Single Seater Road Legal
Discussion
I am looking for a project to build this year.
Built a number of 7 copies currently finishing another TJ Locost with Alfa mechanics and a rebuild of a 1340 Midas Turbo.
Started with kit cars on a Typhoon in 1966 still building the things. Its my kind of fun.
The Chris Gibbs book seems to have gone missing?
I want a really quick single seater fully road legal in line Ford Duratec with throttle bodies perhaps?
Had a Moss Monaco but the Herald chassis was inappropriate for any power.
Would converting an existing racer be the answer?
Has anyone actually got one?
Any ideas would be most appreciated
Built a number of 7 copies currently finishing another TJ Locost with Alfa mechanics and a rebuild of a 1340 Midas Turbo.
Started with kit cars on a Typhoon in 1966 still building the things. Its my kind of fun.
The Chris Gibbs book seems to have gone missing?
I want a really quick single seater fully road legal in line Ford Duratec with throttle bodies perhaps?
Had a Moss Monaco but the Herald chassis was inappropriate for any power.
Would converting an existing racer be the answer?
Has anyone actually got one?
Any ideas would be most appreciated
Many thanks to all the responders. I admire several of the designs.
However I do not intend to spend big money (8000++) on what should be essentially an cheaper smaller and easier car to build with less bodywork less metal and less trim than a standard Haynes/Chapmam roadster.
My budget for this project is about £5000 all up I am a retired accountant and costs are close to my heart.
I intend to build this actual car this year!
I can buy a complete set of bodywork for a Haynes/Chapman roadster for about £750. I can source several good chassis sets complete for the same type of car for £750.
I have bought a twin cam Focus ( scrap) for £350 complete. Instruments Discs etc engine drive train etc should therefore be available. Target weight is about 400 Kilos or very very light for a car. BUT it is a single seater.
Throttle bodies on the engine + remapping and a much better breathing system should give a useful output. If the car handles (or when the car handles) properly I have a Duratec breathed on by another racing contact producing 225BHP at the flywheel.
With 400 kilos this should be something over 500 BHP per ton which, in a single seater, should be quite enough for an old duffer like me.
Several contacts of mine in the Kit car Industry (mechanical engineers not accountants) have offered twin wishbone coil over shock set ups purpose made assemblies to suit the light weight, spring rates etc for £500 complete all round.
What I am desperate for is a concept. A designer with ideas. A really good looking single seater which meets the DVLA requirements light height etc.
I am not a Designer and can never be. I am really looking for an existing body for which I can the fettle the chassis to fit and off we jolly well go!
Alternatively I could look at a motorcycle set up but I have found that the clutch and transmission in these cases when fitted to a car are unreliable and fragile. I havce yet to see a reliable usable set up with motorcycle bits.
Once again many thanks any more ideas please Steffan Hughes
However I do not intend to spend big money (8000++) on what should be essentially an cheaper smaller and easier car to build with less bodywork less metal and less trim than a standard Haynes/Chapmam roadster.
My budget for this project is about £5000 all up I am a retired accountant and costs are close to my heart.
I intend to build this actual car this year!
I can buy a complete set of bodywork for a Haynes/Chapman roadster for about £750. I can source several good chassis sets complete for the same type of car for £750.
I have bought a twin cam Focus ( scrap) for £350 complete. Instruments Discs etc engine drive train etc should therefore be available. Target weight is about 400 Kilos or very very light for a car. BUT it is a single seater.
Throttle bodies on the engine + remapping and a much better breathing system should give a useful output. If the car handles (or when the car handles) properly I have a Duratec breathed on by another racing contact producing 225BHP at the flywheel.
With 400 kilos this should be something over 500 BHP per ton which, in a single seater, should be quite enough for an old duffer like me.
Several contacts of mine in the Kit car Industry (mechanical engineers not accountants) have offered twin wishbone coil over shock set ups purpose made assemblies to suit the light weight, spring rates etc for £500 complete all round.
What I am desperate for is a concept. A designer with ideas. A really good looking single seater which meets the DVLA requirements light height etc.
I am not a Designer and can never be. I am really looking for an existing body for which I can the fettle the chassis to fit and off we jolly well go!
Alternatively I could look at a motorcycle set up but I have found that the clutch and transmission in these cases when fitted to a car are unreliable and fragile. I havce yet to see a reliable usable set up with motorcycle bits.
Once again many thanks any more ideas please Steffan Hughes
Lovely car but are they actually street legal? Magnificent but Roadworthy??
I doubt that in the form shown they can be: where for example are the lights?
As far as I know the IVA requirements will not allow unlit vehicles.
No lights = not roadworthy. Quite apart from any other consideration.
Equally the 'plates' do not comply. Does the car actually have IVA approval?
I do appreciate all the comments and those of Sam 68 in particular which are detailed. I entirely accept the helpful advice on weight difficulties. Looks like the motorcycle route may be the best way forward but I am very doubtful of the longevity of the clutch in use on cars.
I am genuinely surprised no one has yet put forward a car that actually looks like it might comply. I am not a technical man but even I can see obvious non compliance in the majority of the cars suggested.
There are classic single seaters that might comply but I really fancy something that is ultra modern lightweight but can be truly roadworthy. I do not want to be a test case for the police to pursue. I want the car I build to definitely comply with the construction and use legislation.
Anyone got any more suggestions please.
I doubt that in the form shown they can be: where for example are the lights?
As far as I know the IVA requirements will not allow unlit vehicles.
No lights = not roadworthy. Quite apart from any other consideration.
Equally the 'plates' do not comply. Does the car actually have IVA approval?
I do appreciate all the comments and those of Sam 68 in particular which are detailed. I entirely accept the helpful advice on weight difficulties. Looks like the motorcycle route may be the best way forward but I am very doubtful of the longevity of the clutch in use on cars.
I am genuinely surprised no one has yet put forward a car that actually looks like it might comply. I am not a technical man but even I can see obvious non compliance in the majority of the cars suggested.
There are classic single seaters that might comply but I really fancy something that is ultra modern lightweight but can be truly roadworthy. I do not want to be a test case for the police to pursue. I want the car I build to definitely comply with the construction and use legislation.
Anyone got any more suggestions please.
What an excellent and helpful crop of comments and suggestion.
Really helpful I am learning all the time from this correspondence which is exactly what I hoped an enquiry would produce.
From all the observations particularly with regard to weight I can see that a Bike engine/lightweight chassis is the way to go.
Very interested in the Furore cars I will contact the factory and take a visit.
My comments below are NOT intended as a criticism of these cars and I am sure these are excellent well designed products.
However on the point of legal road use the plates shown on the photo provided by Colin on the Furore surely do not comply with the construction and use regulations.
In my view these plates are angled at about 45 degrees to the vertical. This simply does not meet the acid test. They will be unreadable by cameras etc and there is no way this complies. Whilst in an effort to be reasonable the examiner may overlook a plate that is not be 100% vertical I just cannot see these being actually legal.
I am sure we all know cars which are on the road with illegal exhausts modifications and alterations which have not been approved by the DVLA. It would seem a fair few enthusiasts simply do not tell the DVLA when they change bodies/engines/etc.
I want DVLA approval on my project when finished. I attract sufficient attention already when driving because of the cars I drive and my driving style (??). I do not want further attention.
Incidentally the plate on the photos does not exist in the DVLA database.
I wonder why this is?
My project must be street legal and I do not think these plates as shown are legally sited as they show in the photo.
On the Bike engined advantages I take the points made on board and I am seriously looking at this as the way forward.
Many thanks again for the comments. Has anyone seen a single seater old style racer kit I think that might be a good starting point.
The BODY is the problem I can source a chassis and suspension to fit any body but I need the panels for a project
Thanks again
Steffan
Really helpful I am learning all the time from this correspondence which is exactly what I hoped an enquiry would produce.
From all the observations particularly with regard to weight I can see that a Bike engine/lightweight chassis is the way to go.
Very interested in the Furore cars I will contact the factory and take a visit.
My comments below are NOT intended as a criticism of these cars and I am sure these are excellent well designed products.
However on the point of legal road use the plates shown on the photo provided by Colin on the Furore surely do not comply with the construction and use regulations.
In my view these plates are angled at about 45 degrees to the vertical. This simply does not meet the acid test. They will be unreadable by cameras etc and there is no way this complies. Whilst in an effort to be reasonable the examiner may overlook a plate that is not be 100% vertical I just cannot see these being actually legal.
I am sure we all know cars which are on the road with illegal exhausts modifications and alterations which have not been approved by the DVLA. It would seem a fair few enthusiasts simply do not tell the DVLA when they change bodies/engines/etc.
I want DVLA approval on my project when finished. I attract sufficient attention already when driving because of the cars I drive and my driving style (??). I do not want further attention.
Incidentally the plate on the photos does not exist in the DVLA database.
I wonder why this is?
My project must be street legal and I do not think these plates as shown are legally sited as they show in the photo.
On the Bike engined advantages I take the points made on board and I am seriously looking at this as the way forward.
Many thanks again for the comments. Has anyone seen a single seater old style racer kit I think that might be a good starting point.
The BODY is the problem I can source a chassis and suspension to fit any body but I need the panels for a project
Thanks again
Steffan
Looking for Roadrunner on the web I came across this
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Suggests to me the Roadrunner ERA project is unavailable.
Anybody know different?
Once again thanks for the advice.
I take the point on the practicalities of post IVA use and I will see how it goes.
As yet though I have not found a shape/body I am totally happy with and I am still hoping someone knows an existing car that looks reasonable and can actually be bought as a body kit?
Any help would be much appreciated Thanks Steffan
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Suggests to me the Roadrunner ERA project is unavailable.
Anybody know different?
Once again thanks for the advice.
I take the point on the practicalities of post IVA use and I will see how it goes.
As yet though I have not found a shape/body I am totally happy with and I am still hoping someone knows an existing car that looks reasonable and can actually be bought as a body kit?
Any help would be much appreciated Thanks Steffan
I think absolutely excellent post Russ.
You have already answered my next questions without me asking. Well done.
Your bodywork is most certainly of interest and I would like to discuss and view ASAP. My email is Lanciapc@hotmail.com if you could update me with your contact info please.
You are quite right about the Roadrunner it seems to be a dead duck.
The ERA is clearly outside my budget.
I look forward to taking a look at your panels and I am sure I can find a use for them.
Regards
Steffan Hughes
You have already answered my next questions without me asking. Well done.
Your bodywork is most certainly of interest and I would like to discuss and view ASAP. My email is Lanciapc@hotmail.com if you could update me with your contact info please.
You are quite right about the Roadrunner it seems to be a dead duck.
The ERA is clearly outside my budget.
I look forward to taking a look at your panels and I am sure I can find a use for them.
Regards
Steffan Hughes
All very informative and interesting.
I really think we are getting somewhere.
Clearly I need to review the Formua Vee opportunities, look at the Lotus Reynard possibilities and chew over the possibility of using another former racer.
One thing is crystal clear most of the contributors have a great deal of knowledge and this is most useful advice. My thanks to everyone.
If anyone has direct knowledge of a racer for sale or a body set that is available I would appreciate the contact information.
Equally if anyone can suggest a car which might be used as a base I would be most grateful.
Any more ideas are always welcome!!
I really think we are getting somewhere.
Clearly I need to review the Formua Vee opportunities, look at the Lotus Reynard possibilities and chew over the possibility of using another former racer.
One thing is crystal clear most of the contributors have a great deal of knowledge and this is most useful advice. My thanks to everyone.
If anyone has direct knowledge of a racer for sale or a body set that is available I would appreciate the contact information.
Equally if anyone can suggest a car which might be used as a base I would be most grateful.
Any more ideas are always welcome!!
Once again an excellent range of observations and ideas. Most helpful.
I will contact the various racing suggestions but I do want to hold this to my budget.
I have sourced a 1200 cc Kawasaki which is now my main hope for a drive source. Lightweight and diminutive should fit the bill.
I have also been looking closely at the Samio bodies on Ebay and the Fiorino bodies both of which were designed to fit the Triumph Herald.
I AM NOT USING A HERALD CHASSIS transverse leaf with power NOT a good idea. I am sourcing a square tube chassis to fit this car with the Kawasaki engine and box a purpose made diff and double wishbone all round etc using Ford components brakes etc.
Engine position has yet to be determined but I do think I can build this and come close to my budget.
I am also looking at the ex racing cars but finding one without suicidal ground clearance is proving tricky. However use of higher profile tyres and ultralight components may obviate the grounding problem. Or it may not!
Any more idea's?
I will contact the various racing suggestions but I do want to hold this to my budget.
I have sourced a 1200 cc Kawasaki which is now my main hope for a drive source. Lightweight and diminutive should fit the bill.
I have also been looking closely at the Samio bodies on Ebay and the Fiorino bodies both of which were designed to fit the Triumph Herald.
I AM NOT USING A HERALD CHASSIS transverse leaf with power NOT a good idea. I am sourcing a square tube chassis to fit this car with the Kawasaki engine and box a purpose made diff and double wishbone all round etc using Ford components brakes etc.
Engine position has yet to be determined but I do think I can build this and come close to my budget.
I am also looking at the ex racing cars but finding one without suicidal ground clearance is proving tricky. However use of higher profile tyres and ultralight components may obviate the grounding problem. Or it may not!
Any more idea's?
I feel like a child in a sweet shop with all these suggestions and observations and I thank everyone for their contributions, some of which have been quite outstanding.
Despite forty years experience with kit cars I am in the happy position of learning something every day and whilst I do not agree with every opinion there are some seriously knowledgeable individuals contributing to this discussion.
The 10 year rule does appear to be a fact. Racing cars with proven history clearly can be on the road without IVA subject to the satisfaction of the DVLA. My experience with re registering classic cars that have dropped off the system is that if you have sufficient paperwork the DVLA are actually quite helpful.
Just one niggle at the back of my mind. Racing cars are often modified in use as a result of crashes, engine changes, chassis modifications etc. I have an idea that in order to qualify the 10 year+old chassis has to be IN THE ORIGINAL FORM.
If I am right then I think many cars will not actually qualify because the original form has been altered with time and use.
Perhaps one of the real experts on this particular field (I am not) could give us chapter and verse.
Certainly from what I can see the Ebay project http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Monopin-Famous-Single-Seater...
Does seem a real possibility although work would be needed to the ride height etc quite apart from the obvious lighting/body/safety aspects that would need to be addressed.
But if this gives a starting point of a running car there has to be mileage in it. I cannot think its possible to build a car like this to the stage its at for anywhere near the asking price let alone the actual price paid.
Despite forty years experience with kit cars I am in the happy position of learning something every day and whilst I do not agree with every opinion there are some seriously knowledgeable individuals contributing to this discussion.
The 10 year rule does appear to be a fact. Racing cars with proven history clearly can be on the road without IVA subject to the satisfaction of the DVLA. My experience with re registering classic cars that have dropped off the system is that if you have sufficient paperwork the DVLA are actually quite helpful.
Just one niggle at the back of my mind. Racing cars are often modified in use as a result of crashes, engine changes, chassis modifications etc. I have an idea that in order to qualify the 10 year+old chassis has to be IN THE ORIGINAL FORM.
If I am right then I think many cars will not actually qualify because the original form has been altered with time and use.
Perhaps one of the real experts on this particular field (I am not) could give us chapter and verse.
Certainly from what I can see the Ebay project http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Monopin-Famous-Single-Seater...
Does seem a real possibility although work would be needed to the ride height etc quite apart from the obvious lighting/body/safety aspects that would need to be addressed.
But if this gives a starting point of a running car there has to be mileage in it. I cannot think its possible to build a car like this to the stage its at for anywhere near the asking price let alone the actual price paid.
I am really pleased other Pistonheads readers find this interesting.
Yes I have seen the Dtmpower details and very interesting they are but unfortunately I don't think Furore are still making this car.
Currently chasing two possible sources but PLEASE DO keep the ideas flowing!
I want to source this project and have it in my hands ready to build by late March at the latest. Three month build (I can now do this full time subject to approval from SWMBO) and two months sorting + IVA/Histric registration depending on which project I choose, should give me a car that is usable this summer. THATS THE PLAN.
I HOPE!!!!!
Yes I have seen the Dtmpower details and very interesting they are but unfortunately I don't think Furore are still making this car.
Currently chasing two possible sources but PLEASE DO keep the ideas flowing!
I want to source this project and have it in my hands ready to build by late March at the latest. Three month build (I can now do this full time subject to approval from SWMBO) and two months sorting + IVA/Histric registration depending on which project I choose, should give me a car that is usable this summer. THATS THE PLAN.
I HOPE!!!!!
I appreciate all the advice.
I have spoken to VOSA and two kit car manufacturers whom I know well and are very helpful all of whom maintain in common with a number of contributors that the 10 year rule does not apply to UK cars never intended for road use and not suitable for the road in the UK.
Upon consideration I am inclined to agree that this rule is only meant to apply to grey imports and the like which were built for use on the road.
In just the same way as the DVLA are now seeking to outlaw older kit cars that were never registered properly and insist on IVA issuing VOR notices to the offenders they spot, I can see real problems with this route to getting a single seater on the road.
I cannot see an out and out racer which was only ever built for the track being allowed on the road because its 10 years old.
I am sure we have all seen Kit Cars registered as something very odd like the Ginetta G27 I saw on Ebay. That was a in fact a Robin Hood and not a very good one at that. No way it was or ever had been or indeed had any connection with a Ginetta apart from a made up chassis plate and the Ginetta V5 to match.
I also spotted a Dutton which was in fact a Jago Roadster Hot Road.
I have personally built several Dutton's and Robin Hoods including a Phaeton a Melos and a Legera in the past. There is NO WAY this car had any connection with a Dutton wrong body, wrong chassis, wrong drive train it was a fake.
I think any car registered in this way will be stopped as soon as someone in authority spots it on the road. In fact both the kit car manufacturers, who get involved in trying to help customers in difficulty with wrongly registered cars, quoted cases where just that happened and off the road those cars went.
I am too fat to hide behind lamp posts and I will be building the car from scratch. I do not want pulling over every 5 miles.
Lets be sensible, anyone with knowledge of kit cars knows of these cases and I agree with the correspondents who say 'no chance' its got to be right.
The only possibility is where a car HAS been on the road in the past GENUINELY. There I think there may be a case but with the out and out racers I think it is unrealistic. Furthermore I think real paperwork definitely proving the previous use will be essential. A story and a happy smile is not going to do it I am afraid.
So onward and upward any more suggestions please.
I have spoken to VOSA and two kit car manufacturers whom I know well and are very helpful all of whom maintain in common with a number of contributors that the 10 year rule does not apply to UK cars never intended for road use and not suitable for the road in the UK.
Upon consideration I am inclined to agree that this rule is only meant to apply to grey imports and the like which were built for use on the road.
In just the same way as the DVLA are now seeking to outlaw older kit cars that were never registered properly and insist on IVA issuing VOR notices to the offenders they spot, I can see real problems with this route to getting a single seater on the road.
I cannot see an out and out racer which was only ever built for the track being allowed on the road because its 10 years old.
I am sure we have all seen Kit Cars registered as something very odd like the Ginetta G27 I saw on Ebay. That was a in fact a Robin Hood and not a very good one at that. No way it was or ever had been or indeed had any connection with a Ginetta apart from a made up chassis plate and the Ginetta V5 to match.
I also spotted a Dutton which was in fact a Jago Roadster Hot Road.
I have personally built several Dutton's and Robin Hoods including a Phaeton a Melos and a Legera in the past. There is NO WAY this car had any connection with a Dutton wrong body, wrong chassis, wrong drive train it was a fake.
I think any car registered in this way will be stopped as soon as someone in authority spots it on the road. In fact both the kit car manufacturers, who get involved in trying to help customers in difficulty with wrongly registered cars, quoted cases where just that happened and off the road those cars went.
I am too fat to hide behind lamp posts and I will be building the car from scratch. I do not want pulling over every 5 miles.
Lets be sensible, anyone with knowledge of kit cars knows of these cases and I agree with the correspondents who say 'no chance' its got to be right.
The only possibility is where a car HAS been on the road in the past GENUINELY. There I think there may be a case but with the out and out racers I think it is unrealistic. Furthermore I think real paperwork definitely proving the previous use will be essential. A story and a happy smile is not going to do it I am afraid.
So onward and upward any more suggestions please.
Firstly with regard to the Furore you are correct in that the maker is a very pleasant chap but he tells me the car is no longer available I do not know why.
Secondly best of luck to the chap building the racer into a road version.
You may well be right.
In my profession (accountant) I was always looking at the letter of the law. The whole of tax avoidance is based on the detail of each case.
It seems to me that this may be a matter if interpretation. The proof as you rightly say is in the registration of the car. If you get it through without IVA we will all be following you buying racers in all directions because this will be a major saving over IVA.
Good luck to you if you do succeed telL everyone PLEASE.
Secondly best of luck to the chap building the racer into a road version.
You may well be right.
In my profession (accountant) I was always looking at the letter of the law. The whole of tax avoidance is based on the detail of each case.
It seems to me that this may be a matter if interpretation. The proof as you rightly say is in the registration of the car. If you get it through without IVA we will all be following you buying racers in all directions because this will be a major saving over IVA.
Good luck to you if you do succeed telL everyone PLEASE.
I agree with Furybladelee I cant see this as a means of wholesale IVA avoidance.
I also appreciate if the rule is interpreted this way then the Farm tractors ride on mowers etc are the next step to easy IVA avoidance.
I have already alluded to the Locost registered as a Dutton, Robin Hood registered as a Ginetta etc etc. They certainly will not past scrutiny.
My pals in the Kitcar game can list case after case where they have had enquiries from owners of non complying kit cars where VOR notices have been issued on the spot for these obvious fakes by the police.
And I have certain knowledge that most of cars these have subsequently been scrapped because the cost of meeting IVA is just too high on an old kit car.
There must be more to this rule than we have found as yet: can anyone help with the detail?
And as other contributors have said how do you prove the age of a racing car?
Must be very difficult in the absence of a Log Book and Chassis plate and surely most racers have neither.
Just what do the DVLA want in proof?
MORE CONTRIBUTIONS NEEDED PLEASE!!
I also appreciate if the rule is interpreted this way then the Farm tractors ride on mowers etc are the next step to easy IVA avoidance.
I have already alluded to the Locost registered as a Dutton, Robin Hood registered as a Ginetta etc etc. They certainly will not past scrutiny.
My pals in the Kitcar game can list case after case where they have had enquiries from owners of non complying kit cars where VOR notices have been issued on the spot for these obvious fakes by the police.
And I have certain knowledge that most of cars these have subsequently been scrapped because the cost of meeting IVA is just too high on an old kit car.
There must be more to this rule than we have found as yet: can anyone help with the detail?
And as other contributors have said how do you prove the age of a racing car?
Must be very difficult in the absence of a Log Book and Chassis plate and surely most racers have neither.
Just what do the DVLA want in proof?
MORE CONTRIBUTIONS NEEDED PLEASE!!
Not as yet I was hoping some Pistonheads buff would have the answer,
On balance it seems unlikely that the DVLA would accept any old racer unless there was real detailed evidence and provenance. Seems too easy.
But that is supposition on my part I will keep researching and I invite any comments please
On balance it seems unlikely that the DVLA would accept any old racer unless there was real detailed evidence and provenance. Seems too easy.
But that is supposition on my part I will keep researching and I invite any comments please
Sadly I had a trip (regrettably not on LSD etc) landed backwards on my head on concrete a while back this year and fractured my skull. The manager of Wilkinson's was very upset at the mess I made of his display.
As a result my driving etc has been restricted temporarily as I have been in hospital and convalescing. I thought the Neurosurgeon was a bit unkind with his quip that it was a good job I had no sense before the accident but I know him of old. Where there is no sense....
In consequence I am still unable to get about as I did but improving. I will be back on the next kit car project by the end on this month.
The latest offerings described by others on this thread are excellent efforts but the latest efforts by Stig Mills have captured my attention currently.
I admire the energy of the man and the latest MEVX5 rocket converting the MX5 into a real racing car (NOTHING AGAINST MX5's!!!!!).
The cost/benefit ratio seems right to me.
I am an Accountant (Retd)(even MORE parsimonious!!) and the value for money this product offers seems to be head and shoulders above the other kits currently available.
Plus one donor cars retaining the chassis avoids IVA which is another major saving. In this case I also think it creates an exceptionally good car. I genuinely believe the figures produced by Mr Mills and I think at £2500 has to be the cheapest and most harmonious kit car I have seen for a long long time. Just remember the reality of IVA is £1000 additional cost because so few cars pass first time AS I KNOW TO MY COST AAARRRGGHH!
The Coupe looks the part too: I assume the doors are the MX5 modded and I really think on balance I am inevitably drawn to these cars.
Naturally I have no connection with the MEV firm at all I have never, as yet, had the pleasure of meeting the man.
But, by God, I admire the products and product value.
As a result my driving etc has been restricted temporarily as I have been in hospital and convalescing. I thought the Neurosurgeon was a bit unkind with his quip that it was a good job I had no sense before the accident but I know him of old. Where there is no sense....
In consequence I am still unable to get about as I did but improving. I will be back on the next kit car project by the end on this month.
The latest offerings described by others on this thread are excellent efforts but the latest efforts by Stig Mills have captured my attention currently.
I admire the energy of the man and the latest MEVX5 rocket converting the MX5 into a real racing car (NOTHING AGAINST MX5's!!!!!).
The cost/benefit ratio seems right to me.
I am an Accountant (Retd)(even MORE parsimonious!!) and the value for money this product offers seems to be head and shoulders above the other kits currently available.
Plus one donor cars retaining the chassis avoids IVA which is another major saving. In this case I also think it creates an exceptionally good car. I genuinely believe the figures produced by Mr Mills and I think at £2500 has to be the cheapest and most harmonious kit car I have seen for a long long time. Just remember the reality of IVA is £1000 additional cost because so few cars pass first time AS I KNOW TO MY COST AAARRRGGHH!
The Coupe looks the part too: I assume the doors are the MX5 modded and I really think on balance I am inevitably drawn to these cars.
Naturally I have no connection with the MEV firm at all I have never, as yet, had the pleasure of meeting the man.
But, by God, I admire the products and product value.
ceebmoj said:
ceebmoj said:
Was looking at an interesting web pay the other day. Where a guy in the UK had built and was selling a 60's F1 styled with an American V8 in the back looked very nice. there was even an option to have false rivets moulded in to the body work so it all looked period. however I cant find the link now has any body else seen it.
Found it again www.f1-67.com
Lovely looking car and one I would love to own However I think that the car shown on the link cannot be road legal for various reasons.
Lighting, and wing protection over tyres being but two of many apparent IVA failures.
My interest is in a Road Legal car.
I have contacted the site know doubt they will respond.
I cannot see how this car could be successfully got through IVA.
Maybe others can.
I will update the info as soon as I have it
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