1970 BMW 2002 ITBs
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Hi all,
I've been a long term lurker on these forums and never posted however I thought I'd share my latest car with you all.
Meet "Lucy" the BMW 2002
I've always been a fan of older cars, but never really owned a classic (unless a MK1 Jetta counts?)
My friend bought this car from JFI classics after a restoration 3 years ago and I've been badgering him to sell it me ever since.
I bought an S2000 last summer and a month after my friend decided it might be time to sell up, typical!
I thought I'd wait until this summer to decide if the S2000 was going (having taken it off the road for winter) and after driving the '02 back from road trip to the Evo triangle a few months back convinced me to sell up.
At the Evo Triangle
(before anyone complains excuse the missing space in the number plate on the S2k, I'm not a fan or private plates but it came with the car..... I did say i was a lurker)
The only pictures i have at the mo are the ones for the agreed value for insurance so they're nothing special, but I'll get some better one at some point.
It's a 1970 car so it's a roundie (round rear lights) it's not perfect however the shell is solid but if it was perfect it'd be a shame to modify it.
A quick list of whats been done to the car
Engine:
M10 tii bottom end
E30 318i head with Schirck cam
Ford EDIS Coil Pack
Jenvy throttle bodies
Megasquirt ECU
Lotus Sunbeam subframe & steering rack
Bilstien sport dampers
E21 rear trailing arms
LSD
Girling 4 pot calipers upfront
Rear disc conversion
Servo delete and E9 master cylinder (takes getting used to)
Hydraulic handbrake
There's a few more bits but that's the gist of it.
Car needs a few bits and bobs doing to it biggest being piston rings.
It smokes a bit in the higher rev ranges and as such is running a lower compression ratio, I'm hoping to get this sorted come winter and hopefully get a bit more power out of the engine.
Sounds silly but the thing i love most about this car is the fact that my little lad loves it!
I don't now what it is, he wasn't really bothered about the S2000, he preferred lorries and buses but he adores this car.
Anyway that's a quick run down hope you all like it!
I've been a long term lurker on these forums and never posted however I thought I'd share my latest car with you all.
Meet "Lucy" the BMW 2002
I've always been a fan of older cars, but never really owned a classic (unless a MK1 Jetta counts?)
My friend bought this car from JFI classics after a restoration 3 years ago and I've been badgering him to sell it me ever since.
I bought an S2000 last summer and a month after my friend decided it might be time to sell up, typical!
I thought I'd wait until this summer to decide if the S2000 was going (having taken it off the road for winter) and after driving the '02 back from road trip to the Evo triangle a few months back convinced me to sell up.
At the Evo Triangle
(before anyone complains excuse the missing space in the number plate on the S2k, I'm not a fan or private plates but it came with the car..... I did say i was a lurker)
The only pictures i have at the mo are the ones for the agreed value for insurance so they're nothing special, but I'll get some better one at some point.
It's a 1970 car so it's a roundie (round rear lights) it's not perfect however the shell is solid but if it was perfect it'd be a shame to modify it.
A quick list of whats been done to the car
Engine:
M10 tii bottom end
E30 318i head with Schirck cam
Ford EDIS Coil Pack
Jenvy throttle bodies
Megasquirt ECU
Lotus Sunbeam subframe & steering rack
Bilstien sport dampers
E21 rear trailing arms
LSD
Girling 4 pot calipers upfront
Rear disc conversion
Servo delete and E9 master cylinder (takes getting used to)
Hydraulic handbrake
There's a few more bits but that's the gist of it.
Car needs a few bits and bobs doing to it biggest being piston rings.
It smokes a bit in the higher rev ranges and as such is running a lower compression ratio, I'm hoping to get this sorted come winter and hopefully get a bit more power out of the engine.
Sounds silly but the thing i love most about this car is the fact that my little lad loves it!
I don't now what it is, he wasn't really bothered about the S2000, he preferred lorries and buses but he adores this car.
Anyway that's a quick run down hope you all like it!
Edited by EddyBee on Friday 28th July 17:45
Cheers for the kind words!
Lovely pics V8A*ndy, they look a bit tidier than mine!
Any more pictures of the Orange Alpina on (not the one with the black bonnet) could only see the picture of the back.
Got a quick vid of the car the other day
https://youtu.be/XhmaxWVUlxM
Been making a list of jobs of things I want to sort soon (the overall list is bigger!)
Sort out rust patch in drivers door jamb
Fix the fan blower motor. Common 02 problem and not as easy as it sounds.
Fit a different mater cylinder to the handbrake with a smaller bore.
Change the gauges in the centre console. Either VDO or smiths. Need oil press and oil temp then either a clock of volt metre; not sure.
Fit a carpet. The old one was removed before sale and a new one needs making.
I'm on the look out for some 70's recaros so if anyone knows of a set let me know. I have some out of a Rover Vitesse but the plastic round the bases would ruin the look in this car I think.
(not my picture)
All tucked up in the garage at home
I've been invited to a track day with some other 2002 owners at Llandow Circuit. It'll be my first track day and I'm unsure whether to put some track tires on the track wheels I got with the car...
Lovely pics V8A*ndy, they look a bit tidier than mine!
Any more pictures of the Orange Alpina on (not the one with the black bonnet) could only see the picture of the back.
Got a quick vid of the car the other day
https://youtu.be/XhmaxWVUlxM
Been making a list of jobs of things I want to sort soon (the overall list is bigger!)
Sort out rust patch in drivers door jamb
Fix the fan blower motor. Common 02 problem and not as easy as it sounds.
Fit a different mater cylinder to the handbrake with a smaller bore.
Change the gauges in the centre console. Either VDO or smiths. Need oil press and oil temp then either a clock of volt metre; not sure.
Fit a carpet. The old one was removed before sale and a new one needs making.
I'm on the look out for some 70's recaros so if anyone knows of a set let me know. I have some out of a Rover Vitesse but the plastic round the bases would ruin the look in this car I think.
(not my picture)All tucked up in the garage at home
I've been invited to a track day with some other 2002 owners at Llandow Circuit. It'll be my first track day and I'm unsure whether to put some track tires on the track wheels I got with the car...
Edited by EddyBee on Monday 11th July 09:12
Edited by EddyBee on Monday 11th July 09:13
Cheers for the extra pics.
With regards to track tyres I thought it'd save me ruining my road tyres and I've never driven with proper sticky rubber. I do get your point though.
Strip and rebuild
Billet Pistons & long rods.
I love golf yellow, Colorado orange & of course chamonix White. Proper period colours.
Yeah the front panel is from a later car.
When it was restored the front panel was shot and a narrow grill early one wasn't available. I've thought about changing it if I can get an early panel (I used to prefer the later front but the old one is growing on me.) however for now it can stay.
Like I said its not perfect but good enough for me.
With regards to track tyres I thought it'd save me ruining my road tyres and I've never driven with proper sticky rubber. I do get your point though.
Legacywr said:
I had Golf yellow 2002, and a Verona red tii in the 80's, I rebuilt the tii engine, and, it wasn't cheap back then!
The car has the earlier round rear lights, but the front grill seems to be from the later square rear light facelift?
Laranca Motorsport are just down the road from me they've quoted approx £2900 for a rebuild. That included;The car has the earlier round rear lights, but the front grill seems to be from the later square rear light facelift?
Strip and rebuild
Billet Pistons & long rods.
I love golf yellow, Colorado orange & of course chamonix White. Proper period colours.
Yeah the front panel is from a later car.
When it was restored the front panel was shot and a narrow grill early one wasn't available. I've thought about changing it if I can get an early panel (I used to prefer the later front but the old one is growing on me.) however for now it can stay.
Like I said its not perfect but good enough for me.
Depends what you're used to.
Coming from my S2000 it doesn't feel slow
Its only got just over 150bhp at the flywheel because the compression is way down. (I've got a dyno print out somewhere)
Laranca Motorsport said I should be running 11-1 with their pistons and rods which should be good for 170-180bhp which will be plenty.
As you probably know it's not about out right speed.
Coming from my S2000 it doesn't feel slow
Its only got just over 150bhp at the flywheel because the compression is way down. (I've got a dyno print out somewhere)
Laranca Motorsport said I should be running 11-1 with their pistons and rods which should be good for 170-180bhp which will be plenty.
As you probably know it's not about out right speed.
SidewaysSi said:
I keep thinking about getting a modified 2002. I assume it is comfortably sub 1000kg? Also, what's the steering feel and precision like?
A standard car is 940kg so I imagine mines around a 1000ish with the half cage and 5spd box (assuming that's heavier than the original 4spd)Steering feel is pretty good to be honest however my daily is a 7 series and my pervious fun car was an s2000 so maybe my views are a bit tainted.
Obviously it's a bit of a pig at lower speeds but the quicker lotus sunbeam rack is great unless manoeuvring.
Alex; yeah it's great that he seems to show an interest at a young age. Maybe he can help me build my mk1 Jetta when he's older.
Blueprint said:
Fantastic machine!
Nice pairing with the E34 too......any info on that one?
It's a late (1995) 3.8 M5. Nice pairing with the E34 too......any info on that one?
Used to be my daily driver but it's been off the road for a while.
Had all the EDC replaced with normal eibach dampers last year.
Was due to go to the body shop in Feb to get all the rust sorted as the arches are starting to bubble, at least 1 sill is shot and I've got a rust free non spoiler boot lid to go on.
After all that it was getting a full respray (same colour: Avus Blue) however the day I went to take it in it developed an electrical fault and no one can get to the bottom of it.
There's a place in Derby that think they can solve it but I'll have to get it trailered there. Can't wait to get it back on the road.
Got a quick vid yesterday.
https://youtu.be/4TDmwv1ZBzc
Exhaust isn't as farty in real life. That's with the mic attached by the exhaust.
Next time I'll put it in the engine bay by the ITBs see how that sounds.
Unsure as to why the mic makes that weird sound half way in. Will try a new battery.
https://youtu.be/4TDmwv1ZBzc
Exhaust isn't as farty in real life. That's with the mic attached by the exhaust.
Next time I'll put it in the engine bay by the ITBs see how that sounds.
Unsure as to why the mic makes that weird sound half way in. Will try a new battery.
Loving the pic Lotusomega. I have a set of those wheel trims in my garage.
I'd like to drive a standard one to see how mine compares.
Went to black plate Wednesday at Shelsey Walsh. Was a good afternoon out.
Fell in love with the Alfa, the driving position is typically Italian!
Fitted a prototipo today. Similar to the Petri wheel I had but smaller diameter and thicker.
Test fitting my recaros and started the fabrication work for the mounts. I think they look alright in there.
Can't wait to have carpets but plenty of jobs to do beforehand.
I'd like to drive a standard one to see how mine compares.
Went to black plate Wednesday at Shelsey Walsh. Was a good afternoon out.
Fell in love with the Alfa, the driving position is typically Italian!
Fitted a prototipo today. Similar to the Petri wheel I had but smaller diameter and thicker.
Test fitting my recaros and started the fabrication work for the mounts. I think they look alright in there.
Can't wait to have carpets but plenty of jobs to do beforehand.
After test fitting the Rover Vitesse recaros and making some seat mounts in rough I've decided not to use them.
Without the original runners it's hard to make come up with a tidy solution.
They'll sit too high, the brackets will be heavy and a bit of a compromise and although they look similar to BMW recaros they're not quite right.
Even if I did get hold of the right runners I'd have to modify the floor pan to get them low.
They don't tilt (ok I don't have a useable rear seat but still) and I don't want to spend money re trimming them if I'm not 100% happy......
Luckily I knew someone selling some e21 recaros for a decent price.
They need a new bolster and a retrim but I'm happy with them. Just need to decide how I want them trimmed: any thoughts?
Without the original runners it's hard to make come up with a tidy solution.
They'll sit too high, the brackets will be heavy and a bit of a compromise and although they look similar to BMW recaros they're not quite right.
Even if I did get hold of the right runners I'd have to modify the floor pan to get them low.
They don't tilt (ok I don't have a useable rear seat but still) and I don't want to spend money re trimming them if I'm not 100% happy......
Luckily I knew someone selling some e21 recaros for a decent price.
They need a new bolster and a retrim but I'm happy with them. Just need to decide how I want them trimmed: any thoughts?
Edited by EddyBee on Tuesday 2nd August 23:14
I'm keeping hold of the petri. I really like it and didn't plan on replacing it however the spokes are right in the way of where I hold it and it was becoming uncomfortable.
Tried the prototipo in another 02 and it was a lot nicer.
Scheel seats are lovely but I'm happy with my new seats & what I paid for them.
You bringing your m3 to Llandow?
I'd love to see it, I've followed a few of your builds in the past. However I think that was on retro rides.
Tried the prototipo in another 02 and it was a lot nicer.
Scheel seats are lovely but I'm happy with my new seats & what I paid for them.
You bringing your m3 to Llandow?
I'd love to see it, I've followed a few of your builds in the past. However I think that was on retro rides.
Edited by EddyBee on Wednesday 3rd August 01:04
Plans for the engine are:
Updated valve springs
New valve stem seals
Updated cam followers
Billet Pistons
Longer rods
I'd like to put the m3 cam & stroke it out to 2.3ish but don't think my budget will allow it, We'll see.
The above should give me 170-180bhp and make for a really nice engine.
Updated valve springs
New valve stem seals
Updated cam followers
Billet Pistons
Longer rods
I'd like to put the m3 cam & stroke it out to 2.3ish but don't think my budget will allow it, We'll see.
The above should give me 170-180bhp and make for a really nice engine.
I did my first track day on the 13th at Llandow
I really enjoyed it, It's a great circuit!
Recaro in! Now limited in corners by tires instead of my doors!
Arrived at the circuit and parked next to this E30 m3 with an s50 engine in it. Owned and converted by Dave from Astbury Motor Works
Luckily the weather cleared up. Maroon 02 is owned by James from JFI classics. He originally built/restored my car
Camera angle isn't great I'll have to find somewhere better to mount my GoPro
https://youtu.be/WP19zTl5Y4o
(Some vids of the e30 on my channel too)
During the day I was getting a bit of a crunch going into 3rd when the box was warm. As the e21 5 spd is hard to come by I thought I'd keep an eye out for one incase mine dies......
Drove the car home and 3 miles from my house the gearbox started making some nasty new noises in 1st and 2nd. Nursed the car home but I now need another box & apparently they can't be rebuilt!
So if anyone knows of an E21 5 speed for an M10 engine please let me know!
I really enjoyed it, It's a great circuit!
Recaro in! Now limited in corners by tires instead of my doors!
Arrived at the circuit and parked next to this E30 m3 with an s50 engine in it. Owned and converted by Dave from Astbury Motor Works
Luckily the weather cleared up. Maroon 02 is owned by James from JFI classics. He originally built/restored my car
Camera angle isn't great I'll have to find somewhere better to mount my GoPro
https://youtu.be/WP19zTl5Y4o
(Some vids of the e30 on my channel too)
During the day I was getting a bit of a crunch going into 3rd when the box was warm. As the e21 5 spd is hard to come by I thought I'd keep an eye out for one incase mine dies......
Drove the car home and 3 miles from my house the gearbox started making some nasty new noises in 1st and 2nd. Nursed the car home but I now need another box & apparently they can't be rebuilt!
So if anyone knows of an E21 5 speed for an M10 engine please let me know!
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