Victoria - Pembleton SuperSport
Discussion
Evening all.
With the departure of the Lomax yesterday to its new home near Paris, my replacement arrived today.
Although these are generally referred to as kit cars, all you get is a chassis, and a general idea of how you "could" put one together. Therefore most are a labour of love, with many parts fabricated and each one quite different in the end.
When I saw this one come up, I went to view it and had to have it. The builder was very fastidious and the quality of the build is second to none. It was registered new in December '14 on an age related plate.
The previous owner has clearly spent a lot of time polishing her, and not a lot of time driving it.
My fiance named her Victoria (as in the cyclist - but not) and I quite like it, kinda funny.
The previous owner liked the P51D mustang, and called it Mutley. Each to their own, but that's not my brew.
Pics!
First off it was straight off with the stickers....
And on with the delicious new wheel trims - spun aluminium speed discs..
I might mirror polish these to match the rest of the bodywork as some point.
Also to go on I have kept my very rare aluminium rocker covers I had on the Lomax (off a 435cc early 2cv).
I will also strip the paint off the bonnet and polish it up as per the rest of the bodywork. And there's a little bit of wiring to be sorted out, but nothing major.
Feedback welcome!
With the departure of the Lomax yesterday to its new home near Paris, my replacement arrived today.
Although these are generally referred to as kit cars, all you get is a chassis, and a general idea of how you "could" put one together. Therefore most are a labour of love, with many parts fabricated and each one quite different in the end.
When I saw this one come up, I went to view it and had to have it. The builder was very fastidious and the quality of the build is second to none. It was registered new in December '14 on an age related plate.
The previous owner has clearly spent a lot of time polishing her, and not a lot of time driving it.
My fiance named her Victoria (as in the cyclist - but not) and I quite like it, kinda funny.
The previous owner liked the P51D mustang, and called it Mutley. Each to their own, but that's not my brew.
Pics!
First off it was straight off with the stickers....
And on with the delicious new wheel trims - spun aluminium speed discs..
I might mirror polish these to match the rest of the bodywork as some point.
Also to go on I have kept my very rare aluminium rocker covers I had on the Lomax (off a 435cc early 2cv).
I will also strip the paint off the bonnet and polish it up as per the rest of the bodywork. And there's a little bit of wiring to be sorted out, but nothing major.
Feedback welcome!
OpulentBob said:
Different, but very nice...
What engine does it have? Water-cooled? Bike engine?
Nothing quite so powerful I'm afraid! Air cooled, and 2CV.What engine does it have? Water-cooled? Bike engine?
BenWRXSEi said:
I don't know why I like this, but I really rather do. Forgive my ignorance, but assuming this is 2CV based?
TooManySheds said:
Where did you get the wheel trims ? they totally change the character of the car (along with the simple thing of removing some stickers.)
Look forward to more updates and hope you have great fun with her :-)
The wheel trims are actually VDUB ones from Limebug. But the fit is standard. I thought I was going to regret selling the Lomax too, but now this has arrived I'm not even slightly worried! Look forward to more updates and hope you have great fun with her :-)
Huzzah!
Huff said:
Out of the left field, this made me smile immensely. I'm sure that's totally engaging to roll around in, and it looks marvellous sui generis - esp. with the moondisc wheel trims. I shall now go buy some shares in Autosol...
Hope you enjoy it! More please, as you find it.
To make people smile is basically the whole point of it!! Hope you enjoy it! More please, as you find it.
I'm very pleased with the moon discs, I considered 17 or 19 inch wires, but they are pretty expensive, heavier, more fragile and more of a fiddle to clean. Think they set it off nicely.
I'm tempted to paint the wheels grey, silver or black as the inside is still visible and the rear sticks out like a saw thumb.....
PhillipM said:
Needs those discs on the rear :P
I can only put one on because the rear trailing arm is on the other side. Think I'm going to paint the wheels to help them be a bit more subtle. They are a bit bold for my liking at the moment.Huntsman said:
I'd paint big spirals on the discs like the nice cone on big jet engine.
Whenever I see these it always reminds me of the Cheshire cat
Edited by Ambleton on Saturday 5th March 05:38
Edited by Ambleton on Saturday 5th March 05:40
TooMany2cvs said:
Heheh... I wondered... The other possibility was a Blackjack.
That's really nice.
Well it could have been anything.... blackjack, BRA, Pembleton, Grinnall, JZR, Aerocycle, Triking.....That's really nice.
I did want a grinnall, but that was ruled out by the OH for being too ugly. As soon as she saw this, she told me to get it, but she had to be called Victoria!
Deal done
Pacman1978 said:
New wheel trims and destickering really does make a difference, looks very clean. Nice!
Cheers! I'm not sure whether to mirror polish the wheel discs or not.... The bonnet is next on the list!
The previous owner stencilled an image of muttley from the whacky races on it....
0a said:
Congratulations! I read the slowmax thread the other day and it was an entertaining read.
Do you have any further plans for it, and how does it drive compared to the slowmax?
I haven't driven it in anger yet, so can't say. The ride should be a lot better as it has 100% uprated springs, and its about 60kg lighter.Do you have any further plans for it, and how does it drive compared to the slowmax?
Yes, I do have plans for it.
In the short term (next couple of months)
Change the rocker covers
Paint the wheels so they are less in your face
Strip the bonnet of paint and polish it up to match the rest of the bodywork
Change the engine breather/filler for a new design that is much neater and smaller
Medium term (this year)
Put some exhaust shrouds on so you don't burn your arm
Make a rack for a picnic basket
Change the inlet manifold and position the Carb back under the bodywork, on top of the gearbox
Long term (if I ever get round to it - dream)
I'd like to do a BMW R100 or MotoGuzzi conversion.
TooMany2cvs said:
Ambleton said:
The ride should be a lot better as it has 100% uprated springs, and its about 60kg lighter.
<scratches head> That's going to make the ride a lot worse. It'll cut down on bodyroll, and may tighten the handling up some, but grip will remain tyre-limited.Ambleton said:
I'd like to do a BMW R100 or MotoGuzzi conversion.
Give me a shout if you're heading to Sparrow's to talk BMW...So when I say "better" I mean flatter. But you're right, the ride quality will be harsher, which is fine because frankly the Lomax was a bit "too soft" anyway.
Sparrows certainly are on my radar. I might need to pop over to a few other owners and see their efforts too though! For the minute, I'm not rushing into anything without full preparation first. I'm going to enjoy her as she is!
TooMany2cvs said:
Ambleton said:
The bonnet is next on the list!
The previous owner stencilled an image of muttley from the whacky races on it....
Well, you HAVE to continue the theme after the rename, right...?The previous owner stencilled an image of muttley from the whacky races on it....
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/victoria-pen...
qwertina said:
Well this has just set me off on an hour of looking at them! I need to start saving like a mad man as I must build one! The kits are so reasonably priced as well.
There is a partially built one on ebay near Stratford on Avon. Still a lot of work to but its a decent start.
TooMany2cvs said:
Those older rocker covers do look good.
I think you've got another way of really tidying the nose up, too - and giving a bit more power - look to move to a pair of bike carbs, shifting that ugly lump of Solex. As an interim, it might be worth just making the air filter setup a bit less fugly - it looks like a model of the Loch Ness Monster!
Then a lowered (or completely re-made?) oil filler/breather with a separate CPD valve - http://www.ecas2cvparts.co.uk/reed-valve-crankcase...
The solex really is a great carb! I'm going to stick with it. BUT, I want to move it back under the bodywork, with a modified inlet manifold, it will look a lot better, but not something I can do at the moment because I just don't have enough time. I think you've got another way of really tidying the nose up, too - and giving a bit more power - look to move to a pair of bike carbs, shifting that ugly lump of Solex. As an interim, it might be worth just making the air filter setup a bit less fugly - it looks like a model of the Loch Ness Monster!
Then a lowered (or completely re-made?) oil filler/breather with a separate CPD valve - http://www.ecas2cvparts.co.uk/reed-valve-crankcase...
The CPD breather is definitely on the cards too. I had one on the Lomax and it made a big difference and looked a lot neater. There is a low profile sports air filter you can get from France for around £100, but it seems like a lot of money for what it is....
Found it...
https://www.franzose.de/en/Citroen-2CV/Alle/Luftfi...
Not sure though. I do have a foofoo valve in the garage that wad on the Lomax. I could fabricate something using a threaded T section and move the breather well out of the way on a long tube....
Thoughts?
https://www.franzose.de/en/Citroen-2CV/Alle/Luftfi...
Not sure though. I do have a foofoo valve in the garage that wad on the Lomax. I could fabricate something using a threaded T section and move the breather well out of the way on a long tube....
Thoughts?
cheers Swerni!
So tonight I had a hot sweaty evening in the shed with Victoria, I even had to get out my big vibrating tool... (shush now you boys at the back)!
I wanted to strip the bonnet and thought NitroMors would be brilliant. I've used it before on a wrought iron gate and it worked a dream. No such luck this time.
I applied it liberally as instructed, then again after 10 mins and waited for another 45mins.... this is what it looked like...
After a lot of scraping I was getting nowhere slowly. Annoyingly the previous owner had actually done a pretty good job of painting the bonnet, etching primer, thick, then top coats.
I decided that the only way to get any sort or result was to bring out my rotary DA sander polisher. After about 1.5hours it now looks like this...
I'll get the wire wool out and finish the rest another day. It was a very horrible, messy, hateful, dusty, s
tty job, but it will be worth it in the end. Can't wait to get it mirror polished like the rest of the bodywork!!
So tonight I had a hot sweaty evening in the shed with Victoria, I even had to get out my big vibrating tool... (shush now you boys at the back)!
I wanted to strip the bonnet and thought NitroMors would be brilliant. I've used it before on a wrought iron gate and it worked a dream. No such luck this time.
I applied it liberally as instructed, then again after 10 mins and waited for another 45mins.... this is what it looked like...
After a lot of scraping I was getting nowhere slowly. Annoyingly the previous owner had actually done a pretty good job of painting the bonnet, etching primer, thick, then top coats.
I decided that the only way to get any sort or result was to bring out my rotary DA sander polisher. After about 1.5hours it now looks like this...
I'll get the wire wool out and finish the rest another day. It was a very horrible, messy, hateful, dusty, s
tty job, but it will be worth it in the end. Can't wait to get it mirror polished like the rest of the bodywork!!
XFDreamer said:
Here's a picture of my Father in laws Pembleton.
It's called Rocket.
Its a nice one, hopefully I can sort something out to clean up the front end like he has. So far my preferred route is definitely sticking with the solex, and modifying the inlet so it sits over the gearbox instead of the crank case!
Mark Benson said:
I like this. A lot.
Like the idea it's a spaceframe instead of using the 2CV chassis like a Lomax (a neighbour had a Lomax a few years ago). Must be fairly nippy (relatively speaking) too. With a bike engine I imagine it might be quite hair raising.
I'm flirting with the idea of another garage project now I've sold the Ginetta and one of these might be fun to do, I assume the instructions are limited but support from the 'factory' and other builders is pretty good (I'm no novice but faced with a garage full of donor parts and a chassis I'd like a bit of a pointer)?
Id hardly call it hair raising, but its spritely enough to make you have a lot of fun. Its 360kgs and has a whole 29bhp. So the power to weight ratio is probably similar to a lot of bogo modern superminis. Like the idea it's a spaceframe instead of using the 2CV chassis like a Lomax (a neighbour had a Lomax a few years ago). Must be fairly nippy (relatively speaking) too. With a bike engine I imagine it might be quite hair raising.
I'm flirting with the idea of another garage project now I've sold the Ginetta and one of these might be fun to do, I assume the instructions are limited but support from the 'factory' and other builders is pretty good (I'm no novice but faced with a garage full of donor parts and a chassis I'd like a bit of a pointer)?
Phil Gregory (pembleton) is very helpful (I've heard). And the forum/owners are very helpful and a mass of incredibly skilled and knowledgeable people.
It feels much more solid than the Lomax and corners a lot flatter. Id say the acceleration is better in the pembleton, but the top speed not as high as the lomax. My lomax had a dyane diff though, which has 1 extra tooth, so a slightly higher top end. They recon you can safely go to about 60bhp without lunching the gearbox. That's a 100% power increase, so they must be almost quick with that amount of power!
As always though, it'll be the same on braking and cornering.
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