911 track cars......
Discussion
well, after a lovely look around the cars at the oulton rs day last week i thought now's the time to spend a bit of wonga on mine & maybe get myself back into the trackday scene.
however, my car is a carrera4 & a bloody nice one at that! i keep thinking that although its not concourse condition having viewed a lot of other cars it has the potential to be, & turning this into a track hack would be something of a waste of a fantastic road car. i bought the car as something me & the gf could spend a few nice days at a time going down into europe & it's perfect for that, though i feel now after getting the car completely sorted (just a few minor jobs left to sort out) that a project would be a nice way to spend the summer months.
so looking through the forums & the ads as usual for this time of year a few cars are turning up.
they've all been discussed previously but for your entertainment what do you think of these:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/2188102.htm
plus points-loads of money spent in the right areas
bad points-crap colour, very high mileage, sunroof & aircon, snide wheels (
) lucky to ever make your money back come the enevitable resale.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/2523511.htm
plus points-thegoose's racecar!
bad points-it's a race car!
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2590749.htm
plus points-i've never got over the fact that i didn't buy the 165k miler clubsport when i had the chance & they are lovely cars.
bad points-getting a bit long in the tooth for a track car?
i was also going to link the ad for the guards red 964 c4 that was still up yesterday but it seems to have disapeared, it had suspension mods, recaro interior & a few other choice goodies & was up for 19,995.
anyone have any views?
obviously i want an air cooled car, i'm not overly convinced that any of the 993/964/3.2 cars have anything over each other in terms of which would be better as a track car but everyone seems to be going for a 964 at the moment.
other thing is that i'd ideally like to sell my car & spend less than i got for it. i know the green celebration car looks fantastic but i'm not paying anything like that kind of money for a track car-i'd just buy a genuine rs & be done with it.
ps,
many thanks to gt-two for making me want a track car again-nice one lee!
however, my car is a carrera4 & a bloody nice one at that! i keep thinking that although its not concourse condition having viewed a lot of other cars it has the potential to be, & turning this into a track hack would be something of a waste of a fantastic road car. i bought the car as something me & the gf could spend a few nice days at a time going down into europe & it's perfect for that, though i feel now after getting the car completely sorted (just a few minor jobs left to sort out) that a project would be a nice way to spend the summer months.
so looking through the forums & the ads as usual for this time of year a few cars are turning up.
they've all been discussed previously but for your entertainment what do you think of these:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/2188102.htm
plus points-loads of money spent in the right areas
bad points-crap colour, very high mileage, sunroof & aircon, snide wheels (
) lucky to ever make your money back come the enevitable resale.http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/2523511.htm
plus points-thegoose's racecar!
bad points-it's a race car!
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2590749.htm
plus points-i've never got over the fact that i didn't buy the 165k miler clubsport when i had the chance & they are lovely cars.
bad points-getting a bit long in the tooth for a track car?
i was also going to link the ad for the guards red 964 c4 that was still up yesterday but it seems to have disapeared, it had suspension mods, recaro interior & a few other choice goodies & was up for 19,995.
anyone have any views?
obviously i want an air cooled car, i'm not overly convinced that any of the 993/964/3.2 cars have anything over each other in terms of which would be better as a track car but everyone seems to be going for a 964 at the moment.
other thing is that i'd ideally like to sell my car & spend less than i got for it. i know the green celebration car looks fantastic but i'm not paying anything like that kind of money for a track car-i'd just buy a genuine rs & be done with it.
ps,
many thanks to gt-two for making me want a track car again-nice one lee!
Do I have any favourites?
The 3.2 cs has the history behind it-the owner has mailed me some details & yes it was a full on race car once upon a tine. The other thing is regardless that some people will be opposite to me & find that a turn off at the end of the day it's still a cs & will always be worth something-say £20+
the 964 3.8 sounds very interesting, though I'm sure the reason it's been up for sale for a while is because like me people find that mileage a big turn off, + the fact it still has a sunroof. I also think you need to budget for a respray-if not just for the front end ten for a complete change if colour. Of course, this us a little unfair on the vendor as colour is totally subjective & there's nothing to say that if I sprayed it pepermint that it wouldn't put more people off than if it was left blue (though maritime would be a nice compramise
)
the gooses car would more likely be the best track option but would the missus want to travel all the way down to the alps in it? In fact would I?! Making it not just road legal but road habitable may take too much away from the car?
As for building my own car, I'd love to but I know what the basic costs are going to be, I'm sure we all do, & it can't change the fact that if you spend 20k on a car you've got to have a bloody cheap one to start with!
My idea us buy something someones already spent their hard earned on & then spend a little more making it onto the car I really want.
The 4wd c4 964 in guards red was the car that tempted me into this line of thought in the first place but it disapeared off the classifieds between yesterday & today? Anyone know anything about it?
Of course I could just keep the 993 & have a happy missus
The 3.2 cs has the history behind it-the owner has mailed me some details & yes it was a full on race car once upon a tine. The other thing is regardless that some people will be opposite to me & find that a turn off at the end of the day it's still a cs & will always be worth something-say £20+
the 964 3.8 sounds very interesting, though I'm sure the reason it's been up for sale for a while is because like me people find that mileage a big turn off, + the fact it still has a sunroof. I also think you need to budget for a respray-if not just for the front end ten for a complete change if colour. Of course, this us a little unfair on the vendor as colour is totally subjective & there's nothing to say that if I sprayed it pepermint that it wouldn't put more people off than if it was left blue (though maritime would be a nice compramise
)the gooses car would more likely be the best track option but would the missus want to travel all the way down to the alps in it? In fact would I?! Making it not just road legal but road habitable may take too much away from the car?
As for building my own car, I'd love to but I know what the basic costs are going to be, I'm sure we all do, & it can't change the fact that if you spend 20k on a car you've got to have a bloody cheap one to start with!
My idea us buy something someones already spent their hard earned on & then spend a little more making it onto the car I really want.
The 4wd c4 964 in guards red was the car that tempted me into this line of thought in the first place but it disapeared off the classifieds between yesterday & today? Anyone know anything about it?
Of course I could just keep the 993 & have a happy missus
Which one has a thread on rennlist? The 3.8 conversion? It's a fantastic site is rennlist but I find it hard tracking stuff down & keeping up with threads!
As for your car lee, tbh I don't think I could afford it-seeing what some of the other cars are being punted for I don't think you'd be doing yourself a service by asking peanuts!
The thing with most of these cars is they are just carrera's & when you start modifying them they still remain a carrera IMO.
A car that has had the engine rebuilt, has some choice modifications to me is kind of worth around the same as a top end standard car.
I don't blame anyone for asking a lot for these project cars but as nice as the 3.8 looks, if it hadn't had the ninemiester engine & a gearbox rebuild what would it actually be worth? with that mileage & a knackered engine & gearbox? 10 grand? That makes it overpriced IMO, & by quite a big chunk!
I called in at specialist cars the other week & I've got to say I was quite taken by the gulf car but apart from the fact that the missus hated it I can't help thinking the same thing applied to that, regardless of the wide body, fancy paint job, nice wheels & roll cage it's still just a 35k 165k mile 3.2!
It's the same thing with my 993, regardless of all the history, rs body styling, suspension refurb, new clutch, transmission rebuild etc etc how much can you ever really ask for a 78k mile carrera4?
As for your car lee, tbh I don't think I could afford it-seeing what some of the other cars are being punted for I don't think you'd be doing yourself a service by asking peanuts!
The thing with most of these cars is they are just carrera's & when you start modifying them they still remain a carrera IMO.
A car that has had the engine rebuilt, has some choice modifications to me is kind of worth around the same as a top end standard car.
I don't blame anyone for asking a lot for these project cars but as nice as the 3.8 looks, if it hadn't had the ninemiester engine & a gearbox rebuild what would it actually be worth? with that mileage & a knackered engine & gearbox? 10 grand? That makes it overpriced IMO, & by quite a big chunk!
I called in at specialist cars the other week & I've got to say I was quite taken by the gulf car but apart from the fact that the missus hated it I can't help thinking the same thing applied to that, regardless of the wide body, fancy paint job, nice wheels & roll cage it's still just a 35k 165k mile 3.2!
It's the same thing with my 993, regardless of all the history, rs body styling, suspension refurb, new clutch, transmission rebuild etc etc how much can you ever really ask for a 78k mile carrera4?
OlberFKWJ said:
Ah no, it was the £19995 red RS rep that was up for sale :
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/964-forum/58...
looked nice didn't it?http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/964-forum/58...
strip the 4wd hardware out, fir some cup tyres & it'd be a good un!
Thanks for posting talat, how's your project coming along?
Wasn't sure about the 64 2wd conversion, like you say it's pretty simple in a 93. However, bite the bullet & buy a second hand gearbox & esp with the red cars low mileage I think you'd always be able to find a buyer for the 4wd box-in fact I'm sure someone like Porsche-apart would do an exchange.
Wasn't sure about the 64 2wd conversion, like you say it's pretty simple in a 93. However, bite the bullet & buy a second hand gearbox & esp with the red cars low mileage I think you'd always be able to find a buyer for the 4wd box-in fact I'm sure someone like Porsche-apart would do an exchange.
thegoose said:
Besides the transmission the braking systems are different between a C2 and a C4, so this would need to be converted as well. The C4 has some kind of pump system - you may have noticed that there's a dash light that sometimes takes a few seconds to go out once the car's started - this indicates low pressure, hence it goes out once it's built up. The C2 doesn't have this but I don't know how the systems differ (I would imagine the ABS ECU/programme is different though).
I thought this was just on the 993? My car has the pump (& the associated noise that goes with it!) & it's the same system that was introduced with the 993 RS, the Porsche power brake servo with ABD-the Porsche auto brake differential that works in conjunction with the rear LSD.I didn't realise the 964 had this as well?
thanks steve,
my only problem with the race car option is it just won't be (or will take a massive amount to be) suited to the road car duties. i'd still like to be able to drive the car to the ring & enjoy it & when it's not on a track day, look out the window to a sunny day & think i'll take her out for a blast.
my favourite car i owned for that purpose was my old megane r26.r- sticky tyres, low weight but still comfortable enough to drive down to the alps in (or more importantly comfortable enough for the missus to jump in the passenger seat & come along for the ride in!). we don't mind a bit of harshness but then i'm not looking for anything as cossetting as my old csl.
one mans harsh is another mans compliant, but i doubt it would ever see any more action than track days or perhaps a hill climb or two, i have neither the time nor money to go racing so something that may appear heavy to you guys would probably feel fine to me, for instance anything will have to be able to have a radio fitted & for it to be audiable!
in fact what i'm decribing really does just sound like an RS doen't it?! unfortunatly the funds won't stretch to an RS hence this thread
my only problem with the race car option is it just won't be (or will take a massive amount to be) suited to the road car duties. i'd still like to be able to drive the car to the ring & enjoy it & when it's not on a track day, look out the window to a sunny day & think i'll take her out for a blast.
my favourite car i owned for that purpose was my old megane r26.r- sticky tyres, low weight but still comfortable enough to drive down to the alps in (or more importantly comfortable enough for the missus to jump in the passenger seat & come along for the ride in!). we don't mind a bit of harshness but then i'm not looking for anything as cossetting as my old csl.
one mans harsh is another mans compliant, but i doubt it would ever see any more action than track days or perhaps a hill climb or two, i have neither the time nor money to go racing so something that may appear heavy to you guys would probably feel fine to me, for instance anything will have to be able to have a radio fitted & for it to be audiable!
in fact what i'm decribing really does just sound like an RS doen't it?! unfortunatly the funds won't stretch to an RS hence this thread
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