Some interesting earth history
Discussion
http://ff.org/centers/csspp/library/co2weekly/2005...
"Average global temperatures in the Early Carboniferous Period were hot- approximately 22° C (72° F). However, cooling during the Middle Carboniferous reduced average global temperatures to about 12° C (54° F). As shown on the chart below, this is comparable to the average global temperature on Earth today!
Similarly, atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the Early Carboniferous Period were approximately 1500 ppm (parts per million), but by the Middle Carboniferous had declined to about 350 ppm -- comparable to average CO2 concentrations today!
Earth's atmosphere today contains about 370 ppm CO2 (0.037%). Compared to former geologic times, our present atmosphere, like the Late Carboniferous atmosphere, is CO2- impoverished! In the last 600 million years of Earth's history only the Carboniferous Period and our present age, the Quaternary Period, have witnessed CO2 levels less than 400 ppm."
"To the consternation of global warming proponents, the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age while at the same time CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today-- 4400 ppm. According to greenhouse theory, Earth should have been exceedingly hot. Instead, global temperatures were no warmer than today. Clearly, other factors besides atmospheric carbon influence earth temperatures and global warming."
"Average global temperatures in the Early Carboniferous Period were hot- approximately 22° C (72° F). However, cooling during the Middle Carboniferous reduced average global temperatures to about 12° C (54° F). As shown on the chart below, this is comparable to the average global temperature on Earth today!
Similarly, atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the Early Carboniferous Period were approximately 1500 ppm (parts per million), but by the Middle Carboniferous had declined to about 350 ppm -- comparable to average CO2 concentrations today!
Earth's atmosphere today contains about 370 ppm CO2 (0.037%). Compared to former geologic times, our present atmosphere, like the Late Carboniferous atmosphere, is CO2- impoverished! In the last 600 million years of Earth's history only the Carboniferous Period and our present age, the Quaternary Period, have witnessed CO2 levels less than 400 ppm."
"To the consternation of global warming proponents, the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age while at the same time CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today-- 4400 ppm. According to greenhouse theory, Earth should have been exceedingly hot. Instead, global temperatures were no warmer than today. Clearly, other factors besides atmospheric carbon influence earth temperatures and global warming."
Also methane is 25x more powerful than CO2 as a greenhouse gas. Whats happened with that!? Both are increasing..
I have sadly purchased a 1997 Ford Fairmont with 45,000 on the clock for now. It is RWD and a sedan and large, engine is also 4L so my CO2 producing credentials are retained somewhat.
I am in the market for a vxr8 when the prices fall further. I can get my mates SS when he sells, but with the vxr8's falling nicely and all the ESVA requirements and hassle I think Ill just wait till the vxr8 comes in at the right price. Maybe mid 08.
I have sadly purchased a 1997 Ford Fairmont with 45,000 on the clock for now. It is RWD and a sedan and large, engine is also 4L so my CO2 producing credentials are retained somewhat.
I am in the market for a vxr8 when the prices fall further. I can get my mates SS when he sells, but with the vxr8's falling nicely and all the ESVA requirements and hassle I think Ill just wait till the vxr8 comes in at the right price. Maybe mid 08.
Interesting article here with plenty of scientific references etc.
Three Stages of Knowledge and the IPCC
Our scientific understanding of global warming has gone through three stages:
1985–2003
Old ice core data led us to strongly suspect that CO2 causes global warming.
2003–2007
New ice core data eliminated previous reason for suspecting CO2. No evidence to suspect or exonerate CO2.
From Aug 2007
Know for sure that greenhouse is not causing global warming. CO2 no longer a suspect.
http://www.mises.org/story/2795
Three Stages of Knowledge and the IPCC
Our scientific understanding of global warming has gone through three stages:
1985–2003
Old ice core data led us to strongly suspect that CO2 causes global warming.
2003–2007
New ice core data eliminated previous reason for suspecting CO2. No evidence to suspect or exonerate CO2.
From Aug 2007
Know for sure that greenhouse is not causing global warming. CO2 no longer a suspect.
http://www.mises.org/story/2795
None, they are for communists and sycophants 
Most are in the government (ie communists) who for reasons known only to themselves want energy independance so support the carbon emissions agenda.
However they should look at the inefficiency and waste that is government themselves, how can the government waste 42% of national GDP!? If you want to see carbon footprint, take a look right there. If it was me Id be able to slash that by at least 50%! DWP gone. HMRC almost all gone (well, zero taxes except for a single consumption tax) That doesnt even touch on the private sector overheads of managing payroll, corporate and other taxes.. All carbon emitting waste! Forget transport its a diversion from the real source of waste in this country!
Anyway I digress..
Most are in the government (ie communists) who for reasons known only to themselves want energy independance so support the carbon emissions agenda.
However they should look at the inefficiency and waste that is government themselves, how can the government waste 42% of national GDP!? If you want to see carbon footprint, take a look right there. If it was me Id be able to slash that by at least 50%! DWP gone. HMRC almost all gone (well, zero taxes except for a single consumption tax) That doesnt even touch on the private sector overheads of managing payroll, corporate and other taxes.. All carbon emitting waste! Forget transport its a diversion from the real source of waste in this country!
Anyway I digress..
Edited by ringram on Thursday 13th December 11:50
In case you thought I hadnt finished on this topic
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/08/study-glob...
"Researchers at the University of Leeds (UK) and the World Land Trust have concluded that up to nine times as much carbon dioxide could be emitted using biofuels compared to conventional gasoline and diesel"
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/08/study-glob...
"Researchers at the University of Leeds (UK) and the World Land Trust have concluded that up to nine times as much carbon dioxide could be emitted using biofuels compared to conventional gasoline and diesel"
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