To sell or not to sell - that is the question...
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When I bought my 360, it was my intention that - if I liked it - I'd sell the 996 turbo. I use a Cayenne as a daily and the 360 when the sun shines so that leaves the turbo a bit redundant. I've had the 360 eighteen months, love it despite the large service bill I had yesterday and over the winter decided it was time the turbo finally went up for sale. Waited for spring in case I changed my mind and put it up for sale yesterday. Had a call immediately due to the PH alerts, although obviously that doesn't guarantee a sale. But....
I'm having some doubts. I definitely do want 3 cars because I don't want the 360 to be the backup car if anything goes wrong with the Cayenne or when it's being serviced. So it is my intention to buy something else - but browsing the ads (£10k-ish) it just all looks sensible but dull. I would like a car that cost less to service and didn't really need a specialist but that seems to rule out anything I'd want to drive.
I want 4wd so it's something that's useful all year round.
Problem is - although it's overkill - I can't help thinking the turbo is actually the right car. It's useable all year, looks great and is a decent drive. Although I'm not using it much I think maybe I've not left it long enough into the spring / summer. And maybe I should just use it more!
Any thoughts - especially for something that could replaced it if I don't decided to cancel the ad!
I'm having some doubts. I definitely do want 3 cars because I don't want the 360 to be the backup car if anything goes wrong with the Cayenne or when it's being serviced. So it is my intention to buy something else - but browsing the ads (£10k-ish) it just all looks sensible but dull. I would like a car that cost less to service and didn't really need a specialist but that seems to rule out anything I'd want to drive.
I want 4wd so it's something that's useful all year round.
Problem is - although it's overkill - I can't help thinking the turbo is actually the right car. It's useable all year, looks great and is a decent drive. Although I'm not using it much I think maybe I've not left it long enough into the spring / summer. And maybe I should just use it more!
Any thoughts - especially for something that could replaced it if I don't decided to cancel the ad!
TDT said:
I'd say if it doesnt cost you anything other than fuel, insurance and road tax - Keep it.
You'll lose nothing by keeping it - but will probably want another one of you let it go.
Ironically, I think the insurance might go up even for a cheaper car. My fleet insurance means my 3rd car is basically half price and that's the 360. If I sell the turbo I'm down to two cars and I think the insurance will barely change because the 360 insurance will double. And my 3rd car would then be the dull cheap to insure one!You'll lose nothing by keeping it - but will probably want another one of you let it go.
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But the 360 is fabulous!
ilduce said:
Why not sell the hideous 360 as well and buy something nice?
I've no idea what because I don't know how much you have to spend
but let me know and I'll help you.
oooh I know! A Jag F Type R! In red!
I must admit, the modern jags are good looking cars and I wouldn't be surprised to find one on my drive one day.I've no idea what because I don't know how much you have to spend
but let me know and I'll help you.
oooh I know! A Jag F Type R! In red!
But the 360 is fabulous!
ILoveMondeo said:
Hi David,
It's Dave, the guy who called!
Sorry for the slightly odd call by the way, I'd not long got in from work had a couple of drinks then got the alert so I may not have been entirely sober!
There's a good reason I pounced on your advert, rare colour, good condition and history, owned by someone you could clearly tell knew the car well and really cared about it, all from a well written and presented advert.
I looked at a couple of 35k cars at dealers today, none were very good, tatty, unloved, poor history, etc , other than one which appeared nice but had a mis-mash of owners, garages and a mess of history all over the place.
If yours is as good as your advert says then from my recent experience of looking at cars and following the market for a little while I'd guess you'd likely get close to 35k privately for it. I'd expect one of dealers would have it on sale much closer to 40k.
Your decision to take yours off the market narrowed the pool a bit for me and I'm torn between two I saw today (another thread in this forum about that)...
Good luck whatever you decide to do, but from the sounds of it you already know that keeping it makes sense.
Thanks for the info - interesting.It's Dave, the guy who called!
Sorry for the slightly odd call by the way, I'd not long got in from work had a couple of drinks then got the alert so I may not have been entirely sober!There's a good reason I pounced on your advert, rare colour, good condition and history, owned by someone you could clearly tell knew the car well and really cared about it, all from a well written and presented advert.
I looked at a couple of 35k cars at dealers today, none were very good, tatty, unloved, poor history, etc , other than one which appeared nice but had a mis-mash of owners, garages and a mess of history all over the place.
If yours is as good as your advert says then from my recent experience of looking at cars and following the market for a little while I'd guess you'd likely get close to 35k privately for it. I'd expect one of dealers would have it on sale much closer to 40k.
Your decision to take yours off the market narrowed the pool a bit for me and I'm torn between two I saw today (another thread in this forum about that)...
Good luck whatever you decide to do, but from the sounds of it you already know that keeping it makes sense.
I need to get mine fixed then I'll see how I feel around May time. Should be a bit warmer and hopefully I'll be using it more.
Well, the sunroof fix was easier than expected.
Played about with it this morning and it didn't seem to be mechanical- all the cables etc. were working. Occasionally it would close properly but often it would get about 80% closed and then open itself again about half way. Very odd.
Found a few posts online about resetting / relearning the sunroof and that seems to have solved it. Tried it about a dozen times now and it's been fine.
Played about with it this morning and it didn't seem to be mechanical- all the cables etc. were working. Occasionally it would close properly but often it would get about 80% closed and then open itself again about half way. Very odd.
Found a few posts online about resetting / relearning the sunroof and that seems to have solved it. Tried it about a dozen times now and it's been fine.
There is one car I have been browsing in the ads for the last year or so. It doesn't quite fit into the "practical 4wd" or the £10k-ish planned budget, but.....
I do quite fancy an AM V8 Vantage. Looks like 2005 / 2006 models would be pretty much a straight swap (from a cash perspective), so it's quite tempting. Might have to go and see one, to see what they're really like.
I am a little dubious about their reliability - I remember somebody saying you "learn which warning lights can be ignored". But they're sooooo pretty..... It could replace the turbo very well - in between the sunny weekend 360 and the rubbish weather / do the shopping Cayenne.
I do quite fancy an AM V8 Vantage. Looks like 2005 / 2006 models would be pretty much a straight swap (from a cash perspective), so it's quite tempting. Might have to go and see one, to see what they're really like.
I am a little dubious about their reliability - I remember somebody saying you "learn which warning lights can be ignored". But they're sooooo pretty..... It could replace the turbo very well - in between the sunny weekend 360 and the rubbish weather / do the shopping Cayenne.
Thanks - that was a useful brain dump!
Not driven one, but think I probably need to - it is the looks that appeal more than anything at the moment. Although when I was out for a blast in the 360 last year a vantage was doing the same thing the other way and did sound nice!
I'd only look at manual and think boring black suits the vantage best.
I can live with a power drop - the turbo is silly fast and I could live with a car that is fast, not mentally fast.
Toilet electrics are a concern. The guy opposite me details cars and he says pretty much every Aston he's done has had an engine management light on at some point!
But then, I expected Ferrari build quality to be crap and have been pleasantly surprised (although not sure how I can say that after the zillion pound service it's just had!).
Not driven one, but think I probably need to - it is the looks that appeal more than anything at the moment. Although when I was out for a blast in the 360 last year a vantage was doing the same thing the other way and did sound nice!
I'd only look at manual and think boring black suits the vantage best.
I can live with a power drop - the turbo is silly fast and I could live with a car that is fast, not mentally fast.
Toilet electrics are a concern. The guy opposite me details cars and he says pretty much every Aston he's done has had an engine management light on at some point!
But then, I expected Ferrari build quality to be crap and have been pleasantly surprised (although not sure how I can say that after the zillion pound service it's just had!).
ILoveMondeo said:
I was talking more around entertainment / sat nav / car management, compared to something like the Audi MMI it's pretty poor and that's a commodity product in pretty much all their cars.
No idea about other important electronics like engine management etc.
Anecdotally, whilst doing my research there are good and bad ones, get one that's not needed massive amounts of work but has all the services and you're probably looking good.
I'd personally feel far safer with a warranty from a main dealer, and many of them do still tend to deal with older cars and give their full 12 months on them.
Don't know that there are many Aston only specialist around like there are for Porsche. Cant say I looked too hard though.
In that case, I think the pcm in a 996 turbo might shock you!No idea about other important electronics like engine management etc.
Anecdotally, whilst doing my research there are good and bad ones, get one that's not needed massive amounts of work but has all the services and you're probably looking good.
I'd personally feel far safer with a warranty from a main dealer, and many of them do still tend to deal with older cars and give their full 12 months on them.
Don't know that there are many Aston only specialist around like there are for Porsche. Cant say I looked too hard though.
The service cost on the 360.... Hmm, let's say £3k would have been bargain of the century for what I had done. The basic major was about £2k anyway. I needed 4 new front ball joints, new wiper motor (4 hours labour sadly). I also wanted loss of other stuff done to bring the car up to my standard - new under tray, alignment, new membrane in the luggage compartment because I knew mine had been cut, some paint in the engine bay where it had peeled around the filler cap etc. Let's say I'm happy with what I was charged but it was more than £3k!
Crimp said:
IMIA said:
Okay not that bad then. Think most I've paid is circa £5-6k but that included a warranty renewal on a 997 turbo a few years back.
Back on topic I do not know much about Astons but have seen them on these HRE 101 wheels and they look magnificent. Get a V12V if you can! Future classic IMO
Love these, tempted to unload my 6T for one.Back on topic I do not know much about Astons but have seen them on these HRE 101 wheels and they look magnificent. Get a V12V if you can! Future classic IMO
I think I've done the 911 thing now
Met with a very helpful Vantage owner today, who talked me through the ownership experience and took me out for a run.
I was very impressed - seemed fast enough, gorgeous noise and the interior is a lovely place to be (although also slightly odd - quite a high dashboard).
I'm pretty much sold and I want one, so the turbo will go back up for sale. Finding the colour and spec I want might take a while but we'll see. I did consider buying one first before I put the turbo up for sale but that would be a tad irresponsible. I may start looking at the same time I'm trying to sell though!
I was very impressed - seemed fast enough, gorgeous noise and the interior is a lovely place to be (although also slightly odd - quite a high dashboard).
I'm pretty much sold and I want one, so the turbo will go back up for sale. Finding the colour and spec I want might take a while but we'll see. I did consider buying one first before I put the turbo up for sale but that would be a tad irresponsible. I may start looking at the same time I'm trying to sell though!
John Islam said:
Yes i know they feel different but he should sell the porsche turbo, ferrari 360 and buy a ferrari 430 spider. nowadays they go for around 65k (gbp pounds)
I want to continue having 3 cars so selling two to buy one wouldn't work. Plus, I have no desire to buy a newer Ferrari at the moment. For me, the 360 is perfect - I'm sure newer cars are "better" but the 360 really is ideal for me so I wouldn't pay for something I don't yet know I want.The "two sports cars" argument is valid though. The reason I thought about selling the turbo in the first place is because it fits awkwardly in my collection and that would be true of a vantage too. Unfortunately, the sensible choices don't interest me - I already have the Cayenne so if I want 3 cars the 3rd one needs reasonable power and reasonable style.
I did it - taken a deposit so the car is now sold, and my 996 turbo experience ends after five and a half years - and I guess my 911 experience has ended after roughly 15 years.
As mentioned in another thread, it was probably priced a tad low - it sold within about 48 hours. Plus, there were several enquiries from "private" buyers who were dealers. Incidentally, just in case he's reading it - to the gentleman who initially offered me £30k, then called back to say he'd "talked to his family and they'd agreed he could go to £31k" - I discovered you're a dealer. I despise dishonesty and once I found out you'd been lying to me you wouldn't have got the car at any price.
I don't really regret that it was under priced - the sensible option was to sell it, and if it didn't go quickly I know I would have decided to keep it. For a private sale the ceiling wouldn't be too much higher anyway.
The car hasn't gone yet, and I assume I'll miss it. However, although I did really enjoy driving it back from the mechanics on Friday, I still find that today I'd rather drive one of my other cars. Love the power of it, but for some reason I just don't gel with the car these days, so it clearly is time for it to go.
Will I be back in a 911 in future? Who knows, but to be honest I doubt it. The whole (non turbo) chocolate M96 engine debacle - and Porsche refusal to acknowledge it - leaves a sour taste in my mouth regarding the brand, and makes me distrust many of the newer cars. I still have my Cayenne, and still think it's an amazing car so I haven't yet left the brand completely. In fact I could see myself in a newer Cayenne more likely than a newer 911.
The really good news is that having sold the turbo, I now feel I can start spending on its replacement. Dension (iPod connectivity) is a definite and may be quickly followed by clear rear lights! (Although at roughly £1,000 a set I really need to think about that).
As mentioned in another thread, it was probably priced a tad low - it sold within about 48 hours. Plus, there were several enquiries from "private" buyers who were dealers. Incidentally, just in case he's reading it - to the gentleman who initially offered me £30k, then called back to say he'd "talked to his family and they'd agreed he could go to £31k" - I discovered you're a dealer. I despise dishonesty and once I found out you'd been lying to me you wouldn't have got the car at any price.
I don't really regret that it was under priced - the sensible option was to sell it, and if it didn't go quickly I know I would have decided to keep it. For a private sale the ceiling wouldn't be too much higher anyway.
The car hasn't gone yet, and I assume I'll miss it. However, although I did really enjoy driving it back from the mechanics on Friday, I still find that today I'd rather drive one of my other cars. Love the power of it, but for some reason I just don't gel with the car these days, so it clearly is time for it to go.
Will I be back in a 911 in future? Who knows, but to be honest I doubt it. The whole (non turbo) chocolate M96 engine debacle - and Porsche refusal to acknowledge it - leaves a sour taste in my mouth regarding the brand, and makes me distrust many of the newer cars. I still have my Cayenne, and still think it's an amazing car so I haven't yet left the brand completely. In fact I could see myself in a newer Cayenne more likely than a newer 911.
The really good news is that having sold the turbo, I now feel I can start spending on its replacement. Dension (iPod connectivity) is a definite and may be quickly followed by clear rear lights! (Although at roughly £1,000 a set I really need to think about that).
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