GT2

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is it true what they say.... will it swap 2 lanes when running over an expansion joint ?

has anyone had a 996 GT2 centre-of-gravtied ? did it help ?

how hard is the ride compared to a 96 Gt3 ?

[jackal]

thanks guys

similar info to what im getting on rennlist
they also seem to state there that the car is significantly more precise than the turbo and the suspension is actually a tad softer than the GT3

i love the idea of all that power just to the rear with no electronics... like having say 300bhp in a caterham

also loved this quote from a US road test:


"The GT2 is not an unsafe car, but it is not a car for an unsafe driver."

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I gather they ae lighter than the TT

obviously the balance will be different but do they feel 'light' or nimble as it were, like a GT3 ?
or are they a big heavy brute

i find the gearchange and steering effort of the GT3 very light to the touch.. is the GT2 the same in this respect ?

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SpeedYellow said:

from the factory they dialed in lots of safe understeer, however when you pushed though it, the oversteer was a little snappy and difficult to catch.

thanks for that, makes perfect sense

& that's exactly how evo described the car in their Giant 911 test....

and also, Harris says teh same here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4heInf8p84

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SpeedYellow said:

But small feel difference between GT2 on GT3.

thanks SY

not driven a turbo but driven GT3s + rs so at least I know roughly how she will 'feel' control wise, disregarding the power delivery of course

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thanks again guys

@B16, I dont really want a GT3, i have my 993 for a focused drive and its staying firmly put.. I would rather have something in between a turbo and GT3. I fancy a different experience as well and the huge blown GT2 power and RWD might just be that. I also like the looks. 997 gt's will be beyond budget.

@slippy, thanks for all that info.. interesting. Maybe that's why Sutcliffe once said in some autocar track test that the GT2 with a cage made a massive difference compared to a standard car.

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Slippydiff said:

However try a 996 or 997 Turbo (with similar horsepower to your car) on poorly surfaced, uneven, bumpy and wet roads and I think you may see the GT2s shortcomings brought into sharper focus ! !

Don't get me wrong, the GT2 is a formidable weapon in the right hands, but suited to bumpy, poorly surfaced, uneven roads ? I remain to be convinced

why doesnt the 996tt have the same rigidity issues ?

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graeme36s said:

Slippydiff said:

The 997 bodyshell has almost forty percent more flexural strength than that of the 996 (and is 8% stiffer torsionally) That alone should tell you Porsche AG realised that the 996 bodyshell had some pretty basic and intrinsic shortcomings . . . .
Drive a 996 GT2 with standard suspension along an undulating and poorly surfaced road and you'll feel two things.
The problem being that the dampers and springs don't have a sufficiently stable platform to function from.
Drive the same section of road in a 997 GT3 and the "platform" is so much stiffer with no obvious torsional flexing or lack of flexural stiffness. Quite simply the dampers actually control the wheels as opposed to fighting a losing battle with a bodyshell that doesn't provide the stiffness to allow them to function as they were intended to.
IMO the Moton equipped 996 GT2 I passengered in didn't address the inherent issue with the 996 chassis/bodyshell it merely masked it with top quality damping and a vastly better choice of spring and damper rates !
HTH

At last the first retort that I have read on pistonheads that explains succintely the basic problem with the 996 shell. I take my hat off to you sir. This is exactly why the 996 in any guise holds no real interest for me although I have been tempted with the RS and the GT2. I have no first hand experience of the 997 but it still has no true rear bulkhead. I've seen a 997 GT3 on a four post ramp and in truth I view it as a 911 with a fur coat and no knickers. It is a sudo 911. Has the engine in the right place but that is as far as it goes. It is a 911 in name and nothing more.

grame can you explain what the 997 lacks to make it a true 911 ?

also, how come the 996 has too much bodysheel flex whereas (presumably) the 993, 964, 3.2 etc.. don't ?

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theredbaron said:

a certain well known tuner, always recomends a turbo above a gt2/3. not as raw, but with a few choice mods is devastating on track. gets the grunt down !

but just look at it



thats impossible to resist !

proper hardcore presence

Edited by jackal on Wednesday 18th November 22:42

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lol,

as an ex-esprit onwer i like a bit of flex now and again anyway

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Slippydiff said:

sleep envy said:

fbrs said:

slippydiff are you the guy i met a few years ago at kings cross cart track? you had a stunning red 993 rs...

no, that was me

Well yeh, but no, but yeh . . .
Well at least I actually used mine rather than just polished it Ric !!

Edited by Slippydiff on Thursday 19th November 00:54

that's not a car one should ever sell !

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went up the M1 and back this morning in the 993... not ideal it has to be said

i need a more suitable rocketship badly, something that does 150 standing on its head and feels like its doing about 30 at the same time..... guess i nede to test a GT2 and a turbo ASAP

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madala said:

jackal said:

went up the M1 and back this morning in the 993... not ideal it has to be said

i need a more suitable rocketship badly, something that does 150 standing on its head and feels like its doing about 30 at the same time..... guess i nede to test a GT2 and a turbo ASAP

....please explain in more detail?....was your car not fast enough?.....not comfortable enough?.....or perhaps not noticeable enough!!?.....but being speed yellow I am sure that was not the case....let's face it on the M1 it ain't gonna make a huge amount of difference what 911 you are driving.

I think with the two cars you have mentioned only the my last comment might come into play on the M1....."not noticeable enough".

Hey-ho......

madala, i love mine, don't get me wrong
but its quite focused now and not a long distance car

a more modern longer wheelbased supercar with a >400 lb/ft punch, intergalactic near-200mph gearing etc. is totally different on long journeys.. makes the 993 feel like a skinny hot hatch (which is actually a good thing in most scenrios)

Edited by jackal on Thursday 19th November 13:59

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madala said:

jackal said:

madala said:

jackal said:

went up the M1 and back this morning in the 993... not ideal it has to be said

i need a more suitable rocketship badly, something that does 150 standing on its head and feels like its doing about 30 at the same time..... guess i nede to test a GT2 and a turbo ASAP

....please explain in more detail?....was your car not fast enough?.....not comfortable enough?.....or perhaps not noticeable enough!!?.....but being speed yellow I am sure that was not the case....let's face it on the M1 it ain't gonna make a huge amount of difference what 911 you are driving.

I think with the two cars you have mentioned only the my last comment might come into play on the M1....."not noticeable enough".

Hey-ho......

madala, i love mine, don't get me wrong
but its quite focused now and not a long distance car

a more modern longer wheelbased supercar with a 400+ lb/ft punch is totally different on long journeys.. makes the 993 feel like a skinny hot hatch (which is actually a good thing in most scenrios)

...still really not understanding....if you are wanting to go more "hybrid" and punchy....surely that is going to be just as tiring and perhaps even more uncomfortble and annoying on longish motorway runs....I don't see where you will be getting any benefit on an "M1" run.

whats there to understand ?

allow me to stretch, or hyperbolise (thats probably not a word but who cares) an analogy:

drive to Cannes and back in a 205 GTi 1.6
now do it in a Mclaren Mercedes SLR


are you with me now ? quite a difference eh ?

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nice post slippy

for me, the looks/cache/specialness would be everything as would the slow depreciation or lack of it

i probably wouldn't bother chucking it around lanes
i have my 993 for that or i could pick up an old elise
and tbh. I dont really do that sort of driving anymore

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996GT2 said:

jackal said:

slow depreciation or lack of it

I lost about 1k a month on mine. Bought for 55k from OPC, owned for 16 months, sold for less than 40. Had I have sold it privately I could have got more although it would still be in my garage and I'd have taken about 100 phone calls from tyre kickers. Not an easy car to sell on.

getting near the bottom though surely now ?

if you buy now at 40k.. will they be 30k in a few years time ? I doubt it.


also, if you buy from OPC, sell to OPC .. thats overall mindbendingly more expensive than buying private, selling private I would have thought

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complete porn

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Pork_n_Beem said:

I am used to driving cars that are not perfect, my GT2 is std does not have a cage and the dampers have done 41K, but you know what, if you drive one enough you can find its limits, even mine lets you know whats going on and at no time does it surprise me. Its great to know that after market dampers can make it feel better but i am used to the set up as it is and dont feel the need to spend a load chasing a handling dream.

As long as a car is predictable you can adjust your driving accordingly. The only think that would improve the car for me on b roads is increased ride height as the large front overhand does make the nose dig in when you get airborne.

Interesting thread but perhaps making too much of its std shortcomings which can be driven around anyway.

when you hear these comments about 'Widowmaker', 'lethal' etc.. surely you have to take them with a pinch of salt... they are comments formulated to cater for the lowest common denominator

every car i've driven that has that reputation, turns out that really, you have to be a bit of a numpty to lose it IMO ... someone with a very limited experience & appreciation for RWD physics, poor listening skills or a total lack of car control skills etc..

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FactoryPilot said:

Sorry haven't read the whole thread so I'm not sure what your budget is but how about a 997 GT2?

a private sale 96 GT2 is just 42% of the price of the cheapest used 997 GT2

or put another way

i would have to live my entire life all over again and do everything completely differently if i wanted to afford a 97 Gt2 right now, and stomach the depreciation as the 96 has had all the wind taken out but the 97 is right there at the top

with the extra driveability it prolly would be aboutteh perfect car for me though

Edited by jackal on Saturday 21st November 10:11

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