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Hello there, has anyone heard of or used Secan cored intercoolers?
I am looking at a 32cm x 35cm x 3.5cm cored intercooler for a 500bhp YB on a gt3076 blowing at just under 2 bar. I have an inkling it could be a bit small? I know the secan cores are possibly the very best performing cores available but sometimes there is no substitute for cubes.........as in cubic centimetres!
I am looking at a 32cm x 35cm x 3.5cm cored intercooler for a 500bhp YB on a gt3076 blowing at just under 2 bar. I have an inkling it could be a bit small? I know the secan cores are possibly the very best performing cores available but sometimes there is no substitute for cubes.........as in cubic centimetres!
They manufacture heat exchangers that have been used in top flight Motorsport for decades. Or so I'm told.
Oh and they seem to be very expensive!
I'm also looking at Garrett cores and getting a cooler custom manufactured for the Westfield by someone like Spec-R as they are local. Garrett don't seem to have as many different sizes as Bell though.
Oh and they seem to be very expensive!
I'm also looking at Garrett cores and getting a cooler custom manufactured for the Westfield by someone like Spec-R as they are local. Garrett don't seem to have as many different sizes as Bell though.
Thanks Max, I'm looking at fitting a air/air intercooler in the front of the car where the rad normally is and relocating a larger radiator to the rear of the car. I currently have a water/air system that I want to do away with.
Everyone keeps telling me turbo westfields are a terrible idea and that with IAT probs you'd be better off with a NA duratec. Now I say give me a problem and I'll find a solution. I love the power unhinged power delivery.
With an efficient Garrett core do you think I'd be able to fit a large enough intercooler in the nosecone?
I was thinking of canting it backwards so I can get a 42x51cm frontal area. Would this be enough? If not then I am looking at modifying the nosecone.
Everyone keeps telling me turbo westfields are a terrible idea and that with IAT probs you'd be better off with a NA duratec. Now I say give me a problem and I'll find a solution. I love the power unhinged power delivery.
With an efficient Garrett core do you think I'd be able to fit a large enough intercooler in the nosecone?
I was thinking of canting it backwards so I can get a 42x51cm frontal area. Would this be enough? If not then I am looking at modifying the nosecone.
Thanks Neal, I probably will add an Aquamist hfs3 system, I want to get the basics right first. If it means modifying the nose cone to fit say a 42cm width and 60cm height x 6cm depth inter cooler then that's what I'll do.
What is people's opinions on the end tanks? Blow from left to right across core or top to bottom down core?
What is people's opinions on the end tanks? Blow from left to right across core or top to bottom down core?
The other option is to improve the existing set up using this as the core:
http://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PR...
This as the charge cooler pre rad:
https://www.funkypower.co.uk/catalogue.php?make=MI... ( this would be rear mounted)
Along with a header tank and decent water pump.
http://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PR...
This as the charge cooler pre rad:
https://www.funkypower.co.uk/catalogue.php?make=MI... ( this would be rear mounted)
Along with a header tank and decent water pump.
I have been toying with the idea of rear mounting the rad in the roll bar/cage frame in some sort of enclosure canted leaning into airflow. I`m not chasing power figures but just want to do something a bit different.
I even considered rear mounting an air to air intercooler but I think the pipework alone would make it a laggy old beast.
I don`t want to spend a fortune as it is still a Westie!
I even considered rear mounting an air to air intercooler but I think the pipework alone would make it a laggy old beast.
I don`t want to spend a fortune as it is still a Westie!
Car is now with Nathan and Daniel at Lloyds Specialist Developments.
I was having a smoking issue on vacuum after a period on full boost (20psi) apparently the oil feeds needed rotating 180 degrees so that the turbo could drain itself, on lift off the wastegate was opening and hey presto blue smoke.
The ACT gauge has been installed and a new sensor for the speedometer on the Stack dash. The Silencer had at some point been skinned in Carbon fibre and that had cracked so a new silencer on the way from Tech-Craft or wunoff.
What has taken most time though is pulling a sheared stud out of the exhaust housing. Apparently it must have been built like that as well. Few other studs and bolts missing that have been replaced in the whole manifold/turbo assembly.
Various bad earths traced and some electrical gremlins sorted ready for MOT next week.
Soon as that is done I`ll be donning my wet suit and off to Spec-R. If We do go ahead with my planned air/air intercooler and relocating rad Lloyds will be doing the fabrication.
Very glad I accidentally found Lloyds, fairly local and rescued me last year from some, let`s say less skilled but keen chaps.
One point I raised re the relocation of the rad is will I need a supplementary water pump?
I was having a smoking issue on vacuum after a period on full boost (20psi) apparently the oil feeds needed rotating 180 degrees so that the turbo could drain itself, on lift off the wastegate was opening and hey presto blue smoke.
The ACT gauge has been installed and a new sensor for the speedometer on the Stack dash. The Silencer had at some point been skinned in Carbon fibre and that had cracked so a new silencer on the way from Tech-Craft or wunoff.
What has taken most time though is pulling a sheared stud out of the exhaust housing. Apparently it must have been built like that as well. Few other studs and bolts missing that have been replaced in the whole manifold/turbo assembly.
Various bad earths traced and some electrical gremlins sorted ready for MOT next week.
Soon as that is done I`ll be donning my wet suit and off to Spec-R. If We do go ahead with my planned air/air intercooler and relocating rad Lloyds will be doing the fabrication.
Very glad I accidentally found Lloyds, fairly local and rescued me last year from some, let`s say less skilled but keen chaps.
One point I raised re the relocation of the rad is will I need a supplementary water pump?
Have had another few issues recently, oil leak from turbo caught fire and melted away silicon oil drain pipe that had been installed. Still to find out if any permanent damage done to engine, I was crawling and switched off within 1 second it`s just how long the car had been driving with low oil is an unknown. I still had 46psi oil pressure up until 30 seconds before then is was all over the place so I turned off the road. I had topped up oil before I set off.
Need to drop the rest of the oil to see how much was left.
What do we reckon?
Need to drop the rest of the oil to see how much was left.
What do we reckon?
Another wee update:
The ACT gauge we fitted didn`t work so I ordered another one......which didn`t work.
Needless to say I`ll be sending them both back to Prosport Gauges. Looks like I`m going to have to shell out for a Spa Intercooler gauge at 5 times the price. The old adage rings true, buy cheap buy twice and it still doesn`t work!
Have fitted a new oil feed with less joins, re gapped the stack speed sensor, new Toyo R888s and a new Odyssey battery.
The ACT gauge we fitted didn`t work so I ordered another one......which didn`t work.
Needless to say I`ll be sending them both back to Prosport Gauges. Looks like I`m going to have to shell out for a Spa Intercooler gauge at 5 times the price. The old adage rings true, buy cheap buy twice and it still doesn`t work!
Have fitted a new oil feed with less joins, re gapped the stack speed sensor, new Toyo R888s and a new Odyssey battery.
They can't access the Weber L8 but it's more for me than anything else. Before I go to someone to live map the car I want to iron out all the weaknesses. That's how all this started really. Went to local tuner to adjust fueling and a whole host of problems availed themselves. There are so few people who can live map the Weber I want to get all changes done first so it's one visit.
I'm beginning to think aftermarket may be the way to go!
I'm beginning to think aftermarket may be the way to go!
They couldn't adjust fuelling and the car is now booked into Norris Motorsport for a live map in April. Rather him than me though. He doesn't use a rolling road. Bu**er trying to map my car on the road. I know you're just logging parameters but still!
I have looked at the MSD iaw monitor and it does seem a good option and actually quite cheap.
Thanks for the info on the gauges and thermocouples. I'm off to google!
I have looked at the MSD iaw monitor and it does seem a good option and actually quite cheap.
Thanks for the info on the gauges and thermocouples. I'm off to google!
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