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swimd said:
I did the exact same thing. Pure speculation of course.
If anything it will be a "sendoff special" for the 981.2, so we won't see it for another 3-4 years if it happens.
With the right bits it could be the RS 4.0 of Caymans. No doubt it'll expensive.
Definitely will be mega bucks and RS 4.0 of caymans would be epic. I seem to remember Apolo saying that it will go ahead in one of the other threads. I guess we'll see soon enough.If anything it will be a "sendoff special" for the 981.2, so we won't see it for another 3-4 years if it happens.
With the right bits it could be the RS 4.0 of Caymans. No doubt it'll expensive.
it's the manna that keeps this place going.ChrisW. said:
So what about the V8 mid engined car ??
To what do you think AP was referring when he said that the GT4 had been developed with substantial synergy to a second project that was running in parallel ??
988 ?
I reckon they will do the 988, apparently loads of LOIs already down for that one. GT4RS? Who knows? Nobody thought they'd ever do a GT version of the Cayman and now we know that's not true. Here's hoping they do and that its a little more hardcore!To what do you think AP was referring when he said that the GT4 had been developed with substantial synergy to a second project that was running in parallel ??
988 ?
EricE said:
I don't want to derail the thread but I understand the appeal for cars like the GTS/Turbo which are genuinely quick but quite useable cars in everyday life because of the rear seats.
Once you go GT3 Clubsport and delete the rear seats, that's where the concept seems to fall apart for me. Give me a Cayman with the GT3 engine and RWS over that any time of the day. Minus the fires if possible...
Yes Cayman with GT3 engine and greater focus out of the box would be just what the doctor ordered. Not too bothered about the RWS, doubt they'll do that though, it'll be far too quick!Once you go GT3 Clubsport and delete the rear seats, that's where the concept seems to fall apart for me. Give me a Cayman with the GT3 engine and RWS over that any time of the day. Minus the fires if possible...
Carl_Docklands said:
if they do make a cayman with a motorsport team enhanced engine and transmission, i hope they make more than 2 per opc 
there is a market for one and it may help porsche offset the cost of developing a cup car, I think its a question of how many years we will need to wait.
Little chance of that I'd say - there's no way that they'll allow more GT4RS than GT4 in my view (if they make it) - 2 per OPC is probably about right.there is a market for one and it may help porsche offset the cost of developing a cup car, I think its a question of how many years we will need to wait.
I'd be quite surprised if they didn't make it though - somewhere between 2 and 4 years from now in my view. I mean everybody has gone crazy for the GT4 already and nobody has driven one yet! Perfect way to keep brand interest / credibility high.
DMC2 said:
Carl_Docklands said:
if they do make a cayman with a motorsport team enhanced engine and transmission, i hope they make more than 2 per opc
there is a market for one and it may help porsche offset the cost of developing a cup car, I think its a question of how many years we will need to wait.
Roughly 50 cars for the UK and launched six months before the next gen Cayman. PDK. That's the rumour from Porsche GB anyway.there is a market for one and it may help porsche offset the cost of developing a cup car, I think its a question of how many years we will need to wait.
EricE said:
ChrisW. said:
Maybe the RS will simply include the X51 power kit ??
Plus ??
Like the 991 GT3 RS... wider track, CFRP bumpers,lids and wing, magnesium roof, bucket seats, clubsport package. I think it would have to have a real Weissach engine. Make it the N/A manual sendoff at the end of the 981.2 production!Plus ??
Total allocation for UK would be one car for every two OPCs.
X51 on it's own with a few GT4 options thrown in and a paint job would be very lazy - this car wouldn't be cheap, I reckon £80-85k basic, so £90 to £100k including options? 'ring time would be very close to 991GT3 but still a long way off the 991GT3RS, which will be what about 7'08" when it's announced?
From Matthias Muller's Geneva presentation:
"A pure racetrack version will follow during the course of the year: 385 horsepower and it’s irrepressibly fun to drive. The Cayman GT4 represents the lowest cost entry into Porsche’s GT world."
Of course this sounds like a cup car rather than a GT4RS, still it bodes well for the future IMHO, especially as GT4 has proven a very popular product.
"A pure racetrack version will follow during the course of the year: 385 horsepower and it’s irrepressibly fun to drive. The Cayman GT4 represents the lowest cost entry into Porsche’s GT world."
Of course this sounds like a cup car rather than a GT4RS, still it bodes well for the future IMHO, especially as GT4 has proven a very popular product.
Edited by J-P on Wednesday 4th March 19:45
Evo article:
[i]As the track-ready Porsche Cayman GT4 made its public debut at the Geneva motor show, Porsche Motorsport boss Andreas Preuninger hinted that his department might yet build a faster, lighter RS version.
The Cayman GT4 is the first Cayman model to receive the attention of Preuninger’s team, which has been responsible for each of the stripped-out 911 GT models since the original 911 GT3. Borrowing the 3.8-litre engine from the 911 Carrera S, the Cayman GT4 is the most powerful Cayman to date – but Porsche Motorsport could yet take the concept even further.
Speaking in Geneva, Preuninger said, ‘This is just the beginning of the era. I would be interested in doing a Cayman GT4 RS version, but at the moment we didn’t even talk about such a thing. If the customers call for something like this we could think about it.
‘We underestimated the success of the Cayman GT4, which shows that we were right with the concept. In England, within three days two years of cars were sold. It happened in Sweden, it happened in Germany…everywhere.’
Preuninger also explained his decision to only offer a manual gearbox on the Cayman GT4, saying ‘We put a manual in it for good reason – to show people that we listened.’ Clearly, then, Porsche Motorsport is responsive to its customers’ demands. If enough people call for a Cayman GT4 RS, it might just happen…[/i]
So time for us to start making some noise...
[i]As the track-ready Porsche Cayman GT4 made its public debut at the Geneva motor show, Porsche Motorsport boss Andreas Preuninger hinted that his department might yet build a faster, lighter RS version.
The Cayman GT4 is the first Cayman model to receive the attention of Preuninger’s team, which has been responsible for each of the stripped-out 911 GT models since the original 911 GT3. Borrowing the 3.8-litre engine from the 911 Carrera S, the Cayman GT4 is the most powerful Cayman to date – but Porsche Motorsport could yet take the concept even further.
Speaking in Geneva, Preuninger said, ‘This is just the beginning of the era. I would be interested in doing a Cayman GT4 RS version, but at the moment we didn’t even talk about such a thing. If the customers call for something like this we could think about it.
‘We underestimated the success of the Cayman GT4, which shows that we were right with the concept. In England, within three days two years of cars were sold. It happened in Sweden, it happened in Germany…everywhere.’
Preuninger also explained his decision to only offer a manual gearbox on the Cayman GT4, saying ‘We put a manual in it for good reason – to show people that we listened.’ Clearly, then, Porsche Motorsport is responsive to its customers’ demands. If enough people call for a Cayman GT4 RS, it might just happen…[/i]
So time for us to start making some noise...
jackwood said:
fioran0 said:
The last I heard, the budget/club racer Cayman that was planned for 2016 will be PDK. It is not too much of a stretch to assume that some jazzed up GT4 with a PDK will also hit the showrooms. Porsche aren't typically shy in making sure their model layering is thorough enough to stop anyone falling through a crack. Given the way they have been shifting the ground with their organisational ad-speak (PDK for performance, manual for fun) I can't see them having trouble positioning it in a landscape already containing a GT4 (and using RS or similar).
FWIW, on the cayman racer. No single make series plans initially. The car will be a production line vehicle that will be sold through regular dealers. No involvement or support from Motorsports (i.e. build, maintenance or spares). PDK, stock engine, no homologation (including for GT4 series) and no identified race series use.
It is planned to be an entry level track car that will act as a gateway drug for the Cups. Porsche perhaps feel there are a few customers they could hook by making entry easier and cheaper.
This was the gist, however it all still sounded somewhat fluid so time will tell how much of that comes to pass.
So would it be fully stripped, full cage, buckets, adjustable passive damping, everything FIA approved, etc? How would that work if there was no motorsport involvement? Leave it to the regular production guys to design it?FWIW, on the cayman racer. No single make series plans initially. The car will be a production line vehicle that will be sold through regular dealers. No involvement or support from Motorsports (i.e. build, maintenance or spares). PDK, stock engine, no homologation (including for GT4 series) and no identified race series use.
It is planned to be an entry level track car that will act as a gateway drug for the Cups. Porsche perhaps feel there are a few customers they could hook by making entry easier and cheaper.
This was the gist, however it all still sounded somewhat fluid so time will tell how much of that comes to pass.
A bit confused what this car is. A lightweight track car (basically a true ClubSport)? Or a race car?
Sorry for the stupid questions.
hunter 66 said:
HI Jack ...... hope all well .
Recently in the last few years GT3 race cars have moved on a lot becoming more complex ( less like their road origin ) a lot faster , so the GT4 class is seen as a future for the Gentleman/ Pro combos ...... so homologation of the GT4 makes sense so there may be a GT4RS as the road homologation car for this GT4 race car ....
Peter
But according to Fiorano's post this new Cayman race car will not be homologated for the GT4 series? R built by the Motorsport team, so confused as to what it is going to be? Recently in the last few years GT3 race cars have moved on a lot becoming more complex ( less like their road origin ) a lot faster , so the GT4 class is seen as a future for the Gentleman/ Pro combos ...... so homologation of the GT4 makes sense so there may be a GT4RS as the road homologation car for this GT4 race car ....
Peter
Littleern said:
Interesting post over on Rennlist this evening. One of the members met with AP at Weissach and it sounds like the GT4RS is not going to make an appearance any time soon:
"1. GT4RS - when I asked will there be a GT4RS his response was - "I think that is too many letters for a GT4, I don't like too much script on the rear end". He followed up with, no not now, not In this generation, and no plans in the future as it would be too close in price to the GT3. "
What was also interesting is that a GT4 with PDK could be announced next week. Here's the link to the thread:
http://rennlist.com/forums/gt4/890925-met-with-and...
"1. GT4RS - when I asked will there be a GT4RS his response was - "I think that is too many letters for a GT4, I don't like too much script on the rear end". He followed up with, no not now, not In this generation, and no plans in the future as it would be too close in price to the GT3. "
What was also interesting is that a GT4 with PDK could be announced next week. Here's the link to the thread:
http://rennlist.com/forums/gt4/890925-met-with-and...
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