New X5 - Any good deals ?

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I'm thinking about moving up from my E70 into a new X5.....E70's been a great car but just fancy a change. Looking at the BMW website there are an awful lot of ex-demonstrators/newly registered very low mileage cars on there.....and anecdotally certainly where I live I have only seen 3 or 4 of them on the road, compared to what seems hundreds of RRS's! I don't think it's selling that well compared to previous generations from anecdotal evidence.

Has anyone got any good deals out of BMW either as a discount for an outright purchase or on a lease deal ?

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I stand corrected! The 2.5d next year?! Wow. That's like the days of the diesel E53 which was just ridiculously popular in its day.

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worsy said:

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I stand corrected! The 2.5d next year?! Wow. That's like the days of the diesel E53 which was just ridiculously popular in its day.

Even a 40d will be November now. If you read the order thread on the link I posted, it would appear that discounts are now out of bounds.

Reading through that forum (and a couple of others) it sounds like a lot of the delays are due to manufacturing issues/supply of parts. One thread I read said that cars with 20" wheels have been especially impacted. Nothing too unusual with a new car....my E70 was one of the first SD's in the country (built Nov 2007)....I remember there was a much longer wait for that model than the standard diesel because engines were in short supply.

Current car will be 7 years old by the time I could have one made to spec delivered. I'll wait I think and see how things are regarding deals once manufacturing teething problems are sorted. Paid full list price for mine as I needed the car promptly, not in such a hurry now....I can wait a year and see how things look!

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Carmo99 said:

Popped into my local dealer (in Switzerland) on Saturday and looked at a new X5 M50d, black on black full spec. After a deal I couldn't refuse, I bought it - namely 35% discount off list price. Delivery is now, as the car's there. Looking forward to a bit more poke than my current 3.0d E70.

I should add that prices here are higher than UK, but still a good deal

Edited by Carmo99 on Monday 16th June 23:30

Wow that is a great deal.

Unfort I would want a high spec car so I doubt I'd ever be able to find one to spec in stock! Especially at the moment but maybe the X5 M50d is selling less well? Must have's for me are Panoramic Roof, Comfort Seats, Reversing Camera, Third Row Seats and Comfort Access. Have them all
on my current car and wouldn't want to do without any of them.

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Carmo99 said:

CarbonV12V said:

Carmo99 said:

Popped into my local dealer (in Switzerland) on Saturday and looked at a new X5 M50d, black on black full spec. After a deal I couldn't refuse, I bought it - namely 35% discount off list price. Delivery is now, as the car's there. Looking forward to a bit more poke than my current 3.0d E70.

I should add that prices here are higher than UK, but still a good deal

Edited by Carmo99 on Monday 16th June 23:30

I have just been flown back from Lugano by BMW International Assist as I had a puncture driving back from Italy in my UK M5.0D. Evidently they don't stock replacement run flat tyres anywhere in Italy, Switzerland or France so had to fly me back and will be repatriating the car in the next 10 days. I am still stunned by the BMW policy in this area and they will not authorise any alternative tyre to be fitted. Basically means you enter Europe at your own risk.

Sorry, but this is not true and especially in Switzerland. One advantage of the local popoulation being relatively affluent is that they expect service and will pay for it.
ps I did a quick search and found 5 sellers in CH with tyres in stock with immediate delivery (of the recommended suppliers)

Depends on the wheel size. I've noticed that people in Europe tend not to spec the 20" wheels as much...which I am guessing is because when they put winters on they don't look so bad.

That's fking expensive though....flying presumably more than one person and then repatriating a car is not cheap!

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I rang the dealer I have been buying BMW's off for twenty years yesterday to ask them for a price on a new X5. The bloke I used to speak to has just left......

Me "I am interested in a new X5, have previously bought several cars from yourselves including my current X5"
Dealer "We have delivery slots for all models available for November"
Me "Great. I would be interested in a 4.0d SE to a similar/identical spec to my current car (which they have the spec of). Please give me a price for buying a new car for November build"
Dealer "Do you want to me to quote you for a part exchange on your current car"
Me " No thanks please just quote me for buying a new car outright"
Dealer "Are you sure"
Yes "It's a one owner, very high spec car, with low mileage and still under BMW warranty...I think I can sell it privately very easily"
Dealer "Okay, I will be back shortly"

Dealer rings me back half an hour later

Dealer "What cost do you need to part exchange your current car"
Me " I asked you for the price of a new car"
Dealer "Can you tell me what you want to pay"
Me "I have asked you a very simple question, I have bought many cars from yourselves. I just want to know what you are prepared to sell a new, built to spec car for"
Dealer "Do you want to buy a car today"
Me "Yes"
Dealer "I will call you back"

That was two days ago...staggering.

One of the question I got asked about my current X5 was "Is it an automatic"......I pointed out they didn't make manual versions.

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Sheepshanks said:

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That was two days ago...staggering.

It's irritating, but if they can sell everything they can get their hands on, mostly with a p/x that can be resold, and finance etc, then you're just not worth the effort. In fact you may well have a negative effect on the salesman's stats (and therefore bonus / commission).

Sure. I asked them if I bought on finance if it would make a difference...was told it didn't make any difference to them. I doubt a new car salesman will get any kick out of the p/x either....the overall dealership will but I doubt the individual salesperson will care.

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worsy said:

edited to say, if you want a straight price, go to drivethedeal.

7.5 % discount on drivethedeal....that's really not bad. High spec car but even so that is not bad at all.

Very tempted.

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AOK said:

Discounts on (reasonably) high demand high-end new cars really are a funny concept if you step back for a second and think about it. If there was no notion or preconception of discounting, I imagine these would sell without any problem at list price. After all, those buying a £50k car with a 8% discount (£46k) could probably afford the full £50k if that was the only choice. It's the 'deal culture' which instils a requirement in us to get it for less, because someone else has... And rightly so!

I wonder if things for BMW will ever revert back to the "here's the price, take it or leave it" scenario they enjoyed back in the 80/90's. Except instead of a sales exec confident in their awesome German product, it will be a website you go to to order your car. No more playing off dealers, haggling, broker sites, calling up for finance quotes etc... and the dealerships would just turn into 'service + experience centres' where you go to a speak to a product 'genius' about the options and to test drive different models. Didn't the car builder on the BMW site give PCP numbers for exact specs last year? Seems this model is working very well for Tesla... I wonder if it will catch on.

By way of a vote, how many would not buy a car purely on the pretext that they cannot get a discount on it? Even if they can afford the initial list price?

I bought my X5 when they had only been out two or three months and paid list....didn't even ask for a discount as the dealer had done me a huge favour getting me a build slot.

The 80's and 90's were very different because manufacturers weren't chasing volumes anywhere near as aggressively....and they also controlled the market very well. The thing that really brought aggressive discounting in was personal imports from Europe. The controlled market was a busted flush and it was every man for himself.

One thing dealers do is try and control whole areas as they know that people still want to buy locally...i.e. own cluster of dealerships.

I think the X5 looks expensive given the aggressive discounting on other models....I might just run my current one for longer and buy something else as well. My current X5 is worth £15k now, the £45k I would need to buy a new one buys a lot of car.

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Fezzaman said:

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I bought my X5 when they had only been out two or three months and paid list....didn't even ask for a discount as the dealer had done me a huge favour getting me a build slot.

The 80's and 90's were very different because manufacturers weren't chasing volumes anywhere near as aggressively....and they also controlled the market very well. The thing that really brought aggressive discounting in was personal imports from Europe. The controlled market was a busted flush and it was every man for himself.

One thing dealers do is try and control whole areas as they know that people still want to buy locally...i.e. own cluster of dealerships.

I think the X5 looks expensive given the aggressive discounting on other models....I might just run my current one for longer and buy something else as well. My current X5 is worth £15k now, the £45k I would need to buy a new one buys a lot of car.

We were in a similar position to you - '58 plate sd MSport <40k on the clock - and found BMW just disinterested. Personally found the F15 not to be enough of a change/upgrade to justify the cost. Combined with lucky timing at Porsche with the run out Cayenne Platinum (ordered mid-Feb, took delivery start of May), got a good discount there, and a higher part-ex from Porsche than BMW were willing to give a year before when looking at a new M5 on the silly 0% deals.

Think it's a tougher choice now though. Cayenne facelift due and I'd imagine higher pricing to be in touch with the RRS and not overlapping with the Macan. Q7 is ageing and due for replacement. I'd imagine you're not interested in poxy 4 pots so can't see you going for an ML as engine choice is pretty weak after the 3.0sd lump. I would try and hunt out a Cayenne stock car if I were you - but then I would say that.

Thinking about going totally left field.

Keep the X5. It's been very reliable, is worth apparently £15k...has done less than 35k miles fully warrented etc.

Could buy something relatively new like an M5 for the £45k it would cost to get me into a new X5.

I'd like to get something silly with 2 seats but I know it just won't get used.