the new GT4 and spec's, what do YOU want ?

[mrdemon]

OK so the GT4 is getting a load of hype and every OPC seems to have a ton of letters of intent now. (8 and growing at Leicester)

what does it need to be to make you part with real cash ?

lets say it's 85k. all in with PCM etc

for me the main few are

the 3.8 engine, 380 BHp will be fine any more is a bonus
Bucket seats as standard
6 pot brakes would be ideal.
Ajustable LCA would be sweet.
choice of manual or for the PDK fans PDK-S
Passive damper set up, adjustment would be nice but that's not going to happen imo.

non starters for me (buying new, with these it would be a 2nd hand buy when they are cheaper)
a 3.4 engine with 350/60bhp
but now the GTS has x73 the GT4 does need to move the game on a bit.

cannot see it being a 4pot turbo it's to early for those engines.

And last what price do you want to pay ?

[mrdemon]

mad ferret said:

My OPC won't take a letter of intent, it's £5k down refundable and currently has 2 deposits.

Told it will be priced at £68k-£75k plus options.

Still haven't paid my £5k yet

very mean OPC

you normally pay the deposit on conformation a car is real :-) which is still way before you can order and spec one.
just choose another OPC.

[mrdemon]

what's interesting is what peoples min spec will keep to keep one on order.

[mrdemon]

sounds horid, I would like to be able to use one :-)

[mrdemon]

the 996GT3 RS is that, buy one of those ! ok you should have bought one when there were 55k all day long and not the 100k they are now.

they would never sell many plexi glass hard core Caymans imo. even the x73 option on the 981 must be less than 1% of sales.

[mrdemon]

As he was 14 in the que I think he tried to bribe the OPC with hard cash :-)

[mrdemon]

To me build, a bonnet and a boot and I don't have to roll out of it on my knees,

But I was just thinking if this car is not what I want then a cup v6 Exige might get a look in.
Or go the other way and buy a 2nd hand r8 v10 plus , big drops on these from new.

[mrdemon]

You might think the thread is daft but the main cayman forum plannet 9 owner has copied it :-)

And Porsche do read these :-)

Funny how most want some sort of race car which is not usable on the road though.
I really do just want a sporty road car with adjustment and the 3.8 lump ,

Be nice not to have electric steering but we are doomed on that point me thinks.

I do love this new R8 LMX thing I must say.
And the new TT cabin is a show stopper and he best out there.
Along withe new A3 etron. Audi have some new great cars coming.

[mrdemon]

ORD said:

No, they don't, MrD. They have some generic go-faster crap with soft plastics in the cabin, as ever.

Ok lets look what I said 1 by one :-)

the LMX A 565 BHP NA V10 not sure that's generic go-faster crap not many NA v10 cars about these days, and bloody laser lights :-)

2: the TT cabin, not the drive I said the cabin, it looks great imo inc the steering wheel market leading makes the new Porsche range look old again.
also lets not forget its new weight 1230Kg !!!! lighter than any Porsche for years even the Spyder !!!!

3: the Audi Etron A3, the 1st real high mpg company usable car imo with normal power and range.

none of those are generic go-faster crap imo they are all market leading.

AS for the driver well Porsche failed on that account when they went electric steering (and no manual GT3)as it does feel night and day bad over my R and more Audi (even worse in some cases) if any thing Porsche are building the generic go-faster crap , electric steering , 4 pot turbo's, e diffs, electric hand brakes, etc etc

open your eyes ;-)

and as some one else said Plastic fantastic even the 991 GT3 has plastic dash and many did not spec leather, it looks well cheap.
I have driven the full range of new Porsche cars , none are that exciting any more.

As for a hard core Cayman GT3 style, i'll say it again no thanks, it needs to work on B roads full stop very well.
But I would like normal steering with feel 6pots and that 3.8 NA lump with the 918 steering wheel and buckets.

Edited by mrdemon on Thursday 24th July 08:20

[mrdemon]

I am not getting into the GT3 thing again, it's not a car which works for me and the roads I drive on.
Nor do the ratio's

If it did I would have a 997 tomorrow. the way most guys have their GT3's set up these days most arrive on trailers to track days !!!

If I want that then I will buy a V6 Exige CUP and still drive it there.

I am a bit lost on the GT3 market, not a great road car to use every day, and imo the V6 Cup car is a better track car for my use.
But then I am lost on the Macan buyer also.

we all like what we like, if the GT4 is not road usable then I just might buy the v6 Exige or the R8 v10 plus.
I don't use the Spyder much as the R is just so good, so it just sits there most of the time, if I buy some thing else over the R then I might use the Spyder more.

Both win over any GT3 by miles, the spyder due to the way it feels light and you can have the roof off, the R because it is so usable and has feel.
I just miss a bit of grunt now and again and a GTS x73 Cayman with 6 pots and the 3.8 lump would do me ok. front GT3 arms would be nice though to dial some camber in, and of course shorter ratio's other wise if the GT4 has PDK-S then I might have to jump ship to a PDK car !!!! PDK ratio's are about spot on in the 981.
doing 81mph in 2nd in the manual is NOT.

I would not rule out the new Audi TTRS either for a daily , as I love that engine but that's a long way off it seems.

Edited by mrdemon on Thursday 24th July 09:39

[mrdemon]

:-p

[mrdemon]

Have you driven a Cayman R and GTS back to back, I have as have many Cayman R owners we are all keeping our R's !!!

The race car which you can take to the track is done with the GT3, hence why should the GT4 be like that ? Porsche make a car for that, the GT3, just the fan boys say it's a great road car, which it isn't !!!!

I want a great road car for the driver, the GTS is not that nor is a GT3, the GT4 could be that car.
The best cars for the road which you can take to the track are the R and the Spyder, I own both of those already....

Edited by mrdemon on Friday 25th July 17:55

[mrdemon]

you have gt3 owners swapping cars for the R you have 981 owners going back to the older R

it's the right car for what people now want, and prices are very strong now :-)

[mrdemon]

For Porsche though, you cannot have a faster Cayman than GT3 or even a 991 S for less money.

It might just be a posh GTS with better body kit, another 10bhp and a bit lighter. still going to be a great car, a modern R.
but then not one I would buy brand new at that cost. yes 2nd hand at 45k 2 years on.

that's what you would expect from Porsche, the mags are giving every one the hype, but I cannot see it having a 3.8.
And that's the only way I would part with my cash for brand new.

[mrdemon]

we need to keep GT3 talk off this thread please, it will take a wrong turn.

[mrdemon]

Issue is, we are not racers,

Issue two is porsche need to sell some

Porsche only sold 200 cayman R's in the uk and most of those were speced comfort.

And about 5 x73 speced 981’s Lol

So the 4 people here who want a race car buy a v6 Exige cup, or a GT3.

For the rest of us we would like some thing a bit more exciting than a GTS. , but one we can use every day and only have to own 1 car.

Is there a bigger market for a car like that or is it just me ?

It's daft a Renault can be speced with Ohlins, buckets, big brakes, cup 2’s and it exhausts .

[mrdemon]

What you see is people upgrading to 458 and Astons etc

With the R people are downgrading to it ... Gt3 to r and 981 to r is really a backward step you could say.

[mrdemon]

What rubbish !

The GTS weighs more than a standard S, how is that the new R ?

at least the R was lighter and had buckets as standard.

To spec a GTS to be more R like costs over 70k and it still don't feel as good.

The R got a few bad reviews because people like Harris wanted some cup racer !!! And instead of saying how good it was said it is not hard core enough !!!

But the R did win drivers car of the year in auto car, so not all the reviews were lack lustre.

I only think now the cars finding the right drivers. Nice spec manuals get snapped up.

[mrdemon]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

So like all the reviews it is what people focused on, it should not have been called a R.

Ruined sales imo with the bad press, but better now as smaller numbers and holding price.

Gt4 is a made up name ATM by said press, not Porsche. I still bet it will be a GTS with aero kit and some weight loss and the token 10bhp upgrade.

[mrdemon]

When you look at the run out 987.1 s sport then you have to think how lucky we were to even get the R lol

New ARB, passive dampers and a 1 off 55mm exhaust, it's better than people make out and no parts bin car like the S sport and rs60 were.

Put 370 Bhp, 6 pots and gt3 lca on the R and it would be perfect for me.

Now I am looking out the Porsche brand for my next car as Porsche is no longer a drivers car. They can make more on the Macan and have 2 year waiting lists for a stty SUV.

Edited by mrdemon on Sunday 27th July 10:42