Anyone think it likely...........

[Big Ry]

So i'm sure this has been done to death already, but does anybody on here think it likely that our friends at Gaydon will do a V12VS Manual as a run out model ? It would seem a fitting end to the naturally aspirated 6.0 as it will be the end of an era.

I remember a while ago some people were insisting it was already a done deal, but nothing seems to have emerged (unless I missed it altogether).

If they did do it I wonder whether it would be a limited run or not.

[Big Ry]

AMDBSNick said:

I suspect they may be able to make a decent business case

Lets' "assume" that they will make a case, it would be interesting to see whether they wanted to limit the run or just sell as many as they could (I can see a reason for both view points).

Also it would be interesting to see where it's price point was, either above or below the ASM3. For desirability I could see it pegged above the SS.......

Interesting to see what happens.

[Big Ry]

Flugplatz said:

I don't think so.

Sounds like more of a Porsche trick than something AM would do.

Do you mean a limited run sounds more like Porsche thing or the price issue ?

[Big Ry]

t0s said:

Hanging around this forum certainly creates the impression that there is a lot of support a manual V12Vs, in the more likely truth is that its just the dozen or so of us enthusiastic enough about our cars who post in this forum - and that the rest of the V12V owners would much rather have something automated. It does seem there is still a healthy number of V12V's coming into the market - and I'd be curious as to why they are being sold by their owners - is it because they got tired of shifting?

Horses for courses I guess, however I think there will be a strong demand for manuals for as long as AM build them.

As for lots of V12's coming to market......there are currently 2 V12V's and 1 V12VR coming up on AM used.....personally I think lots of people are now keeping hold of them.

[Big Ry]

t0s said:

Big Ry said:

Horses for courses I guess, however I think there will be a strong demand for manuals for as long as AM build them.

As for lots of V12's coming to market......there are currently 2 V12V's and 1 V12VR coming up on AM used.....personally I think lots of people are now keeping hold of them.

2 V12V = 5% of total sold - that's not insignificant

1200 V12V made and 101 V12VR.........albeit globally.

Not sure of your 5% maths there.......

[Big Ry]

t0s said:

roughrider said:

UK 400-ish

Correct
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/aston_martin...
but my math wasn't.

I stand corrected. 2/(341-25) That's 0.6%

I'd say that's pretty insignificant then, many people seem to be keeping them I'd say

I do wonder what would happen to that stock pile though IF they did release a V12S Manual, would there suddenly be a load up for sale as people swapped for the S ?

Just a thought.

[Big Ry]

jonby said:

How much quicker would a manual V12VS be than V12V, if it had a stick ? I suspect at least half of the performance gains came from the gearbox rather than the power

I'm purely guessing here, but I think it would be more to do with people wanting the last of breed in the garage as opposed to the performance increase etc.

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Flugplatz said:

No, I mean hanging their customers out to dry.

I don't want a manual car and the V12S gearbox is absolute perfection to me however if AM did do a manual V12S it would effect V12S residuals heavily as everyone would think the manual is going to appreciate whether that is true or not, so if AM put the manual in the V12S they would be showing blatant disregard for their existing V12S customers and would lose most of us as brand supporters if they did it.

I hear you but i'm afraid I don't agree. If AM can see a serious business case for producing a manual and the numbers stack up, then I don't think they wouldn't do it in case existing owners get pissed off with it. Their business is to sell cars after all, and whilst I appreciate you might not buy one, I'm sure they'd have no problem in shifting them.

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Flugplatz said:

And by retaining customers faith in the brand they will sell more cars in the long run.
I think it would show that AM understand and support their customers and we would repay their faith with further orders over the coming years.

I think very few existing owners would sell up and buy something else in this scenario. Remember the only real issue here would be the people who bought new V12VR's as that was the only limited run. Even then some existing owners would jump at the chance to order an SR manual.

If AM had the opportunity to sell another few hundred units as they were manuals, then I would rather they did that and topped up the coffers.

All just my humble opinion of course.

[Big Ry]

Flugplatz said:

The manual roadster is not an s and does not have the S upgrades. It was limited to 101 examples.

The S comes with sportshift only. If it became available with a manual that would make the existence of Manual V12 Roadsters exceed the promised 101 even if it did have a "s" spec.

Would you argue that a V8 and a V8S are the same ?

[Big Ry]

Flugplatz said:

I have no knowledge of the cars so cannot comment on that.

All I'm saying is that all owners of V12 Vantage Roadsters, Manual or "S" spec, would prefer not to see a Manual V12R "S" produced, apart from those who would buy one.

I hear you I honestly do, but I don't think you can say that for ALL owners. I bet some existing owners would jump at a new toy

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Flugplatz said:

...apart from those who would buy one.

You missed my last 7 words^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

We are in agreement

Indeed we are

[Big Ry]

Phil74891 said:

So if AM released a V12VS manual tomorrow, how many people on here would step up and buy one? I wouldn't, but it would be interesting to see the level of interest.

If it was a genuine open release (not a limited run) then I'd wait a while and see what happened price wise (or what discount I could get). Even then it would be a stretch for me but one which I could do if I really really wanted to.

Would be interesting to see where it pegged price wise, more or less than the current SS ?

All hypothetical obviously.