Panamera 3.0 v6 0-60 in 6.8 seconds - Not a bit pathetic
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Don't want to start an argument here but by any stretch is that not a bit rubbish?
I know the 0-62 times are not the be able end all but they still give you a good guage of what the car is like: traction, acceleration, torque etc etc etc
especially for a porsche I find this quite bad....
What are other peoples thoughts - owners and non owners
I know the 0-62 times are not the be able end all but they still give you a good guage of what the car is like: traction, acceleration, torque etc etc etc
especially for a porsche I find this quite bad....
What are other peoples thoughts - owners and non owners
Edited by IATM on Tuesday 28th October 09:04
There is no doubt its a good car and I am sure the mid range punch is great but comparing it to say a 640d gran coupe.
I would have the BMW hands down in a 40-50k price bracket.
or even an audi a7 bitdi.
Yes the porsche has a does have a nicer interior than the A7 but id the bmw's interior is near enough on par with the Porsche or maybe JUST below it.
I would have the BMW hands down in a 40-50k price bracket.
or even an audi a7 bitdi.
Yes the porsche has a does have a nicer interior than the A7 but id the bmw's interior is near enough on par with the Porsche or maybe JUST below it.
pete said:
Have you driven a Panamera of any sort? I had a base spec 3.0 diesel as a loaner and absolutely loved it. Great steering, good chassis setup even on steel springs (on air like my Cayenne it would be terrific), and a lovely driving position. The 640 by comparison feels much more detached and generic. I agree the Panny diesel is let down by the engine, but only because the rest of the car is so good that it cries out for a V8 to be really driven. Even so, the Audi-sourced V6 diesel is much more refined than BMW's current x30d and x40d straight six, both of which felt and sounded like spin drier full of rusty washers by comparison.
Pete
I think that's quite a far cry away from the truth regarding the 640d. The reviews on the car are excellent and haven driven one I agree. The engine is a 3.0 twin turbo and its utterly excellent. Pete
I have not driven a panamera but I will soon enough but regarding the 640d m sport gran coupe I drove it was excellent in every way.
pete said:
J
The 640d and current X5 40d I tried were far less refined in terms of the engine than my old 335d, which I absolutely loved. It's very subjective though. The 30d was utterly terrible, but I know that's a different beast.
Be warned about the Panamera if/when you try one: the control weights are far higher than in a BMW - much more 911-like than my Cayenne, which was a surprise. Make sure you get a long enough drive to play with sport mode, and to calibrate your right foot to the throttle weight and long travel. It will definitely feel slow otherwise! I'd also strongly recommend trying the adaptive air suspension. It's a real differentiator over the BMW, even the active setup, and on the Panamera the various modes change both the damping and the effective spring rate together, which obviously isn't possible with steel springs. There's no point paying the premium for the Porsche and then passing on the main option that elevates it over the competition, even though it's pricey.
Lastly, I trust you're looking at the 2014 model with the water cooled turbo and 300bhp? The Panamera I tried had that engine, and it seemed to pull a bit harder and responded better than the older 250bhp motor in my Cayenne.
Pete
Hi Pete, IATM said:
I think that's quite a far cry away from the truth regarding the 640d. The reviews on the car are excellent and haven driven one I agree. The engine is a 3.0 twin turbo and its utterly excellent.
We'll have to agree to disagree The 640d and current X5 40d I tried were far less refined in terms of the engine than my old 335d, which I absolutely loved. It's very subjective though. The 30d was utterly terrible, but I know that's a different beast.Be warned about the Panamera if/when you try one: the control weights are far higher than in a BMW - much more 911-like than my Cayenne, which was a surprise. Make sure you get a long enough drive to play with sport mode, and to calibrate your right foot to the throttle weight and long travel. It will definitely feel slow otherwise! I'd also strongly recommend trying the adaptive air suspension. It's a real differentiator over the BMW, even the active setup, and on the Panamera the various modes change both the damping and the effective spring rate together, which obviously isn't possible with steel springs. There's no point paying the premium for the Porsche and then passing on the main option that elevates it over the competition, even though it's pricey.
Lastly, I trust you're looking at the 2014 model with the water cooled turbo and 300bhp? The Panamera I tried had that engine, and it seemed to pull a bit harder and responded better than the older 250bhp motor in my Cayenne.
Pete
Edited by pete on Tuesday 28th October 21:39
I think maybe in here might be our differences of opinion. As you said it looks like the 2014 Panamera does have an update engine with 300 BHP and 0-62 in 6 seconds but still though, not exactly leading the market.
I was really talking of say a 50k budget, where you could get a pick up very slightly used (6 month old-1 year old) cars such as the 640d m sport, A7 S line BiTdi compared to say a 2-3 year old panamera with more miles and by comparison a weak engine.
I am sure its a great car no doubt but just felt disspointed that porsche felt it ok to put such a weak engine in a what should be a prestigious 4 seater GT car.
red997 said:
I've driven all models in the Panamera range;
the biggest problem I found with the diesel is the fact it's 2wd
it has a fair amount of torque that on our often damp roads will regularly break traction at the rear.
same with the first gen hybrid
to be fair when you are rolling it felt adequately fast.
but we don't buy Porsches to be adequately fast, well I don't
So I bought a 4S
but the turbo itch grew .... and grew... so it was satisfied.
after a great 18 months in the 4S I traded it in for a Turbo
I have however discovered (private road...) that in damp / wet conditions you can get wheelspin at 100mph....in a straight line....
stupidly fast car and drives exceptionally well in my opinion
sure, its no GT3, in terms of driver involvement & feedback, but It would certainly give one a run for its money (yes, I had a GT3)
Now we are getting somewhere. the biggest problem I found with the diesel is the fact it's 2wd
it has a fair amount of torque that on our often damp roads will regularly break traction at the rear.
same with the first gen hybrid
to be fair when you are rolling it felt adequately fast.
but we don't buy Porsches to be adequately fast, well I don't
So I bought a 4S
but the turbo itch grew .... and grew... so it was satisfied.
after a great 18 months in the 4S I traded it in for a Turbo
I have however discovered (private road...) that in damp / wet conditions you can get wheelspin at 100mph....in a straight line....
stupidly fast car and drives exceptionally well in my opinion
sure, its no GT3, in terms of driver involvement & feedback, but It would certainly give one a run for its money (yes, I had a GT3)
That is exactly what I was getting at. You are right, you don't buy a porsche to "make do" it shoulf set standard and set your pants on fire.
So your saying a 4s or turbo. ill save 18 months and wait for a turbo haha.
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