F30 335D delivery dates slipping

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The dealer told me today that delivery dates for F30 335Ds are rapidly slipping to the right i.e. Sept to Dec.

They are unsure if this has do with the 335D engine itself, spec or problems getting the 19" wheels.

Anyone else encountered this??

[tjlees]

Yep.

I'm being given: there is not enough 335d engines which is causing the delay, since you could swap to 330d with m sport package (bakes, wheels etc) and bring the date forward.

Welshbeef said:

A few questions

1. If the delay is long enough could it actually be built as an LCI instead of pre in which case well worth the wait

I asked that question and lci delivery would be at the earliest June/July next year - too late for me and I'm not sure about the 25% discount being carried forward.

Welshbeef said:

2. Assuming you had agreed a part exchange what happens? You will be adding on loads more miles more wear on tyres brakes etc and it will be older potentially lapping another plate change - at what point does all this additional lost value require additional cash in the deal? Let's be silly say you added 30k additional miles onto it so what would have been a dealer sale car would then be way above what they trade and off to auction?

I asked that question too. Trade your car now and we will lend you a new car until the new one arrives nb I am a repeat customer which may of effected this answer

Additionally The dealer has put on bring the order forward thingy - original order was beginning of June.

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Welshbeef said:

Is there any significant change to the I6 F30's for LCI or just 3 bangers taking over the 328i?

Engine improvements (more power, better fuel consumption) as per 5 series now. Improved interior. Styling tweets and maybe led rear lights as per 4 series?

See http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/scoop/bmw-3-seri...

...One key change is a new range of turbocharged three-cylinder diesel and petrol engines in place of today’s turbochargedfour-cylinder powerplants....

As well as the mild exterior revisions, BMW has made efforts to improve the interior of the 3-series with higher-grade materials and new multimedia features.

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dick_dastardly71 said:

dick_dastardly71 said:

335d Touring on order since late June. Early July I was told there were delays with 35d engines and given a Feb 15 delivery date, but this has since come forward and I'm told my car is being built next week.

Edited to add that the spec includes the M Sport Plus pack.

I spoke too soon. Dealer has just informed me my car has slipped to Feb 15 build, saying it's a delay with the M Sport Brakes option. So since placing the order in June my delivery dates have been September, then Feb 2015, then September again, then Feb 2015 again.

Not quite sure I could last that long!

The dealer said to wait a little while for the german's to ramp up parts delivery post holidays. The times should come forward again - of course that could be bullste to just keep me on the hook!

I'm not really understanding the whole supply/demand/discount cycle - heavy (25%) discount means light demand? Therefore quick delivery. Originally bmw were giving me a July build date from early June.

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Wills2 said:

tjlees said:

Welshbeef said:

Is there any significant change to the I6 F30's for LCI or just 3 bangers taking over the 328i?

Engine improvements (more power, better fuel consumption) as per 5 series now.

The current i6 engines in the 5 series have no more power than the current 3 according to their website.

Its the 4 pots that have gone from 184hp/380nm to 190hp/400nm with an urban 57.6mpg in auto! Previously 49.6mpg. They have achieved this by reducing the engine internal friction. I expect it will find its way onto the 6 pots in due course.

Here is the press release for upgraded 2014 https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/pressDetail....

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Wills2 said:

tjlees said:

Wills2 said:

tjlees said:

Welshbeef said:

Is there any significant change to the I6 F30's for LCI or just 3 bangers taking over the 328i?

Engine improvements (more power, better fuel consumption) as per 5 series now.

The current i6 engines in the 5 series have no more power than the current 3 according to their website.

Its the 4 pots that have gone from 184hp/380nm to 190hp/400nm with an urban 57.6mpg in auto! Previously 49.6mpg. They have achieved this by reducing the engine internal friction. I expect it will find its way onto the 6 pots in due course.

Here is the press release for upgraded 2014 https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/pressDetail....

Yes, like I said the i6 aren't changing which was the question asked, I checked this before taking delivery of my 335d last month.

To be fair neither are the f30 4 pots changing until possibly the lci

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Wills2 said:

I noticed that on the configurator it rates the 4 series 335d at 317hp but on the tech page 313hp all the others are 313hp on either, so I wonder if that will be the LCI (but is incorrect ATM) rumour is they will go for a 340i/d badge as well.

Fast diesels are becoming popular, Audi have produced an A6 concept fast diesel with 322bhp and 479lbft. It would be good if BMW could put in the x40d or x50d N57S found on the x5/6 with 386hp and 740nm

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Was that a 335d with the m sport bigger brakes option (blue calipers)?

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So started at week 23 with a build date of week 31, which then moved to week 34 and is now circa week 50 as of last week

I'll check in a couple of weeks time ...

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Private, and yes the dealer told me I was a priority hence why the original delivery date was 8 weeks and sales guy was trying to bring forward to mid July build date.

I suspect as a default all orders with m sport big brakes got pushed back to circa week 48-50. Once big brake production gets over the summer holidays, the dates will improve according to the stealer.

My first reaction was to go elsewhere I.e. Audi or secondhand which was immediately countered with 'we will lend you a car sir until yours arrives'. I can imagine the stealers are screaming BMW Central to get production back to normal and sort out big brake delivery! Especially if are losing sales or having to keep customers sweet.

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The last deal disappeared iirc at the end of May/ beginning of June and then re-appeared a few days later with more or less a similar deal.

It may not re-appear until supply comes back though!

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Welshbeef said:

Will it come back with the same discount on the MY15 car with pro nav linked to the autobox and led lights etc?

Now that would be good! Throw in an improved n57s 386bp 740nm that does at least 50mpg on the urban and I may wait

Not sure they would offer a discount on a LCI car on first release - have they in the past??

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JNW1 said:

Thought that following the return from the summer shutdown all production was the new model year and that being the case won't your car be 2015 MY anyway?! LCI cars are a different matter but is there even a firm launch date for those?

The 3 series only got a very light upgrade post the summer hols ...

From the summer of 2014, the new 8-speed Steptronic transmission with a proactive drive system
will also be available for the models of the BMW 1 Series, BMW 2 Series, BMW 3 Series, BMW 4
Series and BMW 5 Series.

Plus a few very minor tweeks.

No LEDs I'm afraid

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335d said:

Both the 335d and M3 are turbocharged.

However, it wasn't the difficulty in raising the power output I was referring to, rather keeping the range spaced-out in performance terms, to avoid discouraging people to buy the higher model. The 335d does 0-62 in 4.8 secs, just 0.2 seconds behind a manual M4 convertible, and 0.7 secs behind an auto M3.

I appreciate that the M3/4 will pull away comfortably from the 335d at higher speeds, but I'm sure BMW will be keen to maintain the performance gap even for 0-62. I therefore expect the LCI is more likely to offer a fuel economy improvement than performance.

Yes, similar to the 520D modest power increase but relatively better mpg (well on paper anyway) causing its CO2 to drop to 109 from 123 for the standard model:

...The launch of the new generation has an even stronger impact on the BMW 520d and the BMW 520d xDrive.Maximum output is up by 5 kW to 140 kW/190 hp. Maximum torque has been increased by 20 Nm to 400 Nm. This ensures that they can achieve dynamic acceleration from standing: the BMW 520d Sedan accelerates from 0 to 100 km/h in 7.9 seconds, the BMW 520d Touring in 8.1 seconds. The figures for the four-wheel models are as follows: 7.9 seconds (Sedan) and 8.2 seconds (Touring). At the same time, consumption according to the EU test cycle has been dramatically reduced. Consumption is rated at 4.3 to 4.7 litres for the BMW 520d Sedan (CO2 emission: 114 – 124 g/km), 4.6 to 5.0 litres for the BMW 520d Touring (CO2 emission: 122 – 132 g/km), 4.7 to 5.1 litres for the BMW 520d xDrive Sedan (CO2 emission: 124 – 134 g/km) and 5.1 to 5.4 litres for the BMW 520d xDrive Touring (CO2 emission: 133 – 143 g/km). In conjunction with the 8-speed transmission, the BMW 520d Sedan returns an average fuel consumption to EU standard of 4.1 to 4.5 litres per 100 kilometres and a CO2 emission rating of 109 to 119 g/km. The figures for the new BMW 520d Touring with 8-speed transmission are 4.5 to 4.9 litres per 100 kilometres and 118 to 128 g/km (values dependent on selected tyre format).

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Welshbeef said:

evilscooby said:

Yeah I was told the same two weeks ago. Delivery for Mid October but its now End of December/Jan because of the bloody brakes :-(
If I knew it would get it months earlier I would be tempted to just ditch the brakes. Are they really that much better??

I've driven with and without and for me I'd certainly go for with, but that said I always like very impressive brakes the standard items are fine but I'd want the best standard items I could get.


Also end of the day the stopping distance is shorter so you could actually avoid a frontal incident by having them.

...and the blue callipers matches the estriol blue metallic

But seriously, it would be an easier second sale for a 335d if you have the m sport plus pack on. I have though about removing the brakes to get the car early, but providing the stealer can sort me out with a loaner then I'm willing to wait.

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Inkyfingers said:

tjlees said:

...and the blue callipers matches the estriol blue metallic

But seriously, it would be an easier second sale for a 335d if you have the m sport plus pack on. I have though about removing the brakes to get the car early, but providing the stealer can sort me out with a loaner then I'm willing to wait.

Have you spoken to the dealer about a loan car? When I ordered my new car I was assured that the new car would be delivered before my current car lease ended (on a Merc), now this is looking very unlikely.

Yes confirmed with the manager by email, providing you have ordered directly through the stealer and give them your situation they should keep you sweet, including absorbing the nov price rise if applicable.

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330d touring on 18inch wheels (1735kg kerb weight 0.31cd) achieves 42.6mpg average, 53.6mpg touring and 17.5mpg on the track in the hands of autocar.

The 435i on 19inch wheels (1640kg kerb weight 0.28cd) got 27.6mpg average, 36.9mpg touring and 10.9mpg on the track.

Btw the m4 gets 28.7 average, 35.6mpg touring and 11.1mpg on the track with a kerb weight of 1610kg and 0.34cd

Choose your engine, press the loud petal hard/soft as you like and select your mpg!

Personally if achieve 40+mpg average in 335d with some spirited driving, I'll be happy.

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evilscooby said:

What do I need to do to talk them into a loan car? And what sort of car do you get? i.e. do they give you a 116d loan car while you are waiting for a 335d. Do you still pay for it monthly?

I would quite like to hand them my s4 now

Sorry missed this - I just asked but noting my original delivery date was july then august and now (still) week 46. No its a loan 320 series, so no 335d and not really as good as a s4 but meant I kept the trade-in deal on mine.

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Welshbeef said:

Slightly different topic but Superchips have just released a remap for the F30/31 335d x drive.

It increases power to 349bhp @4,411 and looking at the graph its still producing at least 325bhp at 5,500rpm

Peak torque is 707Nm @ 2k revs!!!!! While its still producing nearly 400Nm @ 5,500 rpm.



What an engine!

good for trackdays, and i'm assuming its relatively easy to remove?

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JNW1 said:

Gave a colleague a lift to the railway station following a meeting today. He hadn't seen the new car and, as it's de-badged, he couldn't tell readily what it was before he got in. He was being complimentary about the interior (which I have to say is a big step forward in terms of quality over the E9x) but then he said "so you've stuck with petrol then"; he was suitably surprised (and impressed) when I told him the nice growl to which he was referring was being made by a diesel! Given he drives a C350 Cdi Mercedes I think it's testament to just how good the 335d is in the refinement stakes; personally I still don't think it's at the level of the N55 petrol in that regard but by diesel standards it's one seriously good motor and does work very well with the 8-speed auto. So not a sports car but really quite liking it - must be getting old!

+1 that was my first impression. It's not a petrol v6 sound but definitely not a clatterly old diesel sound.

Anyway back on topic - the stealer is still quoting week 46 from original week 31