Noble versus GTR
Discussion
We'll you would expect to say that there's no way to compare the two but you would be very surprised. Having now owned 3x3R's and 3 xGTR's it is surprising how similar the GTR handling feels compared to the Noble. Even at 600kgs heavier the GTR handles as if it were the same wight as the Noble. It's stopping power and change of direction feel so similar to the Noble. The only place the weight really becomes apparent is in a tight hairpin bend but even then it's not so different.
It's fair to say that the comparison is against my car with updated 620BHP output, Litchfield Bilstein bespoke suspension with anti roll bar kit and 400mm Alcon brakes but there again most of the Nobles I've had have also had upgrades!
The one big plus is the gearbox which brings the car alive and works pretty dam close my Radical SR3RS
There is nothing that hustles down the twisty bits quite like it and I would say it can cover ground at a quicker pace than the Noble, really surprises me!
If you like Nobles it's something you would certainly enjoy for sure but it needs to be on a challenging piece of Tarmac, don't make the comparison on a standard road or you may find it a little mundane.
Here's an extract from a previous Noble owner who found the same!
There are a couple of 800-900HP cars for sale with quick spooling turbos and I just can't imagine what they are like, they must defy gravity!
Not saying I wouldn't go back to another Noble as I like both cars, would just like a Noble with the gear change the GTR offers !
Try it you might be surprised.
It's fair to say that the comparison is against my car with updated 620BHP output, Litchfield Bilstein bespoke suspension with anti roll bar kit and 400mm Alcon brakes but there again most of the Nobles I've had have also had upgrades!
The one big plus is the gearbox which brings the car alive and works pretty dam close my Radical SR3RS
There is nothing that hustles down the twisty bits quite like it and I would say it can cover ground at a quicker pace than the Noble, really surprises me!
If you like Nobles it's something you would certainly enjoy for sure but it needs to be on a challenging piece of Tarmac, don't make the comparison on a standard road or you may find it a little mundane.
Here's an extract from a previous Noble owner who found the same!
There are a couple of 800-900HP cars for sale with quick spooling turbos and I just can't imagine what they are like, they must defy gravity!
Not saying I wouldn't go back to another Noble as I like both cars, would just like a Noble with the gear change the GTR offers !
Try it you might be surprised.
I've got both had 3 of each I don't need anyone to come along and explain thanks, I'm just stating what I have found! The main difference is how the GTR can use its power by laying it down particularly exiting corners whereas the Noble can't exploit or use all of what it has. I think this was very well demonstrated when Tux explained how his lap times at Spa were quicker when he ran less power. I think the wavy the GTR lays it's power down is what makes it feel like it's actually a light car!
Edited by Juno on Saturday 12th April 23:32
GTO600 said:
A friend of mine sums it up rather well saying that the Datsun is a playstation car 
I tried a couple of 400's recently and love the race car view and GT feel, both cars are great in different ways and they are still two of my favourites to own. I'm just trying to say you could be well surprised by what a sensibly tuned and well sorted GTR can offer. Let's face it in the real world without Nissan supporting it financially it has the engineering and spec of a £200K car!GTO600 said:
Having previously competed against one several times which was exceptionally well driven & quick the owner admits that if he turns the toys off it was nowhere near as quick, so l guess it's what floats your boat.
Have to admit though incredible car considering it's size.
yep that was the point, it feels 1100kgs not 1600kgs?Have to admit though incredible car considering it's size.
F.C. said:
LOL
Oh well looks pretty conclusive, pretty much what I saidhttp://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...
Mind you mine is pretty much set up as the Nismo
And 7.08 round the Ring
GTO600 said:
Adrian W said:
No, the Datsun is a very nice barge, as I have already told you in one of the other threads, go and find the EVO article, it wasn't even close.
Justin has both, maybe he will be along to explane why they are so different
A friend of mine sums it up rather well saying that the Datsun is a playstation car Justin has both, maybe he will be along to explane why they are so different
Edited by Adrian W on Saturday 12th April 23:03
QUOTE from Evo
Special mention was reserved for the suspension set-up also, especially when put against the Track Pack GT-R. Where the old car "would merrily grind your spine to pewter", Matthew found "more pliancy than you"d imagine is possible" when driving the NISMO. Like Nick at Evo, he was also at pains to stress it "this is no Playstation experience."
Think I will go and have a look for another Noble today just I'm case I get Playstationed out Lol
Edited by Juno on Sunday 13th April 10:27
Edited by Juno on Sunday 13th April 10:28
Edited by Juno on Sunday 13th April 10:28
Alpinestars said:
Spot on.
As an aside, I had an R33 many moons ago. I'd say the Nob reminded me more of that, crossed with an Elise.
Naz you live in a Land of Speed bumps and cattle grids, out in the country the GTR comes alive, why not drop all your cars off here and we can test them in the sticks ;-)As an aside, I had an R33 many moons ago. I'd say the Nob reminded me more of that, crossed with an Elise.
TuxMan said:
There is no getting away from the fact that a GTR is probably one of the fastest Road cars money can buy and without doubt would give a 10 year Noble on the road a pretty hard time , it's a great reflection on the Noble that people even compare them together .
On track it's a different story and in the wet again the GTR will run a hide but give us a dry track with a bit of tyre temp and a modified Noble will leave the GTR in its dust and keep lapping long after the GTR's front brakes and tyres have given up and gone home
Tux
Tux is right at 10 years the Noble has worn very well indeed, maybe that's it both the Noble and I are 10 years older than when we first met! I need creature comforts a my age !On track it's a different story and in the wet again the GTR will run a hide but give us a dry track with a bit of tyre temp and a modified Noble will leave the GTR in its dust and keep lapping long after the GTR's front brakes and tyres have given up and gone home
Tux
Alpinestars said:
Spot on.
As an aside, I had an R33 many moons ago. I'd say the Nob reminded me more of that, crossed with an Elise.
Off course Naz I am also talking about a very tricked up GTR, Wheels and Tyres Package, Suspension, Brakes, Anti Roll Bars, ECU, Exhaust,Gearbox Software so somewhat different to a standard GTR, Aero Package so pretty much a Nismo really!As an aside, I had an R33 many moons ago. I'd say the Nob reminded me more of that, crossed with an Elise.
SaucyBoy said:
Hey Juno mate that comment from the start of the thread looks very familiar lol ; )
Yes peeps that was me that stated that it's just as fun and I'll stick by that. I adored the noble for 3 years and loved the nobility factor and being part of the social side. Best of all meeting Matt and Dave at the beginning of jet stream Motorsport. The GTR is a massive barge and you would think they are poles apart when it comes to fun etc but nothing could be further from the thruth. Well that's the case for me anyway.
Ok so mines not standard but she really does give me the biggest grin and is rarely going straight lol. Got to say that was my biggest surprise when I bought her. The rear end really likes to move around and having that gearbox to short shift whilst sliding (Yeah I know bad habit) is a lot of fun.
Anyways, love them both. Hope all I know on here are well and still enjoying their motors. Hopefully I can catch up with some of you during the various ph meets through out this year.
Laters
SB
+1 Yes gearbox is awesome for sure but not so sure about sliding Yes peeps that was me that stated that it's just as fun and I'll stick by that. I adored the noble for 3 years and loved the nobility factor and being part of the social side. Best of all meeting Matt and Dave at the beginning of jet stream Motorsport. The GTR is a massive barge and you would think they are poles apart when it comes to fun etc but nothing could be further from the thruth. Well that's the case for me anyway.
Ok so mines not standard but she really does give me the biggest grin and is rarely going straight lol. Got to say that was my biggest surprise when I bought her. The rear end really likes to move around and having that gearbox to short shift whilst sliding (Yeah I know bad habit) is a lot of fun.
Anyways, love them both. Hope all I know on here are well and still enjoying their motors. Hopefully I can catch up with some of you during the various ph meets through out this year.
Laters
SB
LolHollowpockets said:
Understand it's great as a road car and capable on track, I drove a 620bhp 2013 car on country roads and used launch control etc. very clever machine and drove well even if a little wooden in the corners but after I got out, I felt nothing for it.
I've been up against a dozen of these on track (yes my car is beyond a road going Noble) but big horsepower 700bhp cars couldn't stay with me on 500bhp, if you could get one down to 1200kg it would be a serious weapon though.
Yes 1200kg would be nice, think we are there but it's going to cost a fortune !I've been up against a dozen of these on track (yes my car is beyond a road going Noble) but big horsepower 700bhp cars couldn't stay with me on 500bhp, if you could get one down to 1200kg it would be a serious weapon though.
The upgraded suspension takes the coldness away for sure, big difference
Gadgeroonie said:
Sounds like the racelogic traction control system would work wonders on some of the bigger power Nobles
this is one of my favorite cars -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4e3GoxZYIY#t=180
then this when he finds out it is running only half boost !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4e3GoxZYIY#t=489
love this video, full boost is hilarious !this is one of my favorite cars -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4e3GoxZYIY#t=180
then this when he finds out it is running only half boost !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4e3GoxZYIY#t=489
andygtt said:
Gadgeroonie said:
Sounds like the racelogic traction control system would work wonders on some of the bigger power Nobles
there are few with bigger power than mine, and whilst I have traction control built into the ECU and activated, I haven't set it up yet as it simply doesn't need it if the track is dry.... GTO600 has found exactly the same.... I've never found the car was faster on low boost than high.Ive been on track in a 750bhp GTR, it was close to being to as fast in a straight line as my noble when mine was 600bhp (wasn't quite thought), but my noble would have left it on track.... so the GTR's must be the most painfully slow cars on track imaginable, can you confirm Juno?
BTW I love the GTR, they are genuine monsters imo,
Edited by andygtt on Tuesday 15th April 08:46
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tJKwm5JedWI
Chapppers said:
The question is, has Juno actually owned a car long enough to get to know it, or does he buy them just so he can come on here and tell us how much better they are than Nobles?
How long did you own your latest 3R? Seems like it's been about 2 months.
Chappers you should have been Quicker if you wanted to buy it, too late now you will have to wait How long did you own your latest 3R? Seems like it's been about 2 months.
So to answer you question I have spent about 4 years as an actual Noble owner over the 3 cars I have owned!
Regards
Juno
macky17 said:
Owned a gtr for 6 months and was deeply impressed. However, it lacks the sense of occasion of strapping yourself into a noble for me and was only really fun from about 8 tenths (that's 8 of my tenths so maybe about six of someone who can actually drive). Potter around and you could be in a golf which is not what I wanted from a weekend toy. As a daily, however, it would be epic. Noble fun before you even start the engine. Don't care which is faster around the sausage ring.
Yep Noble is always a special place to sit and be, I love them that's why I've had three so far Was that two laps of the Sausage Ring ?
Alpinestars said:
Oh Dear LolLooks like GTR needs upgrading like mine
If you want to go quick then this is how to do it properly
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AYmD2MMxvzM&featu...
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