spark plugs for 2004 cv8 monaro
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Thanks for the info. I'm having a small argument with Vauxhall atm. The main Vauxhall dealer near me has said that if I don't fit Vauxhall parts (Plugs and HT leads) they'll void my warranty on the car!!
I did point out that, that practise was made illegal in the 80s because it's monopolistic. He basically said tough. So I called Vauxhall customer support and basically got the same line until I pointed out the illegality of the statement, they quickly recanted saying that it would void the warranty on the engine not the whole car, then eventually that it would void the warranty on the engine if it was deemed by Vauxhall that the damage was caused by not fitting Vauxhall parts (We're talking HT leads and plugs!)
I find the whole episode rather sad. The reason I'm changing the plugs and HT leads is that my current HT leads are arcing and it's reducing the spark somewhat. There's nothing obviously wrong with the current leads and the cars only got 14K miles on it. It would seem that the Vauxhall leads just aren't quite up to the job, thus I thaught I'd try Magnecor HTs. The Vx plugs seem ok as they're fitting platinum ones but a bit expensive. Anyway thaught you might like to hear the story.
Thanks for the help once again
Stu
I did point out that, that practise was made illegal in the 80s because it's monopolistic. He basically said tough. So I called Vauxhall customer support and basically got the same line until I pointed out the illegality of the statement, they quickly recanted saying that it would void the warranty on the engine not the whole car, then eventually that it would void the warranty on the engine if it was deemed by Vauxhall that the damage was caused by not fitting Vauxhall parts (We're talking HT leads and plugs!)
I find the whole episode rather sad. The reason I'm changing the plugs and HT leads is that my current HT leads are arcing and it's reducing the spark somewhat. There's nothing obviously wrong with the current leads and the cars only got 14K miles on it. It would seem that the Vauxhall leads just aren't quite up to the job, thus I thaught I'd try Magnecor HTs. The Vx plugs seem ok as they're fitting platinum ones but a bit expensive. Anyway thaught you might like to hear the story.
Thanks for the help once again
Stu
Thanks Doug but I've already ordered them from Midland Performance Centre Ltd. However I might have ordeed the wrong ones, I didn't realise there were two different sets fitted to the Monaro neither did Midland Performance. So I'll have to wait and see if I get the right ones :/
Car is in at Vauxhall today along with the LPG people. I thaught if I got both of them together they might not just ping pong blame and might actually come to a concensus about what to do. It's costing me, but hopefully it'll be worth it.
I'll keep you informed about the outcome.
Car is in at Vauxhall today along with the LPG people. I thaught if I got both of them together they might not just ping pong blame and might actually come to a concensus about what to do. It's costing me, but hopefully it'll be worth it.
I'll keep you informed about the outcome.
Yes it is. I spoke to them about the backfires and the plastic inlet manifold and they said the problem was sorted out about 2 years ago with the Prinz Gen II or Gen III system (can't remember which) and they haven't had any issues since then. I've got it covered with insurance either way just incase.
It seems ok, however I do have a few teething problems atm, as this thread shows. No comeback from Vauxhall today hopefully they'll give us some feedback tomorrow :/
It seems ok, however I do have a few teething problems atm, as this thread shows. No comeback from Vauxhall today hopefully they'll give us some feedback tomorrow :/
This just gets more and more entertaining (not).
The conversion doesn't void the warranty on the engine. The warranty just won't cover damage to the engine caused by the conversion. (This is word for word what Vauxhall customer service told me). However if I use non Vauxhall HT leads this does void the warranty! (Also word for word from Vauxhall).
Vauxhall say that if you put a screwdriver against the HT leads then you will get arcing off the screwdriver against the engine. Also arcing across the end of the HT lead to the engine by the Plugs is normal. (Is this?)
This is the most interesting and could use some advice on. They also said that the O2 sensors were showing banks one and two were running lean on Gas because the voltage was going up to 1 volt. I'm not an expert but my userstanding was the voltage drops towards zero volts when lean and rises towards 1 volt when running rich.
Who's right here?
Anyway the end of the story is Vauxhall says theres nothing wrong, though they can't explain the 'engine check' light coming on when idling in petrol (didn't do it for them but did it 4 times the day before it went into Vauxhall) and they're charging me for the time it's taken to run the diagnostics. Considering I booked it in on Monday morning and they didn't look at the car till Tuesday I'm not exactly happy with the service, let alone the charge!
Comments and advice would be welcome here everyone.
Ta
Stu
The conversion doesn't void the warranty on the engine. The warranty just won't cover damage to the engine caused by the conversion. (This is word for word what Vauxhall customer service told me). However if I use non Vauxhall HT leads this does void the warranty! (Also word for word from Vauxhall).
Vauxhall say that if you put a screwdriver against the HT leads then you will get arcing off the screwdriver against the engine. Also arcing across the end of the HT lead to the engine by the Plugs is normal. (Is this?)
This is the most interesting and could use some advice on. They also said that the O2 sensors were showing banks one and two were running lean on Gas because the voltage was going up to 1 volt. I'm not an expert but my userstanding was the voltage drops towards zero volts when lean and rises towards 1 volt when running rich.
Who's right here?
Anyway the end of the story is Vauxhall says theres nothing wrong, though they can't explain the 'engine check' light coming on when idling in petrol (didn't do it for them but did it 4 times the day before it went into Vauxhall) and they're charging me for the time it's taken to run the diagnostics. Considering I booked it in on Monday morning and they didn't look at the car till Tuesday I'm not exactly happy with the service, let alone the charge!
Comments and advice would be welcome here everyone.
Ta
Stu
Hi Stu,
Yes of course this is as it should be and has been explained to me by Vauxhall customer service. I have no problem with this. Vauxhall cannot be expected to cover under warranty things caused by non standard kit fitted to the car. However what the dealer is saying is very different, they're saying that all warranty is void, this is patently wrong. Though they are still arguing the point. I would be very interested to know how fitting high quality HT leads could cause damage
The issue at the moment is the check engine light coming on when in petrol (or GAS) when idling after the engine is hot. e.g. I'll drive to work (15 miles) get into a traffic jam near work and the 'check engine' will come up. Trying to diagnose this has let to the HT leads being checked and the arcing showing up. Basically we thing that the arcing to being reflected as a drop in voltage at the spark and thus an mis-fire being picked up by the knock sensor leading to the warning light. To rule this out I want to replace the HT leads with Magnecor KV85s (Which I was hoping would be better quality than Vauxhalls). If this stopped the arcing and the warning message then we're onto a winner. It's just seems like common sense to me.
Yes of course this is as it should be and has been explained to me by Vauxhall customer service. I have no problem with this. Vauxhall cannot be expected to cover under warranty things caused by non standard kit fitted to the car. However what the dealer is saying is very different, they're saying that all warranty is void, this is patently wrong. Though they are still arguing the point. I would be very interested to know how fitting high quality HT leads could cause damage
The issue at the moment is the check engine light coming on when in petrol (or GAS) when idling after the engine is hot. e.g. I'll drive to work (15 miles) get into a traffic jam near work and the 'check engine' will come up. Trying to diagnose this has let to the HT leads being checked and the arcing showing up. Basically we thing that the arcing to being reflected as a drop in voltage at the spark and thus an mis-fire being picked up by the knock sensor leading to the warning light. To rule this out I want to replace the HT leads with Magnecor KV85s (Which I was hoping would be better quality than Vauxhalls). If this stopped the arcing and the warning message then we're onto a winner. It's just seems like common sense to me.
Thanks Booster,
Unfortunatly Southampton is a bit too far for me to travel to (from West midlands) for standard maintenance. The problem is that the car is with my local vauxhall Monaro specialist right now and it's them who are saying that the arcing is normal and acceptable, also them who have the O2 sensor voltages backwards.
Anyway I'm taking the car back tomorrow. The think everything is fine even though the engine check warning comes up on the dashboard!
Unfortunatly Southampton is a bit too far for me to travel to (from West midlands) for standard maintenance. The problem is that the car is with my local vauxhall Monaro specialist right now and it's them who are saying that the arcing is normal and acceptable, also them who have the O2 sensor voltages backwards.
Anyway I'm taking the car back tomorrow. The think everything is fine even though the engine check warning comes up on the dashboard!
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