainly why the cars feel different.
Not sure the driving styles are so different, imo it’s the advances in the technology used. Different monocoque, allowing different suspension set up, higher downforce and more powerful/torquier engine.The 765LT is a 720s which is trying even harder. The P11 cars have an effortless, classic design & ethos which just appeals to me. Ron Dennis brief was a supercar in a Saville Row suit for the P11 cars, something you could use and wasn't 'shouty' just stylish, fast & sophisticated.
When Ron left the design and ethos changed to appeal more to Ferrari & Lamborghini owners and McLaren lost its way a little. IMHO.
Also one of the main differences between 675LT and 765LT is in the development drivers. The 675LT used Chris Goodwin and the 765LT Kenny Brack. They have very different driving styles and preferences and this is mainly why the cars feel different.
Driving them back to back on road they both feel same DNA and the performance difference is there but within legal speeds not that relevant.
On track is where the 2 will differ imo, although most LT owners may never experience this but certainly should
Bispal said:
Surely it depends if you prioritise speed / performance over engagement & feedback. Following your logic we would all be raving about and driving Tesla Plaids instead of lusting after mezger engined GT3's and 458 speciale's? But yes it is all subjective and a few tenths of a second is not much when there are other variables.
Not sure of your logic there.If you have never driven a 765LT how would you know if it is more or less engaging than a 675LT ?
My limited road driving of both is they both offer high engagement and feedback
Bispal said:
You are of course right, I do need to have a go in a 765LT, however I still wouldn't own one, even if it is better,
If anyone wants to offer me a drive in a 765LT I would be more than happy to have a go
Horses for Courses and 675 owners are pretty vociferous in their defence. If anyone wants to offer me a drive in a 765LT I would be more than happy to have a go
For me the on road comparison of the 675 is it’s probably a slightly more relaxed drive although it does not quite have the 765’s composure or ballistic acceleration.
Of course it is compromised now in comparison, as older tech etc, but the P1 dna does make it a special car with character, and for those who prefer spiders a fantastic car to waft around in.
You rarely see either models tracked with any intent and for that reason a 570 or 720s is probably more suited to most folks imo.
But hey If you want to offer me yours for me to track it you could have mine on road, although I think that’s probably unlikely
Edited by Rocketreid on Friday 22 March 13:45
Wheelspinning said:
I don't track my 675, so not really a relevant comparison to myself.
For those that do, the tiny % of time they are used on the track, the very small difference in the times I doubt would be the deciding factor between buying a 675 or 765.
You are missing out ! although you may have other cars to do so.For those that do, the tiny % of time they are used on the track, the very small difference in the times I doubt would be the deciding factor between buying a 675 or 765.
My belief is the LT models can only be fully exploited and for me enjoyed by occasional tracking, it’s what they were made for but everyone to their own.
Hoping to give mine a shakedown at Silverstone this weekend so if anyone has a 675 to bring along !!!
Wheelspinning said:
You are like a broken record.
I don't know how many times it has to be stated that myself and the other 675 owners that have so far posted on here don't track the cars so the track times are of no relevance to anyone apart from you...and I am guessing you don't own one.
It's not a track biased car, as it doesn't have the traits such as a gt3rs that make it an uncomfortable daily.
It's a supercar that can be used as a daily that happens to be pretty handy on the track in its standard form.
That's what myself and other owners are putting forward; it matters not a jot about the track times you keep posting as it seems none of us track them.
But as I said before, you keep banging on about lap times if that's really important to you, but please don't draw me into your views as they do not align with mine.
Chill out chap !I don't know how many times it has to be stated that myself and the other 675 owners that have so far posted on here don't track the cars so the track times are of no relevance to anyone apart from you...and I am guessing you don't own one.
It's not a track biased car, as it doesn't have the traits such as a gt3rs that make it an uncomfortable daily.
It's a supercar that can be used as a daily that happens to be pretty handy on the track in its standard form.
That's what myself and other owners are putting forward; it matters not a jot about the track times you keep posting as it seems none of us track them.
But as I said before, you keep banging on about lap times if that's really important to you, but please don't draw me into your views as they do not align with mine.
So you don’t want to track your 675LT, fair enough. However they are LT’s and not mainstream models so it’s a fair point to mention track times etc.
Actually I think demographically owners of 675’s are not folks in their first flush, from my experience, and some will have other track focussed cars.
Some however are happy to track them, particularly on Greystone or the Pirelli days but do a few laps and then have a cappuccino.
If you enjoy your car as solely a road car, you are as stated before missing out on so much of the 675’s dna
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