Another Sad example of money not talent buying rides.....!
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Jesus - the junior Mansell's have done Sod all in the mnor categories.
He should get them out doing real jobs (if they had should skill and been regular top 3 racers, all well and good but far from it iN BMW and F3).
Laughable. But typical.
I rate Mansell but the shine wears thin when he pushes his no hope sons this far.
Jesus - the junior Mansell's have done Sod all in the mnor categories.
He should get them out doing real jobs (if they had should skill and been regular top 3 racers, all well and good but far from it iN BMW and F3).
Laughable. But typical.
I rate Mansell but the shine wears thin when he pushes his no hope sons this far.
Make me sick - you have to believe half of the people in professional Motorsport are only there due to daddies cash and that there alot more inherently faster people out there not getting the chances.
Obviously exception (ALOT) - but it would wind me up racing against them - well at least they'd be behind.
How do they have anyself respect.
Off to ask my father for a few 100 grand..................
Obviously exception (ALOT) - but it would wind me up racing against them - well at least they'd be behind.
How do they have anyself respect.
Off to ask my father for a few 100 grand..................
stockhatcher said:
i think you are being both a bit hard on the mansells and a bit naive about motorsport and the world in general.
leo and greg had little or no racing experience before taking to cars, that puts you at a disadvantage to those who have done 10 years of karting, not withstanding who your dad is. equally when you look at something like fbmw you can see that the grid is full of kids with rich daddies, so i don't see that the mansells are in anyway different.
as for money taking a big decision in who drives where, this has always been the case and i am of the opinion that being a good(ace) driver does not mean you are more deserving of a drive than a plodder who's worked hard for his cash and bought the drive. think johnny herbert to damon hill.
motorsport reflects life quite well, anyone whose worked in a big business long enough to see personnel changes will be often left scratching their head as to how someone so incompetant can be promoted above them.... its mainly because they have other skills that are more or just as relevant as doing a good job -like an ability to build relationships with 'da management'
just my tuppence worth
Cobblersleo and greg had little or no racing experience before taking to cars, that puts you at a disadvantage to those who have done 10 years of karting, not withstanding who your dad is. equally when you look at something like fbmw you can see that the grid is full of kids with rich daddies, so i don't see that the mansells are in anyway different.
as for money taking a big decision in who drives where, this has always been the case and i am of the opinion that being a good(ace) driver does not mean you are more deserving of a drive than a plodder who's worked hard for his cash and bought the drive. think johnny herbert to damon hill.
motorsport reflects life quite well, anyone whose worked in a big business long enough to see personnel changes will be often left scratching their head as to how someone so incompetant can be promoted above them.... its mainly because they have other skills that are more or just as relevant as doing a good job -like an ability to build relationships with 'da management'
just my tuppence worth
NightDriver said:
stockhatcher said:
i think you are being both a bit hard on the mansells and a bit naive about motorsport and the world in general.
leo and greg had little or no racing experience before taking to cars, that puts you at a disadvantage to those who have done 10 years of karting, not withstanding who your dad is. equally when you look at something like fbmw you can see that the grid is full of kids with rich daddies, so i don't see that the mansells are in anyway different.
as for money taking a big decision in who drives where, this has always been the case and i am of the opinion that being a good(ace) driver does not mean you are more deserving of a drive than a plodder who's worked hard for his cash and bought the drive. think johnny herbert to damon hill.
motorsport reflects life quite well, anyone whose worked in a big business long enough to see personnel changes will be often left scratching their head as to how someone so incompetant can be promoted above them.... its mainly because they have other skills that are more or just as relevant as doing a good job -like an ability to build relationships with 'da management'
just my tuppence worth
Have to agree with you. People only tend to get on in motorsport if they have a) money and b) contacts. Nigel Mansell has both so its no suprise his kids are moving up.leo and greg had little or no racing experience before taking to cars, that puts you at a disadvantage to those who have done 10 years of karting, not withstanding who your dad is. equally when you look at something like fbmw you can see that the grid is full of kids with rich daddies, so i don't see that the mansells are in anyway different.
as for money taking a big decision in who drives where, this has always been the case and i am of the opinion that being a good(ace) driver does not mean you are more deserving of a drive than a plodder who's worked hard for his cash and bought the drive. think johnny herbert to damon hill.
motorsport reflects life quite well, anyone whose worked in a big business long enough to see personnel changes will be often left scratching their head as to how someone so incompetant can be promoted above them.... its mainly because they have other skills that are more or just as relevant as doing a good job -like an ability to build relationships with 'da management'
just my tuppence worth
Its not the way it should be but its the way it has been for years and will continue to be.
NightDriver said:
jellison said:
NightDriver said:
stockhatcher said:
i think you are being both a bit hard on the mansells and a bit naive about motorsport and the world in general.
leo and greg had little or no racing experience before taking to cars, that puts you at a disadvantage to those who have done 10 years of karting, not withstanding who your dad is. equally when you look at something like fbmw you can see that the grid is full of kids with rich daddies, so i don't see that the mansells are in anyway different.
as for money taking a big decision in who drives where, this has always been the case and i am of the opinion that being a good(ace) driver does not mean you are more deserving of a drive than a plodder who's worked hard for his cash and bought the drive. think johnny herbert to damon hill.
motorsport reflects life quite well, anyone whose worked in a big business long enough to see personnel changes will be often left scratching their head as to how someone so incompetant can be promoted above them.... its mainly because they have other skills that are more or just as relevant as doing a good job -like an ability to build relationships with 'da management'
just my tuppence worth
Have to agree with you. People only tend to get on in motorsport if they have a) money and b) contacts. Nigel Mansell has both so its no suprise his kids are moving up.leo and greg had little or no racing experience before taking to cars, that puts you at a disadvantage to those who have done 10 years of karting, not withstanding who your dad is. equally when you look at something like fbmw you can see that the grid is full of kids with rich daddies, so i don't see that the mansells are in anyway different.
as for money taking a big decision in who drives where, this has always been the case and i am of the opinion that being a good(ace) driver does not mean you are more deserving of a drive than a plodder who's worked hard for his cash and bought the drive. think johnny herbert to damon hill.
motorsport reflects life quite well, anyone whose worked in a big business long enough to see personnel changes will be often left scratching their head as to how someone so incompetant can be promoted above them.... its mainly because they have other skills that are more or just as relevant as doing a good job -like an ability to build relationships with 'da management'
just my tuppence worth
Its not the way it should be but its the way it has been for years and will continue to be.
As I said, this is not the way it should be and these two guys should realise there not cut out for it. But, if an opportunity like this is offered to them you cant blame them for taking it up.
Ever thought of trying another brand of car?
lazyitus said:
Hang on a minute.
These lads obviously want to race cars and are fortunate to have the family money to enable them to do it at their chosen level.
Who are we to dictate whether or not they are deserving of a place on any grid ?
They might not be front runners but they're doing something that they want to do.
It's an expensive sport and always will be. I'd love to be able to do it at that level (although my talent is probably far from near) but don't have the funds. It's a tough world but just because I can't do it, doesn't mean that I begrudge others who are more fortunate.
What do you suggest, that Mansell funds somebody elses kids just because they might have more talent ?
Nige' should be telling his kids they just don't cut it and to get a real job - what happens when they fianlly realise when he does finally get pissed off with bank rolling them and they have achived nothing - what do they do then - oh yes just go back to dad for more cash............These lads obviously want to race cars and are fortunate to have the family money to enable them to do it at their chosen level.
Who are we to dictate whether or not they are deserving of a place on any grid ?
They might not be front runners but they're doing something that they want to do.
It's an expensive sport and always will be. I'd love to be able to do it at that level (although my talent is probably far from near) but don't have the funds. It's a tough world but just because I can't do it, doesn't mean that I begrudge others who are more fortunate.
What do you suggest, that Mansell funds somebody elses kids just because they might have more talent ?
Edited by lazyitus on Wednesday 14th November 14:01
lazyitus said:
jellison said:
lazyitus said:
Hang on a minute.
These lads obviously want to race cars and are fortunate to have the family money to enable them to do it at their chosen level.
Who are we to dictate whether or not they are deserving of a place on any grid ?
They might not be front runners but they're doing something that they want to do.
It's an expensive sport and always will be. I'd love to be able to do it at that level (although my talent is probably far from near) but don't have the funds. It's a tough world but just because I can't do it, doesn't mean that I begrudge others who are more fortunate.
What do you suggest, that Mansell funds somebody elses kids just because they might have more talent?
To be honest if I had a son that was a slow driver - I'd take him out and shoot him.
Mind you if he was interested in football he would long since been terminated.............
Nige' should be telling his kids they just don't cut it and to get a real job - what happens when they fianlly realise when he does finally get pissed off with bank rolling them and they have achived nothing - what do they do then - oh yes just go back to dad for more cash............These lads obviously want to race cars and are fortunate to have the family money to enable them to do it at their chosen level.
Who are we to dictate whether or not they are deserving of a place on any grid ?
They might not be front runners but they're doing something that they want to do.
It's an expensive sport and always will be. I'd love to be able to do it at that level (although my talent is probably far from near) but don't have the funds. It's a tough world but just because I can't do it, doesn't mean that I begrudge others who are more fortunate.
What do you suggest, that Mansell funds somebody elses kids just because they might have more talent?
To be honest if I had a son that was a slow driver - I'd take him out and shoot him.
Mind you if he was interested in football he would long since been terminated.............
Edited by lazyitus on Wednesday 14th November 14:01
He could probably subsidise their 'careers' for the next 20 years if he wanted to. Plus, I'm sure he gets loads of enjoyment still being involved with the sport.
The name 'Mansell' is massive and I suspect that plenty of cash is ploughed in by sponsors anyway, so I doubt there are any real losers in the whole scenario.
To me, the family Mansell are just enjoying their lives being involved in Motorsport, which is the sport that made them multi-millionaires anyway. They're fortunate people and I don't think any other family in the country would do any different in the same circumstances.
Edited by jellison on Wednesday 14th November 14:52
lazyitus said:
jellison said:
lazyitus said:
jellison said:
lazyitus said:
Hang on a minute.
These lads obviously want to race cars and are fortunate to have the family money to enable them to do it at their chosen level.
Who are we to dictate whether or not they are deserving of a place on any grid ?
They might not be front runners but they're doing something that they want to do.
It's an expensive sport and always will be. I'd love to be able to do it at that level (although my talent is probably far from near) but don't have the funds. It's a tough world but just because I can't do it, doesn't mean that I begrudge others who are more fortunate.
What do you suggest, that Mansell funds somebody elses kids just because they might have more talent?
To be honest if I had a son that was a slow driver - I'd take him out and shoot him.
Mind you if he was interested in football he would long since been terminated.............
Nige' should be telling his kids they just don't cut it and to get a real job - what happens when they fianlly realise when he does finally get pissed off with bank rolling them and they have achived nothing - what do they do then - oh yes just go back to dad for more cash............These lads obviously want to race cars and are fortunate to have the family money to enable them to do it at their chosen level.
Who are we to dictate whether or not they are deserving of a place on any grid ?
They might not be front runners but they're doing something that they want to do.
It's an expensive sport and always will be. I'd love to be able to do it at that level (although my talent is probably far from near) but don't have the funds. It's a tough world but just because I can't do it, doesn't mean that I begrudge others who are more fortunate.
What do you suggest, that Mansell funds somebody elses kids just because they might have more talent?
To be honest if I had a son that was a slow driver - I'd take him out and shoot him.
Mind you if he was interested in football he would long since been terminated.............
Edited by lazyitus on Wednesday 14th November 14:01
He could probably subsidise their 'careers' for the next 20 years if he wanted to. Plus, I'm sure he gets loads of enjoyment still being involved with the sport.
The name 'Mansell' is massive and I suspect that plenty of cash is ploughed in by sponsors anyway, so I doubt there are any real losers in the whole scenario.
To me, the family Mansell are just enjoying their lives being involved in Motorsport, which is the sport that made them multi-millionaires anyway. They're fortunate people and I don't think any other family in the country would do any different in the same circumstances.
So if you were a multi-millionaire, more money than you could spend type of guy and your two sons wanted to get involved with a sport that made you what you were, you'd make them get a regular 9-5 job selling pigbits from a butchers in the high street ?
I'm glad you're not my Dad.
Jellisons child - "Dad, may I have a Scalextric for Christmas please?"
Jellison - "No, you can make do with a Tangerine whilst I go and count my fortune in the west wing."
I race with a few lads who's father is Very fast and so are they and they are helped (only club racing - but they are both v.fast so he loves it (they were as fast as Huff in MGB's when all 3 were in the same series for a few years). Huff father could afford the next step to the Cupra cup and he won that easy.
So I am saying it is fine if they show real talent but not otherwise.
lazyitus said:
jellison said:
So I am saying it is fine if they show real talent but not otherwise.
We'll agree to half agree with each other then. Never done any sports I was no good at. Mind never done any sports! Don't undertsand the meaning of the word TeamSport hence race cars for fun / hobby.
waynepixel said:
This is the problem with Motor-racing, you need money and very good contact to succeed. And there are not allot of people who are lucky to have one, let alone both options. This is one of the reason I do not look at Motor-racing as a sport.
It is a privilege for the Rich. And yes, Lewis got lucky, if it was not for Mclaren, I really do not think his racing career would have made it past Karting.
Yep agree with this, but club racing can be Mega as no Too much money and if in a good championship with big grid you can have some cracking fun and the front, middle and back. It is a privilege for the Rich. And yes, Lewis got lucky, if it was not for Mclaren, I really do not think his racing career would have made it past Karting.
Get to the level of the recent SPA 6 hours (classic and basically it is just FULL OF CHEATS).
Heebeegeetee said:
Is it worth reminding you all, that throughout most of his career Nigel was told he had no talent? Even when he was at Lotus, his team boss (Peter Warr) told him he'd never win a race so long as he had a hole in his arse.
Just show chapman had more insite than Warr (heard he had a high opinion of himself!), Chapman hired NM - seem to know something about FAST DriversHeebeegeetee said:
waynepixel said:
It is a privilege for the Rich. And yes, Lewis got lucky, if it was not for Mclaren, I really do not think his racing career would have made it past Karting.
In fairness, i think its only DC who has made it to the top from a wealthy family background.Neither Mansell, Hill, Button or Hamilton had any proper family money behind them, but they did have a lot of talent and a lot of self belief. In fact in Mansells case, possibly more self belief (and downright belligerence, often) than talent, but he did up his game at each step up the ladder.
Heebeegeetee said:
jellison said:
NM was a front funner on limited budget in f3 Balls to the wall even then - hence the bust back.
I seem to recall him being beaten by a team mate called Brett Riley, at the time. Balls to the wall even then - hence the bust back.Quinny said:
Jellison,
I've sent Mansell an email, with a link to this thread
He's had a think about it and he says your so right, he's going to stop giving his lads money and, he's going to set you up instead.
He said he'd much rather support a total stranger with no family connections than his own boys.
I think you should keep an eye on the post over the next few days. Expect a big cheque
Excellent NewsI've sent Mansell an email, with a link to this thread
He's had a think about it and he says your so right, he's going to stop giving his lads money and, he's going to set you up instead.
He said he'd much rather support a total stranger with no family connections than his own boys.
I think you should keep an eye on the post over the next few days. Expect a big cheque
308mate said:
Jellison,
I had a squiz at your profile and it appears youve been in or around enough motorsport to know the way things work. So Ive no idea why this is such a surprise to you. Stockhatcher has it bang on. Of course motorsport is full of people with Daddies money. If I was loaded and my kids had an interest, MY kids would be there on Daddies money too.
The number of motorsport Dynasties, here and in the US and in Australia, are too numerous to mention.
Do you think they all worked their way up from flipping burgers and washing cars?
Youre clearly a person who competes and puts alot of your personal income into your sport and thats to be applauded and far preferrable to being an arm chair observer. But all your posts and this thread just sound like sour grapes or jealousy. You think youre the only one who thinks youve could have made better use of an F3 seat than them if you'd just had the money/breaks?
Hopefully Im preaching to the choir here but motorsport is an expensive hobby - thats all. I would say 90% of the F3 field are there thanks to Daddies money. Why pick on the Mansells?
Why pick on the Mansells?I had a squiz at your profile and it appears youve been in or around enough motorsport to know the way things work. So Ive no idea why this is such a surprise to you. Stockhatcher has it bang on. Of course motorsport is full of people with Daddies money. If I was loaded and my kids had an interest, MY kids would be there on Daddies money too.
The number of motorsport Dynasties, here and in the US and in Australia, are too numerous to mention.
Do you think they all worked their way up from flipping burgers and washing cars?
Youre clearly a person who competes and puts alot of your personal income into your sport and thats to be applauded and far preferrable to being an arm chair observer. But all your posts and this thread just sound like sour grapes or jealousy. You think youre the only one who thinks youve could have made better use of an F3 seat than them if you'd just had the money/breaks?
Hopefully Im preaching to the choir here but motorsport is an expensive hobby - thats all. I would say 90% of the F3 field are there thanks to Daddies money. Why pick on the Mansells?
Edited by 308mate on Thursday 15th November 15:13
Cos he was bit of a hero of mine - well chuffed to be at TG the day he was on (the day the Veyron was on it the first time). Just a pity he is bank rolling loosers - he was alot better than they are at the stage they are at on alot less cash.
I do the lotto alot and yes I do sink alot of cash into cars - but most of the time it pays off (at my level). I never said I would be anything in a formual car. But so many people woul be back marker without the cahss to have by far the fastest cars - alittle bit faster car can be beaten by a driver with more skill but not when the other drivers car is miles ahead.
Fingers crossed for saturday.............
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