335d xdrive a bit slow....
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I've done about 1300 miles in the car and frankly it feels, well a bit slow.
I'm used to quick cars but I've always been impressed with the shove a 3.0 diesel gives you but with my 335d it doesn't seem to be there.
I know it's still pretty tight so I wonder if any other owners have experienced the engine loosening up and giving more as the miles go on?
I think you've got a point AOK, it doesn't have that wham! Just slowly builds the speed and perhaps that's what the twin turbo set up does and is engineered that way.
There are points where is does feel swift but it's missing the low down punch I thought it would have.
It feels more like a 200hp car than a 300+ one.
There are points where is does feel swift but it's missing the low down punch I thought it would have.
It feels more like a 200hp car than a 300+ one.
gizlaroc said:
Problem with these big diesel is all the torque comes in from 1000rpm and then slowly fades away rather than constantly climbing, where as the M3 just keeps on going, and we can tell changes in acceleration rather than speed itself, so combine that with the power of the M3 and it will always feel savage in comparison.
Even though the 335d is nearly as high torque wise at its lowest point compared with the M3 it is the torque tailing off that you can feel.
It is similar with the 335i, but that is somewhere in between the two.
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That graph doesn't look right shows 268hp and 400ft/lb vs. 465ft/lb and 309bhp of the 335d. It isn't a tailing off I feel as the engine gets better from 3k upwards it's from 1k-3k where it feels flat.Even though the 335d is nearly as high torque wise at its lowest point compared with the M3 it is the torque tailing off that you can feel.
It is similar with the 335i, but that is somewhere in between the two.
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Edited by gizlaroc on Tuesday 12th August 23:39
I always knew this might be a incorrect choice but I wanted to experience a powerful diesel, I'll have to give it some more time.
Thanks for the replies gents, I think the title should be not as quick as I expected rather than slow.
I've been out today and yes the speed does build but without drama, a point you've raised so you're accelerating faster than you think.
I also thought/think the brakes are poor as well (I've got the bigger brake kit on it) but perhaps they're not rubbish and I'm actually going quite quickly.
I use sport mode on the gearbox and the other sport and sport+ settings and that does improve the sharpness of the gearbox measurably.
Anyway it is what it is, a swift diesel estate not a high performance sports car.
I've been out today and yes the speed does build but without drama, a point you've raised so you're accelerating faster than you think.
I also thought/think the brakes are poor as well (I've got the bigger brake kit on it) but perhaps they're not rubbish and I'm actually going quite quickly.
I use sport mode on the gearbox and the other sport and sport+ settings and that does improve the sharpness of the gearbox measurably.
Anyway it is what it is, a swift diesel estate not a high performance sports car.
Mattt said:
With the brakes, I find there's not much bite initially - but press harder and they do stop the car well!
Yes I find the same, strange as they feel quite heavily servoed but there is a dead space between light braking and as you say pressing a lot harder that you have to go through to get some real bite. Yes there was an element of that, I was struck my the plainness of the interior compared to my old frozen edition M3 the lack of drama etc... (but what was I expecting!?)
I've got more used to the car now and if you put it in Sport+ and knock the gear lever to the left it responds quite well, I've started to appreciate the torque and traction from the AWD as well, it also rides brilliantly and soaks up the bumps and ruts you find on the road.
I think you have to take a car on its merits rather than compare to your previous car (which I said I wouldn't do but was guilty of)
gizlaroc said:
No, the power is not tailing off, the power is climbing and the car will feel quicker, but when the torque starts from 1000rpm and is not rapidly climbing it can feel a bit more lethargic.
The more aggressive the power curve the more we feel it in the seat.
Sit in a car doing a constant 130mph kicking out 350bhp and the only sense of speed you have is visual, aural and through vibration, if you were doing that speed in a hover car you wouldn't even know you are moving. We can feel changes in speed rather than speed itself, so get a very linear power curve with a flat or slightly dipping torque curve and it can all feel a bit calm.
E46 M3 Power curve...
It just keeps climbing and climbing, the power feels relentless.
One will give you drama, the other will be nice and relaxing, depends what you want from a car, and hence why so many get annoyed when people say "My mapped 335d is as quick as an M3". Yeah it is, but that is completely missing the point.
Yes I agree with you, but you do keep posting the wrong power graphs, that's the S65 not S54, but your point still stands. The more aggressive the power curve the more we feel it in the seat.
Sit in a car doing a constant 130mph kicking out 350bhp and the only sense of speed you have is visual, aural and through vibration, if you were doing that speed in a hover car you wouldn't even know you are moving. We can feel changes in speed rather than speed itself, so get a very linear power curve with a flat or slightly dipping torque curve and it can all feel a bit calm.
E46 M3 Power curve...
It just keeps climbing and climbing, the power feels relentless.
One will give you drama, the other will be nice and relaxing, depends what you want from a car, and hence why so many get annoyed when people say "My mapped 335d is as quick as an M3". Yeah it is, but that is completely missing the point.
I went out for a drive in the dales today Skipton to Kirby Lonsdale (nice road when lightly trafficked) quite enjoyed it too, car hangs on well and feels RWD as you punch out of a corner.
The car goes quickly with little effort did a few long overtakes on well clear sighted sections and it does pile on the pace, but like you say the relentless top end delivery isn't there.
gizlaroc said:
Wills2 said:
Yes I agree with you, but you do keep posting the wrong power graphs, that's the S65 not S54, but your point still stands.
Sorry, should have looked at it more, just googled e46 M3 Power Curve and grabbed the first image, but you got what I meant. I have edited the post now to show an E36 3.2 power curve.
Wills2 said:
I went out for a drive in the dales today Skipton to Kirby Lonsdale (nice road when lightly trafficked) quite enjoyed it too, car hangs on well and feels RWD as you punch out of a corner.
The car goes quickly with little effort did a few long overtakes on well clear sighted sections and it does pile on the pace, but like you say the relentless top end delivery isn't there.
But you may grow to like it, a lot. The car goes quickly with little effort did a few long overtakes on well clear sighted sections and it does pile on the pace, but like you say the relentless top end delivery isn't there.
It is just very different.
Cheers
ATM said:
Wills2 said:
BMW do an app that has a 0-62 timer on it, quite difficult to be accurate with a stop watch but not a bad ballpark figure.
How do I get this app?Also has G meter etc...
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bmw-m-laptimer/id6...
ATM said:
Wills2 said:
ATM said:
Wills2 said:
BMW do an app that has a 0-62 timer on it, quite difficult to be accurate with a stop watch but not a bad ballpark figure.
How do I get this app?Also has G meter etc...
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bmw-m-laptimer/id6...
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