911 (991) Turbo versus Turbo S
Discussion
Hi all,
Long time lurker and recently popped my posting cherry over in the supercar general forum. Long story short, I am looking to upgrade from a Maserati Granturismo MC Shift into something (a) quicker and (b) more modern - mine is a 2009 plate and I fancy something a bit newer and am beginning to feel the Masser despite all the things it does fantastically well, is a little behind the times in some technological aspects.
Whilst I have toyed with the idea of 458's, FF's etc I like the idea of something that is everyday usable and furthermore the car wont be garaged and I worry about having a red Ferrari on the driveway not far from a main road! Too much unwanted attention is pretty much guaranteed, going to save my Ferrari days for when I have a detached house with a garage.
So, having gone through a process of elimination I have arrived at the 911 Turbo being a sensible option - it offers a huge upgrade speed wise, looks incredible, is everyday usable and doesn't scream "look at me" like some of the options I have had to rule out.
My question to the seasoned Porsche experts (please forgive my ignorance, I am very new to Porsche and haven't particularly considered one at any point in life until now) pertains to the differences between the Turbo and the Turbo S. I dont see myself as an expert driver, i.e. I wont be tracking the car, I wont be power sliding round corners etc haha. I wanted to find out whether I am really missing out by NOT getting the S? Will the everyday user who sees a car as more something to like the look of and occasionally put their foot down get the benefit the extra amount of £'s suggests an S will bring?
As things stand a used Turbo S can be found at circa £118k give or take, that is a year or so old with 10 000 or so miles. A used Turbo with 3 - 4000 miles that is less than 6 months old can be found at about the same. Finally, I have the option to buy a brand new Turbo with the Turbo S alloys, sports chrono pack, privacy glass, park assist, cruise control and sunroof for £120k, which is £10 000 off of list price. I am kind of thinking that as someone who isn't a massive "driver", getting the brand new one with the benefits of 3 years warranty, a better residual (hence it is a cheaper deal monthly) etc makes the most sense, when also taking into account how much of an upgrade it is from a 2009 plate Maserati, but I was keen to get a reality check as to whether there is anything huge I am missing out on not getting the S?
Thanks for any help and apologies for the long post!
Long time lurker and recently popped my posting cherry over in the supercar general forum. Long story short, I am looking to upgrade from a Maserati Granturismo MC Shift into something (a) quicker and (b) more modern - mine is a 2009 plate and I fancy something a bit newer and am beginning to feel the Masser despite all the things it does fantastically well, is a little behind the times in some technological aspects.
Whilst I have toyed with the idea of 458's, FF's etc I like the idea of something that is everyday usable and furthermore the car wont be garaged and I worry about having a red Ferrari on the driveway not far from a main road! Too much unwanted attention is pretty much guaranteed, going to save my Ferrari days for when I have a detached house with a garage.
So, having gone through a process of elimination I have arrived at the 911 Turbo being a sensible option - it offers a huge upgrade speed wise, looks incredible, is everyday usable and doesn't scream "look at me" like some of the options I have had to rule out.
My question to the seasoned Porsche experts (please forgive my ignorance, I am very new to Porsche and haven't particularly considered one at any point in life until now) pertains to the differences between the Turbo and the Turbo S. I dont see myself as an expert driver, i.e. I wont be tracking the car, I wont be power sliding round corners etc haha. I wanted to find out whether I am really missing out by NOT getting the S? Will the everyday user who sees a car as more something to like the look of and occasionally put their foot down get the benefit the extra amount of £'s suggests an S will bring?
As things stand a used Turbo S can be found at circa £118k give or take, that is a year or so old with 10 000 or so miles. A used Turbo with 3 - 4000 miles that is less than 6 months old can be found at about the same. Finally, I have the option to buy a brand new Turbo with the Turbo S alloys, sports chrono pack, privacy glass, park assist, cruise control and sunroof for £120k, which is £10 000 off of list price. I am kind of thinking that as someone who isn't a massive "driver", getting the brand new one with the benefits of 3 years warranty, a better residual (hence it is a cheaper deal monthly) etc makes the most sense, when also taking into account how much of an upgrade it is from a 2009 plate Maserati, but I was keen to get a reality check as to whether there is anything huge I am missing out on not getting the S?
Thanks for any help and apologies for the long post!
J-P: cheers for the reply. I am inclined to agree that real world performance difference is probably negligible. From what I can make out the main bit I would definitely want on a non S is the sports chrono and the alloys, and this particular one has both. I don't think I am going to drive it thinking it is too slow, either S or non S would obliterate the Masser. I think the idea of getting one brand new is really appealing, bit of a life box ticked! Granted a new car is a sure fire way to a tonne of depreciation, but I was hoping the £10k off the list price would absorb a bit of the first year depreciation perhaps.....and the fact used ones are going at £3k/£4k less than this brand new one costs kind of makes me wonder if it will be "THAT" bad....
theplumber: thanks also for your comments, much appreciated. I think we are in the same boat - I didn't go into this particularly knowing which I wanted, and it just so happens the Porsche dealer nearest to me has a black and a white non s, both pre registered brand new so they're in a position to discount (btw I thought going into this that Porsche 100% do not discount??). Both have the same spec - sports chrono, sunroof, turbo s alloys etc - perfect. So being impatient I am thinking let's get cracking and pick one of these! For the sake of diligence thought I have come to piston heads for a sanity check :-)
Delighted to hear you aren't having a moment of regret, and as per my comment above I really can't see myself buying the non S and spending time in it wishing it was faster. I think the novelty of a new one would outweigh the benefits of the used S too. Can definitely live without the extra power, LED lights etc, the only problem is the dealer dont have a demonstrator for me to drive (of either!). They are sorting this week and hopefully will be getting into one on Weds. My Maserati has the sports handling pack, which is a firmer ride so I am keen to see how the 911 compares.
Are you in the market for a replacement on yours for now, or is that a hypothetical future problem? An FF has always appealed, they are starting to come into the realms of reasonable pricing as well on the used market! Also is yours white or black out of interest? Trying to decide between the 2, swaying towards white.....
996 : Valid point. Think I am going to get a quote on the S tomorrow (this isnt a cash purchase) and see how the residual is holding up based on the age and miles it has already done. It may be the higher original list means it is a better deal over the 3 years, in which case I will have a serious decision to make! I am kind of thinking the brand new one will have a better residual (60k based on 6000 miles per annum) and thus may be "cheaper" in terms of total cost of ownership, but will definitely weigh up how the S looks and see if it presents a curve ball.
theplumber: thanks also for your comments, much appreciated. I think we are in the same boat - I didn't go into this particularly knowing which I wanted, and it just so happens the Porsche dealer nearest to me has a black and a white non s, both pre registered brand new so they're in a position to discount (btw I thought going into this that Porsche 100% do not discount??). Both have the same spec - sports chrono, sunroof, turbo s alloys etc - perfect. So being impatient I am thinking let's get cracking and pick one of these! For the sake of diligence thought I have come to piston heads for a sanity check :-)
Delighted to hear you aren't having a moment of regret, and as per my comment above I really can't see myself buying the non S and spending time in it wishing it was faster. I think the novelty of a new one would outweigh the benefits of the used S too. Can definitely live without the extra power, LED lights etc, the only problem is the dealer dont have a demonstrator for me to drive (of either!). They are sorting this week and hopefully will be getting into one on Weds. My Maserati has the sports handling pack, which is a firmer ride so I am keen to see how the 911 compares.
Are you in the market for a replacement on yours for now, or is that a hypothetical future problem? An FF has always appealed, they are starting to come into the realms of reasonable pricing as well on the used market! Also is yours white or black out of interest? Trying to decide between the 2, swaying towards white.....
996 : Valid point. Think I am going to get a quote on the S tomorrow (this isnt a cash purchase) and see how the residual is holding up based on the age and miles it has already done. It may be the higher original list means it is a better deal over the 3 years, in which case I will have a serious decision to make! I am kind of thinking the brand new one will have a better residual (60k based on 6000 miles per annum) and thus may be "cheaper" in terms of total cost of ownership, but will definitely weigh up how the S looks and see if it presents a curve ball.
Well gents, after a test drive of the Turbo (not the S), I was utterly blown away. A huge upgrade from the Maserati performance wise. Pulled the trigger and pick up a brand new Turbo on Friday, can not wait - like a kid at Christmas! Thanks for the helpful pointers in the thread, very grateful!
Couldn't quite justify the extra money for an S brand new and the choice then came down to used S versus brand new non S. Having never had a brand new car before, I had to do it! Bit of a life box ticked I suppose. I dont think I will miss the extra few HP but if I do then I can make up for it next time :-)
Interestingly as someone else posted the depreciation is a little worse on the S according to Porsche's own residual values given. Which seems strange!
Oh and I went for white, I think with the "S" alloys having quite a bit of black in them, the black side vents, the black of the panoramic/electric sunroof and the privacy glass it looks incredible!
Interestingly as someone else posted the depreciation is a little worse on the S according to Porsche's own residual values given. Which seems strange!
Oh and I went for white, I think with the "S" alloys having quite a bit of black in them, the black side vents, the black of the panoramic/electric sunroof and the privacy glass it looks incredible!
Discount was £11k give or take, still hoping to get him to throw in a keyring tomorrow ;-)
As an aside, how do Porsche charge £799 for GAP insurance (in fact my mate just bought a McLaren and they wanted £1200) when you can just go online and get it for £315?? The small print doesn't seem any different, quite baffling....
As an aside, how do Porsche charge £799 for GAP insurance (in fact my mate just bought a McLaren and they wanted £1200) when you can just go online and get it for £315?? The small print doesn't seem any different, quite baffling....
Tony 1234 said:
Do you have a link to that please?
I thought someone else had posted this in this very thread, and I can't find it anywhere for the life of me, apologies! Not sure if I am going mad or imagined it. In summary (and granted it isn't an exact science) the residual on a 3 year PCP on a turbo is £55 000 and on a turbo S it is £62 000, whilst the list price differs by £22k ishFeelingLucky said:
I once got drawn in to the "Brand new" myth, having never had "Brand New" before, I spent months in eager anticipation. Then when the day came for the visit to the dealer, followed by the entire rest of the day driving around rural Derbyshire. Then home tuck it away safely in the garage and off to bed, and I spent all night thinking "The second hand car in my garage cost me an awful lot."
No such thing as brand new. (Well there is, but it ends the second you drive off the forecourt)
Particularly when buying approved used, the standard of prep is huge (in my experience) and the Warranty give peace of mind.
Me? I'd have gone for the S, every day and twice on Sunday (I did in fact), I figured that is the only way I wouldn't think "What if?" later down the line.
Must admit I have always, always had approved used in the past. At the time of buying, the "S" models that fitted the criteria were the same price as a brand new non S give or take, but the one I enquired on had 3 previous owners which I wasn't comfortable with for a car that age, and was a 2013 plate. It then came down to do I want to spend £120k on a new non S (including £10k discount) with perfect spec, or get a used S/non S at a few grand less in a spec that wasn't for me. Given the minimal price difference, and the fact the deal was much better on the new one it was quite an easy decision. For example, the new one costs the same per month over a 3 year PCP as the S I got a quote on cost per month over a 5 year PCP with the same deposit.No such thing as brand new. (Well there is, but it ends the second you drive off the forecourt)
Particularly when buying approved used, the standard of prep is huge (in my experience) and the Warranty give peace of mind.
Me? I'd have gone for the S, every day and twice on Sunday (I did in fact), I figured that is the only way I wouldn't think "What if?" later down the line.
Granted, the depreciation on a new car is horrendous, definitely a fact that cant be avoided. The flip side is the car isn't an investment, it is for pleasure and thus far I have enjoyed the experience. Perhaps in part due to it all happening in 4 days from looking at one to driving off in it, might have changed my mind when it is worth x amount in a few months time :-)
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