997 GTS Prices and Specs
Discussion
Two threads in a day!
So after all the helpful advice in the "Kids in a 997 GTS" thread it looks like a 997 GTS is going to be a viable option as a daily driver.
I had a quick search but couldn't find any relevant and up-to-date info, so my next question is what have GTS values been doing over the last few months? And is there a "desirable" spec for a GTS?
I see a few have had the alcantera deleted and had full leather instead. Is this a positive or negative for most? And very few seem to be specced with the -20mm Sport chassis and locking diff option. Does there seem to be any preferred spec regarding manual v PDK, similar to how Cayman R's are more desirable as a manual car?
Finally, any personal observations from current or previous GTS owners? Any advice appreciated. Anyone got a Carrera 2 GTS they are thinking of selling?
Jack
So after all the helpful advice in the "Kids in a 997 GTS" thread it looks like a 997 GTS is going to be a viable option as a daily driver.
I had a quick search but couldn't find any relevant and up-to-date info, so my next question is what have GTS values been doing over the last few months? And is there a "desirable" spec for a GTS?
I see a few have had the alcantera deleted and had full leather instead. Is this a positive or negative for most? And very few seem to be specced with the -20mm Sport chassis and locking diff option. Does there seem to be any preferred spec regarding manual v PDK, similar to how Cayman R's are more desirable as a manual car?
Finally, any personal observations from current or previous GTS owners? Any advice appreciated. Anyone got a Carrera 2 GTS they are thinking of selling?
Jack
You should hunt out JP's mega thread on the GTS.
Leather is good, as you don't want the plastic dash, as I understand it.
Cars have been about £60k for most of the last two years. There was a dip before that, but it recovered.
Good luck if you want manual and/or the sports chassis or dislike white. Likewise if you want to avoid those silly wheels.
I've kept away from the GTS, as they were over budget when I bought and I like to kid myself it's pointless to change :-)
Leather is good, as you don't want the plastic dash, as I understand it.
Cars have been about £60k for most of the last two years. There was a dip before that, but it recovered.
Good luck if you want manual and/or the sports chassis or dislike white. Likewise if you want to avoid those silly wheels.
I've kept away from the GTS, as they were over budget when I bought and I like to kid myself it's pointless to change :-)
You want a Manual, with Alcantara plus the Leather option :-) OK when I say you want, that's what I was looking for.
quite rare but when you see the cars that's the only option to have imo.
All leather is OK I guess, but no leather + Alcantara delete is really bad.
quite rare but when you see the cars that's the only option to have imo.
All leather is OK I guess, but no leather + Alcantara delete is really bad.
Edited by mrdemon on Wednesday 29th October 18:52
anthonysjb said:
The perfect spec. 45k in 4 years isn't bad.krallicious said:
The perfect spec. 45k in 4 years isn't bad.
I'm glad it's not just me, I was expecting >60KSurely 42K in 4 years is a reflection of this car being somebodys daily, isn't that a good thing?
Spec is super tasty also.
How compliant is the ride of a GTS compared with a Gen2 Turbo??
As a current owner, hopefully a few things to help. Either be prepared to wait for the ideal spec or compromise. I waited 6 months and still had to compromise (nasty plastic dash, crested seats and ideal colour being the compromises). When I bought mine I drove a PDK GTS, Gen 1 GT3, both gen Turbos, Carrera S and as some would say, the holy grail of the GTS. A manual, sports chassis with diff, bucket seat version.
Opted for the PDK GTS, as it suited my needs better than all the rest. The manual GTS with buckets seemed a bit pointless to me...just get a GT3, although back in 2013 they were priced similarly to the GTS (doh!). Interestingly manual GTS was £3k cheaper than the PDK version. According to OPC sale guy 'there's only a few people who would want that spec, if you're wanting to try and hold good residuals, we want PDK cars as they sell easier.' Nothing to do with the £3k difference of course(!), but I do think there's some truth in that, the mass market want PDK.
I don't mind admitting to being one of those in the mass market. I thought the PDK with paddles was amazing and still do. Stick it in full auto and it's a lovely cruiser, definitely a daily driver. In manual with sports mode, on the paddles it's a whole new experience. I miss a third pedal for about 5 seconds every 10 drives...but that's just me. I'm not a fan of full leather (cold in winter without heated seats and warm in summer) so the alcantara with leather was what I wanted and seems to be the popular option. Looks great.
You'll get to try a PDK GTS no problems, manual will be harder to find so go for an 'S' manual model if you want to try the manual 'box. From there, they're very well specced cars and most have pointed out the must haves. The centre locks look amazing and I wanted them, and initially dreaded the thought of a puncture...but even with normal wheels, I'd still need to take it for repair, in my case that's an OPC rather than kwik-fit. I won't lose sleep over that. My only real grief with centre locks is my detailer can't get them off to fully clean and protect.
Go drive a few, decide on spec and as I say be prepared to wait or compromise. I paid £60k in December 13 for an 11 plate with 17k on. Doesn't seem to be much difference a year on, although the 991 GTS might change that. Good luck.
Opted for the PDK GTS, as it suited my needs better than all the rest. The manual GTS with buckets seemed a bit pointless to me...just get a GT3, although back in 2013 they were priced similarly to the GTS (doh!). Interestingly manual GTS was £3k cheaper than the PDK version. According to OPC sale guy 'there's only a few people who would want that spec, if you're wanting to try and hold good residuals, we want PDK cars as they sell easier.' Nothing to do with the £3k difference of course(!), but I do think there's some truth in that, the mass market want PDK.
I don't mind admitting to being one of those in the mass market. I thought the PDK with paddles was amazing and still do. Stick it in full auto and it's a lovely cruiser, definitely a daily driver. In manual with sports mode, on the paddles it's a whole new experience. I miss a third pedal for about 5 seconds every 10 drives...but that's just me. I'm not a fan of full leather (cold in winter without heated seats and warm in summer) so the alcantara with leather was what I wanted and seems to be the popular option. Looks great.
You'll get to try a PDK GTS no problems, manual will be harder to find so go for an 'S' manual model if you want to try the manual 'box. From there, they're very well specced cars and most have pointed out the must haves. The centre locks look amazing and I wanted them, and initially dreaded the thought of a puncture...but even with normal wheels, I'd still need to take it for repair, in my case that's an OPC rather than kwik-fit. I won't lose sleep over that. My only real grief with centre locks is my detailer can't get them off to fully clean and protect.
Go drive a few, decide on spec and as I say be prepared to wait or compromise. I paid £60k in December 13 for an 11 plate with 17k on. Doesn't seem to be much difference a year on, although the 991 GTS might change that. Good luck.
Edited by andyc11 on Thursday 30th October 10:20
Edited by andyc11 on Thursday 30th October 10:22
FeelingLucky said:
I'm glad it's not just me, I was expecting >60K
Surely 42K in 4 years is a reflection of this car being somebodys daily, isn't that a good thing?
Spec is super tasty also.
How compliant is the ride of a GTS compared with a Gen2 Turbo??
Indeed. A non GT Porsche was made to be used every day.Surely 42K in 4 years is a reflection of this car being somebodys daily, isn't that a good thing?
Spec is super tasty also.
How compliant is the ride of a GTS compared with a Gen2 Turbo??
I test drove a GTS with the -20mm PASM and it rode just as well as my Gen 1 turbo (I'm guessing the ride quality of the Gen 2 is about the same). The spyder wheels and it being about 160kg lighter probably helped.
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Very similar to me, drove them back to back. GTS really is a very comfortable car to be in for long periods. Press the sports plus button though and the whole car firms up and it's a different story. Nice to have the option so something definitely worth considering.
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Very similar to me, drove them back to back. GTS really is a very comfortable car to be in for long periods. Press the sports plus button though and the whole car firms up and it's a different story. Nice to have the option so something definitely worth considering.
Thanks Andy for that info. Patience isn't my forte I'm afraid!
I like the look of the Bristol car. Perfect colour for me too.
One final question (for now): the centrelocks. I'm sure I've read somewhere that the 997.2 GT3 centrelocks need some kind of regular maintanence. Is that the case? Do the hubs carriers or nuts or something need replacing at regular intervals?
And where can you get the wheel nut torque multiplier from?
OK, that was 2 questions, sorry
I like the look of the Bristol car. Perfect colour for me too.
One final question (for now): the centrelocks. I'm sure I've read somewhere that the 997.2 GT3 centrelocks need some kind of regular maintanence. Is that the case? Do the hubs carriers or nuts or something need replacing at regular intervals?
And where can you get the wheel nut torque multiplier from?
OK, that was 2 questions, sorry
jackwood said:
Thanks Andy for that info. Patience isn't my forte I'm afraid!
I like the look of the Bristol car. Perfect colour for me too.
One final question (for now): the centrelocks. I'm sure I've read somewhere that the 997.2 GT3 centrelocks need some kind of regular maintanence. Is that the case? Do the hubs carriers or nuts or something need replacing at regular intervals?
And where can you get the wheel nut torque multiplier from?
OK, that was 2 questions, sorry
Unless I've missed instructions from Porsche they don't need any kind of special maintenance. Up to you whether you buy the massive torque wrench. It's a three figure amount, and increasing numbers of tyre fitters have them these days. And if you have a puncture you'll have to call a fitter as there's no spare, so I wouldn't bother buying the tool if I were you.I like the look of the Bristol car. Perfect colour for me too.
One final question (for now): the centrelocks. I'm sure I've read somewhere that the 997.2 GT3 centrelocks need some kind of regular maintanence. Is that the case? Do the hubs carriers or nuts or something need replacing at regular intervals?
And where can you get the wheel nut torque multiplier from?
OK, that was 2 questions, sorry
And re getting one. I really would go for it asap. It really is a beautifully rounded car, as others have said.
Regarding centrelocks and regular maintenance, see the 3rd post down in the thread under this news article..
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=123...
Does this apply to tracked GTS's as well?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=123...
Does this apply to tracked GTS's as well?
jackwood said:
Regarding centrelocks and regular maintenance, see the 3rd post down in the thread under this news article..
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=123...
Does this apply to tracked GTS's as well?
I don't think so. I get plenty of communications from various OPCs, but have never been asked to take my car in for them to check the centre locks.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=123...
Does this apply to tracked GTS's as well?
Had mine for 3 1/2 years from new, 30k miles and never missed a beat. Cost me very little in servicing and general running costs, had a couple of sets of tyres (I think) and a new set of windscreen wipers, new rear discs but that was due to me leaving it standing for long periods after washing and not drying the brakes. Full Geo done during last service as always felt the front was scrubbing a bit, it was and now feels amazingly well planted. Alcantara on the steering wheel is showing signs of wear but that is probably down to my lack of maintenance. Overall it has been a great car, plenty quick when needed but also able to pootle about town.
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