2009 manual V12 Vantage (Magma Red)

2009 manual V12 Vantage (Magma Red)

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nw28840

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All,

Well after last looking at Rob/Molly's fettled VantageS that was for sale local to me.........

I have now switched my attention to our favourite dealer in the North and have enquired about the 2009 V12 Vantage on their website.
(Used to be called Keighley and now Motor-Hub)

  • * MODS i think it's ok to mention the name ? ***
It's only my second day sitting at home after a shoulder operation...and my plan of action to move to an auto/semi-auto car seems to have gone out the window !

First things first , this car has the carbon fibre lightweight seats. I'm 6 foot 4 inches tall so will i be comfortable ?
I remember reading a thread a while back about either those or the sports seats suited a taller person - but can't remember which.

Car was last serviced 11/10/2013 at Stratstone (previously had full up to date AM service history at AM Newport Pagnell).
Would i be able to put the car back under the AM warranty scheme if it passed a pre warranty inspection ? Even though the service history is no longer to schedule.

Car is based up near Leeds ? Can someone recommend an Independent or AM dealer that could do a thorough inspection for me on the car ?

I'm just thinking that if the car cannot go back under an AM warranty then there is no point in having the car inspected by AM.
I would be better using a reputable Independent in the area. Unfortunately I'm down in Berkshire so don't know the independents to use up North.


Any other thoughts appreciated ? Oh and what do you think the car is worth if it all checks out ?

I would be selling my 2008 V8 Vantage roadster privately, so it would be a cash purchase.

Cheers,
Nick

nw28840

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Yep , confirmed they've had the car over a year :

Service History is as follows :

PDI Check 3/12/2009
Car registered 9/12/2009
1st service - Newport Pagnell AM 8482 miles 08/10/2010
2nd service - Newport Pagnell 19036 miles 22/12/2011
3rd service - Newport Pagnell 26659 miles 21/11/2012
4th service - Stratstone - 32440 miles 11/10/2013 - anti corrosion

nw28840

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OK , so AM will charge one hours labour or so and do an pre purchase inspection, but then i have to own the car for 3 months before they then do another pre warranty inspection and will then warranty the car for 12 months for a little over £2k.

I already had an initial conversation with the sellers, if the car checks out - and wasn't a hire car / tracked car or been damaged etc etc
then i think a deal can be done at sub £65k

But i want the inspection done at either an Independent facility or at a Main dealer facility and not at their place of sale - they have said they don't take cars out but that the inspection can be done at their place. That's a definite deal breaker for me.

Also , they have no paperwork of a clutch change on the car, the car has done 34k so it may be in need of one now.

I had my current car ( V8 Vantage Roadster) warranty extended the first couple of years after i bought it - the first year AM told me the clutch needed replacing soon - that was 3 years and 19,000 miles ago - and the clutch feels no different now !


nw28840

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Yep NO 2014 service.

Original AM Warranty was never renewed after December 2012.

Sketchy details on the 2013 service also - Stratstone Amersham don't have any details on file except the car having been there except that the fuel flap was fixed under warranty.

Spoke to Newport Pagnell who serviced the car the first 3 years and that all checks out ok. Couldn't provide any further details due to data protection.



nw28840

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wokkadriver said:
Touché.

I remember seeing a red V12V for sale back in 2013 with a main dealer. I was so unimpressed with the presentation and general feel of the car that I discounted the model for pretty much 4 months. It was only when I tested a DBS back to back with a V12V at Works did I then change my mind.

Of course, it begs the question as to why this particular car has been for sale for so long - to the OP do make sure you look at several so you know what is good and what's not. I would never rely on anyone (especially a dealer) to tell me "they're all like that…"


Good Luck with your search!
Take a look at the pics , unusual interior - Does the car ring a bell ?

http://www.motor-hub.co.uk/used-cars/aston-martin-...

nw28840

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Thanks all for the replies.

Yeah i know i definitely pick 'em - but if it checks out and can be bought at the right price then it'll be worth it.

I've read horror stories re the dealer , I did see the two V12 Vantages for sale from Stratstone at +- mid £70k, but they were both pushing my budget a little too much.

I'm 6 foot 4" and long in the leg , so i think the car has the right seats for me.

I'm concerned about the last service, I need to find out some more details on whether it was actually done in 2013 - will follow up again with Stratstones Amersham tomorrow. As has previously been mentioned it may well be that the car was for sale there and no service was done on the car as it never sold. In that case i don't think I'm brave enough to buy the car - this will mean it won't have been serviced since 21/11/2012 when it had 26659 miles on the clock. It now has 34k on the clock.

Plan to use JCT for the inspection if i get that far - they have said they will talk to the warranty company that AM use for extended warranty and see if they will warranty the car after an inspection at the time I would purchase - rather than the no-claims in the first 3 months - which to me sounds silly if they are happy for the car to pass their inspection !

...and of course I like convertibles (loved my V8 Vantage Coupe, but love the Roadster more) and I didn't plan on buying another manual car.

BUT I'll ignore all that...it's a V12 Vantage smile and in my budget if it all checks out.



Edited by nw28840 on Thursday 30th July 22:34


Edited by nw28840 on Thursday 30th July 22:35

nw28840

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Thanks Jockman - so if i get as far as inspection time....What would be the general consensus ?

Get the inspection done by Bridge Mill or do i go Main Dealer ?

I know i have to go main dealer if i do put the extended warranty on the car but I'm not against to using a recommended independent for the inspection and then using an independent down near me for future work.
The Independent near me is no cheaper than a main dealer but I chose not to renew the extended warranty on my current car (for the 3rd time) as it seems to cover less and less as the years go by (My car is a 2008 V8 Vantage Roadster with 67k on the clock).

I know it's all down to personal preference re: risk - but having the car inspected by the right people will make the decision a lot easier...and of course if it's a bad car then all i've lost is the cost of the inspection.



Edited by nw28840 on Thursday 30th July 23:17

nw28840

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Car has had two owners, first registered keeper was a person then the second registered owner was a limited company that bought the car on 28/02/2014.

If i could verify that a service was done whilst the car was at Stratstone Amersham at 32440 miles 11/10/2013 - then it means the Limited Company second owner that bought the car did approx 1500 miles before the car went back into the trade.

I've googled the car number plate - but unfortunately no hits , Amersham did say it was not on that plate when they had it - so obviously a private plate - just wish i knew what it was !

Who keeps the V12 Register , perhaps they have more info on the Magma Red car ? I have the first owners name if that helps ?

To be honest if i don't do the V12 route i cant see me spending another £30k for a newer V8. I appreciate it will be a totally different car but i think i would either hold on to what i've got (which i absolutely love) or maybe it;'s time to swap for something a little different.

In the meantime, i do acknowledge the many risks involved in looking at this car - I had a shoulder operation 3 days ago so can't drive for the next 2-3 weeks. In the meantime, I'm keeping myself occupied and took the plunge to look inot this car in detail after having viewed the advert for the last year. i just wish i'd had the balls (and funds) to buy the Hammerhead silver one at Works a few months ago !

nw28840

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Points well noted , I blame the painkillers and feeling like I'm away with the fairies half the day smile

Will do a little more investigation, at least I have the luxury of owning a beautiful Aston already ! So if the V12 Vantage dream is out of my reach then it's not a 3rd world problem smile

However it's the longest I've owned a car and no matter how much i tell myself that I won't get anything that compares for the money - I still find myself drawn to the classifieds and especially the last few days when I've had so much time on my hands.

Keeps my mind off the shoulder pain a little anyway !



nw28840

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You see Petop that wouldn't bother me , because I'll only buy if the car checks out 100% and i got it at a great price.

Funnily enough the only car i ever bought without a full documented service history was my 55 plate Vantage Coupe. At the time i owned a Porsche 911 C4S Cabriolet and if you had said to me the day before, I would have sworn i wasn't gonna change car.

But the Aston was on SOR at a garage known to me - the owner was a "Mr Bond" (i promise you). Some time later i found out he was a member at my golf club! and the car had done i think it was just over 4000 miles in the 3 years between Jan 2008 and Feb 2011 when i bought it and had not been serviced in that time.
I had it inspected and paid just over £30k for a 29,000 mile Tungsten Silver Vantage coupe. I sold the Porsche to a guy local to me about 10 minutes after i posted the advert that evening....Pistonheads classifieds rocks smile
Aston was serviced , I had new tyres put on it and owned it for 14 months - I only sold it as the Roadster was for sale local to me and of course i was working from home that day too - with too much time on my hands again ! The first person to view the Aston bought it.
Some time later i even found an EVO magazine article online which showed the car was actually first run by them and detailing running costs / life with the car etc etc....and the car had had a few niggles early on that i knew nothing about of course.





nw28840

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GPH - fantastic , thank you. That makes sense as the car was purchased by the second owner on 28/02/2014 (but in the name of a limited company).

It looks lovely in the photos. I'm guessing this means the car must indeed have been serviced before being sold and an AM Extended warranty put on the car.

I'm awaiting a call back from Stratstones Amersham - they must be able to give me more information on the car than they provided yesterday - which was that they had seen it but no record of a service - let alone being sold there !


nw28840

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krisdelta said:
Nice as that red car is (unusual colour, caught my eye a few times too!), I'd keep my powder dry until it's cold, wet and wintery. You'll be able to get warrantied main dealer car for that price. Obviously if it checks out 100% and you get sub 65k then all well and good and you've got a good deal. smile
KrisD,

Its been for sale that long, that the colour grew on me too smile

I was lucky enough to drive a V12 Vantage over to Ireland for a friend a while back - so the detective work I'm currently putting in may all be worth it.

I'm thinking £62-63k if paperwork all checks out and post a positive inspection at either Bridge Mill or Bamford Rose. Will have to cross the bridge of getting the car taken to an Independent for an inspection at some point (if things get that far).

When i first spoke to the selling dealer on the phone I mentioned £65k to see their reaction, the "salesman" went off to talk to the Boss and didn't put the phone down on me when he returned - so there's a little more to be had off the buying price i reckon and then spend on having it detailed again as per GPH's post smile


Edited by nw28840 on Friday 31st July 11:37

nw28840

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AMDBSNick said:
nw28840 said:
Get the inspection done by Bridge Mill or do i go Main Dealer ?
Bridge Mill
Nick / Jockman - Anyone in particular at Bridge Mill I should ask for / talk to ?

Also took a punt and called a company local to Stratstone Amersham with the same name as the second registered keeper of the vehicle. I spoke to a secretary , she's new in the job unfortunately and so doesn't know if the car was in the park car in early 2014 - The charm still works at least, either that or she spoke to me out of pity smile
I left my number , asked her to speak to leave a note with the Boss, mention I'm looking at a car that he may well be the former owner of - and I'd like a quick chat with him if he a) was the owner and b) is happy to chat.

Edited by nw28840 on Friday 31st July 12:26

nw28840

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I will be talking to Bridge MIll, I spoke to my Independent here in Hampshire this afternoon as I want them to talk to Brdge Mill and go through the details of any inspection done.

I've emailed Bridge Mill this evening with the details so will talk to them in the next few days about an inspection - on their website they say they do inspections at sellers "address". I think I'd prefer the car was taken to them for the inspection but will see what Bridge Mill say about this first and then cross that bridge with the selling dealer afterwards.

On a sad note , my independent in Hampshire is only a few miles from Blackbushe airport where the plane crash took place this afternoon (RIP), A mate came over and drove me there in my Vantage Roadster with the roof down as the weather was so nice - we were supposed to be going to go to the Blackbushe cafe , but all this talk of the V12 Vantage meant we went to see my Independent instead to talk about the car with them. We arrived at the independent just a few minutes before 3pm !

Edited by nw28840 on Friday 31st July 21:44

nw28840

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Ken Figenus said:
I have heard of the odd little end issues pre 2010 V12. Do a search on the BR thread
Hopefully that would be something an inspection would pick up on ?

( I don't have a clue when it comes to this sort of thing )

nw28840

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Ken Figenus said:
nw28840 said:
Ken Figenus said:
I have heard of the odd little end issues pre 2010 V12. Do a search on the BR thread
Hopefully that would be something an inspection would pick up on ?

( I don't have a clue when it comes to this sort of thing )
I don't remember a rattly little end tick box or smoky exhaust tick box let alone a compression test tick box on my 140 point check...

Thanks, have added to my list when I talk to Bridge Mill about an inspection on Monday..

nw28840

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Sunday 2nd August 2015
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Nick,

Same here, my V8 Vantage Roadster had had all services done by HWM since new ( 2012-14 by me ) and this June I chose not to renew the warranty for the first time and also chose to have the car serviced at my local independent (at the same cost as it would have been at HWM) . My car is an 08 plate on 67k.

Replacing a DB9 and a DBS with one car ! It must be one special car to chop those two in for ! Look forward to hearing all about it if you go through with the deal. Depending on what happens with the V12 I obviously may have to sell my current car , no way I'm part-ex'ing it though, I'd hoping to keep any negotiations extremely short with the selling dealer if I go through with the purchase. Such a shame Works already sold the Hammerhead Silver V12 Vantage they were selling earlier this year - otherwise I'd have met you there smile

I've dropped Bridge Mill an email , will follow up with them on Monday, otherwise BR are my next choice - but it's a fair way for them to travel or to get the car to them.




Edited by nw28840 on Sunday 2nd August 00:20

nw28840

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Thanks for all the updates , information.

I spoke to Adam at Bridge Mill - they know the selling dealer and have been been up there once before to do an inspection for a customer on a DB7. They said the experience wasn't great , after making an appointment to inspect and despite having phoned the seller en-route - the car was still tucked away at the back of a load of cars and had a flat battery so wouldn't start. They don't have ramps so the inspection on the V12 just cannot take place there !

I've been back to hospital today, so have had time to think about my next plan of action.

I'm going to phone the seller tomorrow offer to pay for an inspection and i think say that I'm happy to pay for the car transportation to/from Bridge Mill (approx 2 hours each way) subject to the car being in a "reasonable condition" - by that I mean a "positive inspection" report. If the car turns out to be a 'bag of nails' then I'll pay for the inspection, but there's no way I'm paying the seller.

I'm not sure the seller will let the car travel 2 hours each way, they want the inspection done in-house. There's just no way I'm risking buying the car without a detailed inspection.
If the seller are not prepared to let the car go that distance, then i will chat to JCT in Leeds, see if they will do an inspection that includes a full check on the ceramics (as detailed in a previous post) and ask for some sort of guarantee that the inspection has some comeback. Maybe I will be forced to take out an extended warranty for the first year of ownership (a little over £2k) , I can decide that on the back of the inspection report. I would ask them to talk to my local Independent if JCT do the inspection report.

Once again thanks for all the replies...keep 'em coming ! I need all the information / help i can get.

Cheers,
Nick


nw28840

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Wednesday 5th August 2015
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Just spoke to the selling dealership now, (I had to phone 3 times to finally speak to "a Manager" about the car).

They have agreed to deliver the car to Bridge Mill for the inspection....BUT.......

They want a £500 non-refundable deposit (unless the inspection finds gearbox/serious engine issues!!) before they will let the car go offsite for the inspection. I told them there is no need for a deposit if they believe in their "outstanding car" (as it was continually referred to).

I've also been told the absolute lowest price they will let the car go for is £65k.

I'm going to have a think about this for 24 hours - gut feeling at the moment is this has run it's course, it's just too much of a gamble and too much money (for me) at that price.

...and i tend to go with my gut !







nw28840

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Wednesday 5th August 2015
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You are correct but don't forget this has 34k on it so higher mileage than anything else currently being sold and it's a 2009 car.
It also doesn't have full service history - sellers have had the car over a year and it was last due a service in October 2014.


I can still see the point in going through with this though.........But............

The car was advertised for £66.6k and subsequently sold in Feb 2014 at Stratstones AM , this means the car would also have come with an AM extended warranty ( which is worth another £2k ).

I think the prices at the moment are high as it's summer, plus of course the cars advertised are all newer with lower miles.

I'm gonna take a little time to think about this, the selling dealership frightens me to hell to be honest. This may well be a good car but there's a big 'if' he and I don't think it's worth more than £63k to me.
I was looking at having the independent inspection done , then purchasing if all was ok. The. The car would immediately then need a service (so that 's +-£1,250).
Depending on the Bridge MIll inspection I would then have had the 140 point check done at AM and an extended warranty on the car for the first year (another £2k). At some point in the next few months I would then take the car to Bamford Rose and had a further inspection done to highlight any warranty work that should be done by AM and also to get a second opinion on the car.

Selling dealership are prepared for the car to go to Bridge Mill in Macclesfield for inspection , they will not consider Bamford Rose due to the distance. The first few phone calls over the last week they wouldn't even consider an inspection of the car offsite !

UPDATE : Not sure this plan will work as AM may decline to out a warranty on the car due to to a complete service history as previously mentioned. It shouldn't be a problem after a 140 point dealer check but will mean the warranty will effectively be only a 9 month warranty as you are unable to make any claims in the first 90 days.
Note - it's not the small failures that worry me , I'm just trying to look into a way of buying the car and then covering myself from any major issue. Being brutally honest I can't afford more than low to mid sixties, Any higher is just out of my league.

Edited by nw28840 on Wednesday 5th August 12:56