How much is a 991GT3RS allocation worth?
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In all likelihood the New RS is likely to come with a £140k price tag. Many here have stated the GT3 was under-priced. Being realistic, the majority with LOI and deposits paid to OPC for the 991RS are going to be sadly let down. With this in mind, what do you think is a price worth paying to guarantee a slot?
My thinking is that with the 4.0RS providing a possible comparable value trajectory for future 991RS values; having the chance to buy one of these cars will likely net a similar return. What is the PH consensus on what being invited to the 991RS party is actually worth?
My thinking is that with the 4.0RS providing a possible comparable value trajectory for future 991RS values; having the chance to buy one of these cars will likely net a similar return. What is the PH consensus on what being invited to the 991RS party is actually worth?
sidicks said:
I think the car will cost £150k and be instantly sellable for £200k.
I hope that anyone who chooses to do that, at the expense of genuine enthusiasts, is never able to obtain a 'special' RS or similar car in the future...
In all likelihood, genuine enthusiasts don't stand a chance of getting a car in the first place. Porsche seem to be going down the Ferrari 'invited VIP only' road, rather than letting the likes of you and I getting involved in such a car.I hope that anyone who chooses to do that, at the expense of genuine enthusiasts, is never able to obtain a 'special' RS or similar car in the future...
Nurburgsingh said:
Ex 991GT3 owner. I was completely blown away with the speed of the 991 the acceleration is relentless, the way it carries speed through twisties is amazing. It is just FAST.
and that for me was also the problem, thats all it is... FAST. for me it was nothing more.
The 7.2RS that replaced it is perhaps not as fast, but it is epic in every other way. It's more engaging, there isn't anything 'fake' about it. ( I'm not convinced that the chatter in the 991 wasn't engineered in as an after thought) You need two feet and two hands to make the RS work, you know you're in something special, even the wiggling of the gear knob before turning the key feels 'right'.
I am in no way knocking the 991, I believe it is progress personified. Progress makes things easy... for me the 991GT3 is not dissimilar to the Nissan GTR, and its not for me.
This just about sums it up perfectly for me. The 991GTR is the better car when measured by conventional top-trumps type metrics. But on every other level the 997 is in a completely different league. I just cannot see how the synthesized later variant can even be compared with the greatness that is the 997. I do not need to drive the auto to know that it will not provide the tactility and complete engagement that the 997 delivers like no other. and that for me was also the problem, thats all it is... FAST. for me it was nothing more.
The 7.2RS that replaced it is perhaps not as fast, but it is epic in every other way. It's more engaging, there isn't anything 'fake' about it. ( I'm not convinced that the chatter in the 991 wasn't engineered in as an after thought) You need two feet and two hands to make the RS work, you know you're in something special, even the wiggling of the gear knob before turning the key feels 'right'.
I am in no way knocking the 991, I believe it is progress personified. Progress makes things easy... for me the 991GT3 is not dissimilar to the Nissan GTR, and its not for me.
I really appreciate and understand what the 991GT3 is all about and fully get why it has it's myriad followers. It is just not the platform from which my personal hoonage fix can be quenched.
Straying a little way off topic to get that off my chest now mind
The 991GT3 is now attaining stratospheric values, £180K now I believe. Bearing this in mind, the base spec 991RS is expected to be around £45k list price more than the GT3. Generally RS variants of the past have progressively stretched away from the normal GT3 prices by some margin. I personally see the 991GT3RS retaining it's £45K margin above the GT3 as an absolute minimum, so as it currently stands, that would equate to around a £200-220K price at launch. Factor in the press coverage; that will no doubt hail this an apocalyptic game-changer, rendering all challengers at up to double this price point not worthy, I have no idea where this will take asking prices... Any here more informed than I like to hazard a guess???
Edited by Richie200 on Tuesday 24th February 20:53
APOLO1 said:
Richie200 said:
This just about sums it up perfectly for me. The 991GTR is the better car when measured by conventional top-trumps type metrics. But on every other level the 997 is in a completely different league. I just cannot see how the synthesized later variant can even be compared with the greatness that is the 997. I do not need to drive the auto to know that it will not provide the tactility and complete engagement that the 997 delivers like no other.
I really appreciate and understand what the 991GT3 is all about and fully get why it has it's myriad followers. It is just not the platform from which my personal hoonage fix can be quenched.
Straying a little way off topic to get that off my chest now mind
The 991GT3 is attaining stratospheric values, £180K now I believe. Bearing this in mind, the base spec 991RS is expected to be around £45k list price more than the GT3. Generally RS variants of the past have progressively stretched away from the normal GT3 prices by some margin. I personally see the 991GT3RS retaining it's £45K margin above the GT3 as an absolute minimum, so as it currently stands, that would equate to around a £200-220K price at launch. Factor in the press coverage; that will no doubt hail this an apocalyptic game-changer, rendering all challengers at up to double this price point not worthy and I have no idea where this will take asking prices... Any here more informed than I like to hazard a guess???
Back to this LHD RHD price point for moment, I was chatting to an OPC is Eu today, about prices ect. I showed him the 180k car.........He thought it was for 2.......I kid you not..I really appreciate and understand what the 991GT3 is all about and fully get why it has it's myriad followers. It is just not the platform from which my personal hoonage fix can be quenched.
Straying a little way off topic to get that off my chest now mind
The 991GT3 is attaining stratospheric values, £180K now I believe. Bearing this in mind, the base spec 991RS is expected to be around £45k list price more than the GT3. Generally RS variants of the past have progressively stretched away from the normal GT3 prices by some margin. I personally see the 991GT3RS retaining it's £45K margin above the GT3 as an absolute minimum, so as it currently stands, that would equate to around a £200-220K price at launch. Factor in the press coverage; that will no doubt hail this an apocalyptic game-changer, rendering all challengers at up to double this price point not worthy and I have no idea where this will take asking prices... Any here more informed than I like to hazard a guess???
isaldiri said:
It's a question of supply I guess. ~120 UK RHD 6RS out of the 650 ish cars? Compared to maybe ~130 UK 7.2RS out of 1600 cars and say ~180 UK 991 GT3s vs worldwide ~2k cars? The CSL is a good example as well, there were a lot of RHD cars (~500) out of a total of 1400 cars I think and the LHD CSL for some years have been a lot more expensive.
You are quite right and I understand the supply vs demand argument, I just don't think it answers the size of the discrepancy in this case. majordad said:
IMHO this is an example of the kind of pointless thread that has been appearing on PH in recent times. Before that the posters were enthusiasts not speculators or dreamers.
Fair point. It is winter mind and you are not likely to be getting inundated with Stelvio via B500 euro trip videos. We are also on the cusp of the new all singing all dancing RS being born. There is also no getting away from the fact that these special Porsches are to some degree special due to the financial security they provide as well as the un-paralleled performance. There is no bigger PH than me; I have spent my whole life either on trackdays or building track cars in my garage so please don't assume someone cannot be an enthusiast just because they have questions about how to best approach an opportunity. The good thing with Porsche currently, is you are able to benefit from the fantastic driving experience combined with not losing crazy money to fund your passion (unlike some of the cars I have had in the past).
If you consider the thread pointless it is your choice not to read or post. It is fairly obvious from the title that it is probably of no interest to you, judging by your post. TBH value threads don't float my boat in the slightest. I am however in a position of having the possibility of getting an allocation but due to not being interested in the whole auto thing don't want the car. This led me consider my options and hence open the debate here to a wider audience of guys who have far more experience in this area than I do.
alphonso said:
Richie200 said:
In all likelihood, genuine enthusiasts don't stand a chance of getting a car in the first place. Porsche seem to be going down the Ferrari 'invited VIP only' road, rather than letting the likes of you and I getting involved in such a car.
Why say you're not going to get an allocation when yesterday you said you were, and that you were going to sell it... and now you're talking up the price...http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
...ugly business
Anyway this ugly business you refer to: Are you telling me that if you were in my shoes and you were offered an RS that you would just simply tell the OPC to just pass the offer to the next in line? Come on fellow, I would have to be a complete retard to walk away and if you pretend that you would act differently you are only fooling yourself.
As it currently stands and as far as I am aware; there is not a single person that knows if they actually have a guaranteed slot, I certainly don't. I can only go by what my OPC have told me. They have requested that I sign 2 documents: a reservation order and a legally binding buyers contract.
Your attempts to tarnish me with the selected quotes are not in anyway justified. I have absolutely nothing to hide and have been completely open and transparent about asking what to do in this situation and in-fact quite the opposite, I may be in the process of helping out a fellow PH getting the chance to own their dream car.
majordad said:
IMHO this is an example of the kind of pointless thread that has been appearing on PH in recent times. Before that the posters were enthusiasts not speculators or dreamers.
Sorry I don't mean to be picking on you Majordad but you did bring up the point which I am sure many here, including myself are all thinking 
What you say though is a bit of a contradiction: As an example here is a thread I started a while back, which I am sure you would agree is an enthusiast thread
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
You did not respond to that thread, in fact nobody did apart from a good friend of mine who I was in the Army with. Yet you respond to this thread. You are your own worst enemy.
for future reference to not embark upon threads of this nature.
there is no Subaru and it was in the Porsche forum
^ We have a winner 
My faith has been restored in PH. Well done Ade It was no drifter though, set up for track-work.
As a prize for your car recognition skills, the next time you are over at the Ring, you pop over to mine, and a nice bottle of Riesling Auslese will be on me
My faith has been restored in PH. Well done Ade It was no drifter though, set up for track-work.As a prize for your car recognition skills, the next time you are over at the Ring, you pop over to mine, and a nice bottle of Riesling Auslese will be on me
Edited by Richie200 on Thursday 26th February 11:05
Maybe I am misreading something here but it doesn't come across too well.No need to apologise fellow, the edit is obviously a more considered post I just imagined a current Evo owner thinking about making the switch over to the world of Porsche; Imagine if he had read that, it would have probably put him off ever buying one. We all start somewhere, and not forgetting our roots is a good leveller to remember regardless of where we are today! 
I just imagined a current Evo owner thinking about making the switch over to the world of Porsche; Imagine if he had read that, it would have probably put him off ever buying one. We all start somewhere, and not forgetting our roots is a good leveller to remember regardless of where we are today! To try and add a little balance and redeem the thread a little here are some pics that my OPC sent to me today (not sure if they are already surfing the net but nonetheless the first time I have seen them. Enjoy
5517, that's more like it
Wilmslowboy I wouldn't worry about not reading the thread, it is pretty much off-topic for 99% and your post about the only of any relevance to the thread. Thanks for your input
5517, that's more like it
Wilmslowboy I wouldn't worry about not reading the thread, it is pretty much off-topic for 99% and your post about the only of any relevance to the thread. Thanks for your input
majordad said:
Sorry Richie, I simply missed your thread, and it does make interesting reading, can't understand why the Scrutineer objected to your scoop. And the photo of the parked RS, yes we saw it before, but I liked seeing it again.
Here is a picture from the day at the Ring; you probably notice the perfect light conditions in bright sunshine, hence the requirement for headlights being nil; regardless the Ringmaster of the day decided to issue me with a little souvenir for a technical infringement as per the second picture 
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