991 GT3 . Best Performance car 2014

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Says it all, this despite the engine woes....

http://teamspeed.com/articles/porsche-911-gt3-name...

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sorry when did I miss this, I take it the list included the 650S, P1, and the new Lambo?

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NJH said:

Simple answer is the one many just don't want to hear but has been well known to be the truth for decades, the media relies on the good will of the car companies in order to be supplied with the very thing they need to have a media business i.e. cars to review. One can ps off and give bad reviews on small companies products from some country you never knew made cars but upset VAG, or Ferrari etc. and your media business is in trouble if your business is news and reviews of cars.

is this why the engine problem, gets very little or even no time on here or in Junros...

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drmark said:

paranha said:

IF you say/post/announce something many times, those that WANT to believe will--and are of the Kings NEW Clothes following--others who doubt the message is Correct, will have an uphill fight to get justice.

Never accept what YOU know is incorrect, NO matter how long it takes for the Correct action to take place-----The amazing point in this subject, is its Not One-Two prospective clients, but many with worldwide knowledge of the ongoing Lack of PR and a Reputation gained, which can be tarnished in todays global, dotCom.
VAG need to wake up--before the denial of poor support for its clients, tarnishes the Group.

Porsche really don't give a toss what you, me or anyone on here thinks. We are a tiny minority. Most people who aspire to a Porsche don't know what a GT3 is, let alone that it was released with a duff engine (potentially). Witness OPCs selling returned GT3s for list or more. People are queuing up to buy returns even though they can't drive them.

PR and brand management is all about perception, not reality. Best not to confuse the two

I disagree.
We are the 4th largest market for Porsche, what else can they do, they did not ask for the award, this is not like a auto-car, evo, jobbie, this is the award voted for via the worlds press.....It does not get any bigger....what are they to say, "no we don't want it give to Ferrari"

As for people who aspire to a Porsche do not know what a GT3 is, nothing could be further from the truth......

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drmark said:

APOLO1 said:

I disagree.
We are the 4th largest market for Porsche, what else can they do, they did not ask for the award, this is not like a auto-car, evo, jobbie, this is the award voted for via the worlds press.....It does not get any bigger....what are they to say, "no we don't want it give to Ferrari"

As for people who aspire to a Porsche do not know what a GT3 is, nothing could be further from the truth......

Of course they accepted - my point was in answer to the poster's belief that this would somehow permanently seriously damage Porsche's image globally. I believe that is not true.

As for knowing what a GT3 is, I beg to differ - most Porsche customers, who have never heard of Pistonheads either ( like most Cayenne and would-be-Macan drivers in China and LA) have NO idea. A significant proportion of Porsche drivers are not even committed car enthusiasts these days, let alone Porsche enthusiasts. Unlike us. More's the pity

I take your 1st point,

But your are not correct on the later....PH is not just in the UK, there any many Porsche forums around the world, all have info on the GT3,ie rennlist, teamspeed. The GT3 issue is also discussed on other car forums.......extensively

I have friends, client's all around the world, some own a Porsche some do not, all ask regularly about my GT3s.......

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nsm3 said:

Bet it won't be getting the JDP ownership experience award?

no, but it will go down as just about the best 911 ever........if not the best sports car....To beat the 458 specaile is a big ask.....but the worlds press voted that its better....

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mrdemon said:

Roll on the P13

big ask.............

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pork911 said:

Aside from the 'car' having a fault that isn't yet rectified that means it can't be used, how often has this or similar awards been given to development cars that aren't yet available and it's not yet known when they will be?

Absolute joke. Porsche should have declined it.

now you are being daft......it beat the 458 Speciale, having driven the 458,i can say this was no mean feat.... this is the best of the best, the Jurnos award, they should be very proud...

Have you driven a 991 GT3?

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rosino said:

I think here the question is more philosophical.. Clearly the GT3 cannot be branded as a 2014 car.. It is to all effects and purposes a 2015 model because the 2014 cars were just not ready and could be considered prototypes... Would you give an award to a prototype? No..

With a 2015 car then the competition would have to include not only the Speciale but probably the new Lambo and certainly the 650s journos are raving about..

The 650 is 5% improvement on the 12C...who is raving about it....I am not..

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mpbcs said:

APOLO1 said:

rosino said:

I think here the question is more philosophical.. Clearly the GT3 cannot be branded as a 2014 car.. It is to all effects and purposes a 2015 model because the 2014 cars were just not ready and could be considered prototypes... Would you give an award to a prototype? No..

With a 2015 car then the competition would have to include not only the Speciale but probably the new Lambo and certainly the 650s journos are raving about..

The 650 is 5% improvement on the 12C...who is raving about it....I am not..

Luckily your opinion has been discredited more than a few times. I drove the car and found it significantly more than 5% better.

nah......look at the CH vid, its a little better that's it.....It will still loose over 100k within 12 months though,(ok I escaped with 87K) that's the problem ya see, its the Brand, no discount......the market knows this , that's why it get absolutely hammered when used.....

how well is it selling ?.......

IMHO

Edited by APOLO1 on Tuesday 22 April 16:46

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mpbcs said:

APOLO1 said:

nah......look at the CH vid, its a little better that's it.....It will still loose over 100k within 12 months though,(ok I escaped with 87K) that's the problem ya see, its the Brand, no discount......the market knows this , that's why it get absolutely hammered when used.....

how well is it selling ?.......

IMHO

Edited by APOLO1 on Tuesday 22 April 16:46

Alternatively look at Sutcliffe's video... Or many others. And how misguided are you if you think that the way to help residuals is to offer discounts on new cars, that is retarded thinking. Selling well from my conversations from dealers. And before you ask, yes I am buying one. Your posts sound like sour grapes from a person that bid Mclaren well below list and were wisely told to 'do one!' I strongly suggest you reign your posts in to what you actually know about then you might get back some of your credibility. At present you look very stupid on these forums to those of us that have genuine interest and knowledge about cars.

Discounts or no discounts, the market will adjust for any over valuation. as it did with the 12C, nothing misguided in that. I lost 87k in 9 months and 8k miles on my Coupe, and My SP, RRP 259k 600 miles, sold for 208k

Both the 12c and 650 are great cars, but imv neither can be compared to the 991GT3.

As to what I actually know about, I have owned 3 x 12Cs, 2 coupes and one SP, I am very close friends with about 12 or so owners around the world. I have driven the 650s.I have also done approx. 15 full on track days in the 12c, I Have also driven both the 918 several times and P1, on both road and track.I have also done 4 track days in 991GT3 before the stop- drive.

Over the past couple of years, Apart from the 12cs above, I have owned and still own many other performance cars, including 2 x 991GT3s

So I am able to make informed views.

I will buy a 650 at some point, but not at list or any point close. Like others I can not justify close to a 100k loss for a car that is just a little better than a 13MY 12c.
To use your words imv, this would be retarded

IMHO

Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 23 April 09:01

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mpbcs said:

APOLO1 said:

Discounts or no discounts, the market will adjust for any over valuation. as it did with the 12C, nothing misguided in that. I lost 87k in 9 months and 8k miles on my Coupe, and My SP, RRP 259k 600 miles, sold for 208k

Both the 12c and 650 are great cars, but imv neither can be compared to the 991GT3.

As to what I actually know about, I have owned 3 x 12Cs, 2 coupes and one SP, I am very close friends with about 12 or so owners around the world. I have driven the 650s.I have also done approx. 15 full on track days in the 12c, I Have also driven both the 918 several times and P1, on both road and track.I have also done 4 track days in 991GT3 before the stop- drive.

Over the past couple of years, Apart from the 12cs above, I have owned and still own many other performance cars, including 2 x 991GT3s

So I am able to make informed views.

I will buy a 650 at some point, but not at list or any point close. Like others I can not justify close to 100k for a car that is just a little better than a 13MY 12c.

IMHO

Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 23 April 07:03

This is a more reasoned response that your first. But money does neither buy you wisdom or the ability to drive and understand a cars dynamics. Your opinions are just that, opinions. I think you would gain more credibility from giving them as such (and some of your posts are admittedly interesting and informative),rather than stating things as fact that are clearly incorrect or can not be proven.

I too have owned a range of supercars but have no interest in blowing my own trumpet. I have also raced cars and built engines so I understand how things work. I usually only post when I have something constructive to say, but your inaccuracies need to be highlighted!

not my intention to W wave, at any time.....my experience's with the 12c, are Fact, nothing inaccurate about the losses. All Fact. I well recall trying to sell my 12C-SP and was told, to use your words," Do one" ie "we can not sell our own so why would we want yours"

There is a Brand problem here, at RRP. The market adjusts for this residual wise. How can it be right to offer Ltd edition 12cs as in the 50th at 60k off list. I am at a total loss at to why the RRP can not be more in line with the market. I like you brought early cars, and lost big time....Like others I am more careful this time round.

Just think on this, if the 650 follows the 12c deprecation wise, it will have lost very close to the cost of a new 991GT3 before the 1st year road tax is up....

These are not just my views, but the views of many owners.

As for the 650, it is a little better than what is already a great car......100k more,? never.
I agree it is a very fast car, but so is a 700BHP GTR,

IMHO

Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 23 April 09:28