Evo Mag: Parr Cayman Turbo
Discussion
Hi there, I went to the Sunday Service today and drove there in my dads Cayman S, Ive always been impressed with the way it drove but while on the drive down I was slowly becoming more and more won over by it. I've never been a big fan of the styling or its image, but after a great drive today I was left thinking that it could be happier with a bit more power, and that my reservations regarding its looks etc could be swayed by making it look a bit more serious.
Which leads me to the review of Parr Cayman Turbo in this monthes EVO (480-500 bhp!). I have been hankering over getting another TVR recently but after reading the mag the idea cropped up on the drive home that instead of that, I could pay the costs of this convertion on my dads Cayman in return for half ownership, half running costs etc. Even with both of us using it I doubt it would only cover 7-8k a year, he gets his car tuned to 500bhp for nothing, I get a 500bhp Porsche for around £17k plus with the running costs split 50/50. Everyones a winner and it seems like a good idea at the moment...
In a few months this could turn into a 'build dairy' but at the moment its just ideas, inspiration and advice that would be really helpful to us. The route we would take is to try and create a Cayman GT2 (not that Porsche would ever make one) but let say if they did.
If anyone has any experience of a Turbo'd Cayman, Parr Ltd, or has seen any nice pictures / videos etc of how an official Cayman GT2 could look please post them up.
Thanks in advance.
Which leads me to the review of Parr Cayman Turbo in this monthes EVO (480-500 bhp!). I have been hankering over getting another TVR recently but after reading the mag the idea cropped up on the drive home that instead of that, I could pay the costs of this convertion on my dads Cayman in return for half ownership, half running costs etc. Even with both of us using it I doubt it would only cover 7-8k a year, he gets his car tuned to 500bhp for nothing, I get a 500bhp Porsche for around £17k plus with the running costs split 50/50. Everyones a winner and it seems like a good idea at the moment...
In a few months this could turn into a 'build dairy' but at the moment its just ideas, inspiration and advice that would be really helpful to us. The route we would take is to try and create a Cayman GT2 (not that Porsche would ever make one) but let say if they did.
If anyone has any experience of a Turbo'd Cayman, Parr Ltd, or has seen any nice pictures / videos etc of how an official Cayman GT2 could look please post them up.
Thanks in advance.
TryHarder said:
Just IMO, and its yours so you can do whatever you like, but please don't go and spoil what you have, it is what it is.... just my opinion 
A souped up Cayman is never going to be a GT2......
I see where your coming from... lets say that rather to create a Cayman GT2 (it is an iconic car that would be impossible to equal)... rather we were to take inspiration from it. A souped up Cayman is never going to be a GT2......Im not a big fan of souped up cars either, but take RUF, TechArt etc... i know its 'slightly' different but done tastefully a 'souped up' Cayman could be quite nice.
98c4s, thanks for the info. I'll do some reading.
It does look awful though! Only in America!
TryHarder said:
Now you see 98C4S's Cayman is beautiful, unfortunatly some of the 'creations' on planet porsche, umm, well ... arn't
Again just IMO.....
and thats tame... " if it had wings it would fly " ... oh it has...
Theres a video of this car on you tube (it looks like this one) and the driver is saying that it had 600 odd bhp but its turned down to 560ish hp. I'll have a look for the link.Again just IMO.....
and thats tame... " if it had wings it would fly " ... oh it has...Edited by TryHarder on Sunday 11th October 23:53
It does look awful though! Only in America!
I think that adding a low pressure turbo is the way we would go rather than keeping it N/A (or supercharging).
In regards to chassis upgrades etc, I have had a brief look over a few tuners websites, and other than engine work we would be looking to upgrade the brakes (discs, pads, hoses).
Upgrade the suspension (full bilstein (sp) setup, strut braces, anti-roll bars etc etc
other bits to include will be an LSD, short shift gear sick, possible upgraded clutch, roll cage, bucket seats, 5 point harnesses, race steering wheel, new alloys in black, subtle carbon trinkets to the exterior and a possible respray or one of them 'wraps' (budget depending) in either GT3RS orange or green.
Neither myself or my dad want it to either look or drive like a barry boys wet dream, but rather try to keep true to what we feel it would look like if Porsche were to do this...
One (slightly pointless) thing I'd like is to do is make the engine look a touch nicer with a painted rocker cover, carbon fibre bits etc and to have a glass engine cover to show it off. Has anyone done this? I cant find a glass engine cover anywhere...
Thanks
L
In regards to chassis upgrades etc, I have had a brief look over a few tuners websites, and other than engine work we would be looking to upgrade the brakes (discs, pads, hoses).
Upgrade the suspension (full bilstein (sp) setup, strut braces, anti-roll bars etc etc
other bits to include will be an LSD, short shift gear sick, possible upgraded clutch, roll cage, bucket seats, 5 point harnesses, race steering wheel, new alloys in black, subtle carbon trinkets to the exterior and a possible respray or one of them 'wraps' (budget depending) in either GT3RS orange or green.
Neither myself or my dad want it to either look or drive like a barry boys wet dream, but rather try to keep true to what we feel it would look like if Porsche were to do this...
One (slightly pointless) thing I'd like is to do is make the engine look a touch nicer with a painted rocker cover, carbon fibre bits etc and to have a glass engine cover to show it off. Has anyone done this? I cant find a glass engine cover anywhere...
Thanks
L
Nice car mate, I like the addition of the GT3 front vent.
As it stands I was going to buy a TVR for around £15-£20k, in doing so I would be very happy... I would have to account for the maintanance and running costs, tax, insurance etc. Which of course is not a problem as they are all expected, as with any car.
The TVR would be a high days and holidays weekend car, roughly 5000mls per year.
So now the thought is that instead of buying a TVR, I could spend the money on converting my dads Cayman into a very serious road/track car. So I would own half of a sports car that, chances are, would easily out drive a TVR, be worth a hell of alot more plus it would also not suffer from build quality issues that are to be found in TVR's, it is only 3 years old (TVR likely to be around 6-7 years old). Plus all running costs would be halfed, I would get the use the car whenever I wanted and will also be creating something unique.
THE BIG PROBLEM is that I will not see my money again... Buying a TVR I could sell it and get something for it, any money spent tuning the Cayman would be lost! I imagine spending £20k on it could only add 10-20% to its value, it would also seriously limit the amount of people who would buy it if we ever wanted to sell it. The idea is to never sell though (whichever, TVR or Cayman). If the s
t really did hit the fan I it had to be sold then dont forget I will be due half of its value... (valued around £27,000 at the moment).
Swings and roundabouts... Im not entirely convinced myself so Im happy to hear other opinions.
Thanks
mrdemon said:
I dont see the point in throwing 20k+ modding a Cayman but it's your choice
Generally I tend to agree, looking at it slightly differntly and it does have a point...As it stands I was going to buy a TVR for around £15-£20k, in doing so I would be very happy... I would have to account for the maintanance and running costs, tax, insurance etc. Which of course is not a problem as they are all expected, as with any car.
The TVR would be a high days and holidays weekend car, roughly 5000mls per year.
So now the thought is that instead of buying a TVR, I could spend the money on converting my dads Cayman into a very serious road/track car. So I would own half of a sports car that, chances are, would easily out drive a TVR, be worth a hell of alot more plus it would also not suffer from build quality issues that are to be found in TVR's, it is only 3 years old (TVR likely to be around 6-7 years old). Plus all running costs would be halfed, I would get the use the car whenever I wanted and will also be creating something unique.
THE BIG PROBLEM is that I will not see my money again... Buying a TVR I could sell it and get something for it, any money spent tuning the Cayman would be lost! I imagine spending £20k on it could only add 10-20% to its value, it would also seriously limit the amount of people who would buy it if we ever wanted to sell it. The idea is to never sell though (whichever, TVR or Cayman). If the s
t really did hit the fan I it had to be sold then dont forget I will be due half of its value... (valued around £27,000 at the moment).Swings and roundabouts... Im not entirely convinced myself so Im happy to hear other opinions.
Thanks
mrdemon said:
I love my Cayman and would love a go in the turbo.
But you will not get any money back, forget your 10-20% back.
and the price will get out of control with seats, brakes, shocks, etc etc.
Also it will not be that nice a road car.
you could do what I have done to my car and buy a Lotus Exige for track days and week end fun for the same price.
and 340Bhp Cayman for the road which is enough.
or sell the Cayman and buy a 997 GT3 with both your money, resale will be the best bet doing this and they just work on track.
Also if you buy an Exige , track days are cheap as chips with them on running costs.
And to throw a spanner in the works Porsche rumor is for a Cayman RS very soon.
MrD... have to say that if one was to spend £20,000 at a respected tuning company in having the car professionaly set up to 500bhp then I would expect the resale value to raise ever so slightly... expecting an increase of £2000 is quite realistic IMO. But you will not get any money back, forget your 10-20% back.
and the price will get out of control with seats, brakes, shocks, etc etc.
Also it will not be that nice a road car.
you could do what I have done to my car and buy a Lotus Exige for track days and week end fun for the same price.
and 340Bhp Cayman for the road which is enough.
or sell the Cayman and buy a 997 GT3 with both your money, resale will be the best bet doing this and they just work on track.
Also if you buy an Exige , track days are cheap as chips with them on running costs.
And to throw a spanner in the works Porsche rumor is for a Cayman RS very soon.
If the budget starts to get out of control then that is obviously something that could put a stop to it, but until we have recieved exact quotes from the companies then it would be hard to say exactly what could / could not be done.
What makes you say it would not be a nice road car? You say you haven't driven a turbo Cayman so how do you arrive at that opinion?
Also it would not be used as an everyday road car, sunday morning drives in the country and track days would be its sole use.
I'd love to buy a 997 GT3 but they are around mid-low sixties (cheapest), considering the value of my dads Cayman is approx £27k and I have a fund of £20k... giving us £47k total we are still £13-£18k short.
I suspect its the same case with the exige idea... cheapest exiges (S2) are around £18k (or £17k for an S1) leaving only £2-£3k to turn a standard cayman into the very nice example that you have... and I bet it cost you alot more than that.
Last idea; the Cayman RS falls at the exact same hurdle... its got to be mid-50's when released and thats before any options... saying that I hope that a CRS does come out!
Cheers
Lee
wow!
http://www.pistonheads.com/SALES/1184661.htm
If it were down to me alone I'd very tempted, but I know that the old man wont consider selling the Cayman as I know he prefers it over the 911! (Styling/interior etc)
Got to be worth a try though!
http://www.pistonheads.com/SALES/1184661.htm
If it were down to me alone I'd very tempted, but I know that the old man wont consider selling the Cayman as I know he prefers it over the 911! (Styling/interior etc)
Got to be worth a try though!
Edited by Rochester TVR on Monday 12th October 23:06
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