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Anyone have any idea when the new 6 will come out?
Was considering a used 6 series if a Macan or Merc is too out of my reach (about 3-4 years old), but wanted to hold off in case a new radically different one came out! The current one is a bit soft, when driving and by the way it looks, but it's still an understated head turner...
Thank you!
Was considering a used 6 series if a Macan or Merc is too out of my reach (about 3-4 years old), but wanted to hold off in case a new radically different one came out! The current one is a bit soft, when driving and by the way it looks, but it's still an understated head turner...
Thank you!
Ninja59 said:
It is a bit unknown at the moment, I have seen some reports that the 6 will change focus entirely and become more sports cars than GT cruiser, possibly becoming an 8 series again....
If it does get released in any guise then the new 5 series is out next year, based on that the F10 was 2010, F12/F13 6 series were 2011, the F06 6GC 2012. I would expect it to follow a similar time schedule.
It personally depends on how you feel and how you are thinking of funding the 6 series if you go down that path, list prices on the 6 series are utter nonsense, it is not uncommon to find many people getting the list down to around the early £50K region, and more than likely if you went lease the rate of APR is lower (or usually is when offers come up).
To put a real world example mine has around £8-9K of options list was around £78K, bought with 2,300 miles on for £47K.
I would not go for an early car though as it misses some of the slightly nicer later features that make the car a bit of a nicer place to be. For me it would always be the GC over the coupe/cab though as it just makes the car IMO.
In relation to the 6 being "soft", it really depends what your previous history is, ride wise many complained initially of poor ride as it is firmer than the 7 and in some cases specifically on the 20" 373m wheel combination increases it's firmness. Pretty much all of the test cars in reviews had VDC which many thought was standard, but never has been.
In relation to general driving ability it is more GT cruiser than anything else, and to try and think of it as anything else is silly, the first real contention for many is the length of the thing. Be warned if you do go down this route get used to overhanging parking bays. To stick it in real context the current SWB range rover is shorter. I have driven an F10 5 series as well when mine was in for a little warranty work and I said that it felt small inside.
Then we move on to the steering etc. which like many systems is fairly devoid of feel, but in honesty I have driven worse EPAS systems.
For me the thing that I love most and tbh is only really beaten by the new 7 is the interior, the design and feel is excellent, there is only one or two places where harder plastics are found and having sat in an M4, I thought the interior was pretty crap for similar money (I know they have different outward ideals, but even so the M4 could have just about been a regular 4 series when looking at some of the interior material choices).
Outside I have never had a bad comment only good, most seem to love it and I have only seen a few 6 series around here (mine seems one of an even fewer GC's) which means many know it is a BMW, but not which series. If there were one complaint with the GC is the rear door entry could be "better", but that is more the influence of the design, if you want less problems get a 5...
Engine wise the most common is the 40d, in honesty the 40i is rare as it is not any quicker in the real world than the 40d, with much poorer economy to boot. The 40d allows you to almost have your cake and eat it really. MPG wise highest I have had my 40d after 9K is 47.3 MPG taking it easy, my average usual is around 36-38MPG.
If you were even planning to go down the 50i route with the V8 then the N63 it is worth looking at the US forums as it is pretty problematic engine which even the N63TU version seems to have not fully cured it's troublesome reputation.
Great post - really informative, so thank you for that!If it does get released in any guise then the new 5 series is out next year, based on that the F10 was 2010, F12/F13 6 series were 2011, the F06 6GC 2012. I would expect it to follow a similar time schedule.
It personally depends on how you feel and how you are thinking of funding the 6 series if you go down that path, list prices on the 6 series are utter nonsense, it is not uncommon to find many people getting the list down to around the early £50K region, and more than likely if you went lease the rate of APR is lower (or usually is when offers come up).
To put a real world example mine has around £8-9K of options list was around £78K, bought with 2,300 miles on for £47K.
I would not go for an early car though as it misses some of the slightly nicer later features that make the car a bit of a nicer place to be. For me it would always be the GC over the coupe/cab though as it just makes the car IMO.
In relation to the 6 being "soft", it really depends what your previous history is, ride wise many complained initially of poor ride as it is firmer than the 7 and in some cases specifically on the 20" 373m wheel combination increases it's firmness. Pretty much all of the test cars in reviews had VDC which many thought was standard, but never has been.
In relation to general driving ability it is more GT cruiser than anything else, and to try and think of it as anything else is silly, the first real contention for many is the length of the thing. Be warned if you do go down this route get used to overhanging parking bays. To stick it in real context the current SWB range rover is shorter. I have driven an F10 5 series as well when mine was in for a little warranty work and I said that it felt small inside.
Then we move on to the steering etc. which like many systems is fairly devoid of feel, but in honesty I have driven worse EPAS systems.
For me the thing that I love most and tbh is only really beaten by the new 7 is the interior, the design and feel is excellent, there is only one or two places where harder plastics are found and having sat in an M4, I thought the interior was pretty crap for similar money (I know they have different outward ideals, but even so the M4 could have just about been a regular 4 series when looking at some of the interior material choices).
Outside I have never had a bad comment only good, most seem to love it and I have only seen a few 6 series around here (mine seems one of an even fewer GC's) which means many know it is a BMW, but not which series. If there were one complaint with the GC is the rear door entry could be "better", but that is more the influence of the design, if you want less problems get a 5...
Engine wise the most common is the 40d, in honesty the 40i is rare as it is not any quicker in the real world than the 40d, with much poorer economy to boot. The 40d allows you to almost have your cake and eat it really. MPG wise highest I have had my 40d after 9K is 47.3 MPG taking it easy, my average usual is around 36-38MPG.
If you were even planning to go down the 50i route with the V8 then the N63 it is worth looking at the US forums as it is pretty problematic engine which even the N63TU version seems to have not fully cured it's troublesome reputation.
Edited by Ninja59 on Tuesday 19th July 08:58
Edited by Ninja59 on Tuesday 19th July 09:00
You've told me everything I wanted in one post really.
I do think the car is beautiful - I have a 2013 CLS and I thought was nice, but this 6 series is even more beautiful. Do you think if I were to purchase one now, I can get about two years out of it before a new one comes out? If I buy say a 2013 one for £25K - perhaps after 3 years it would be worth £15K?
Ninja59 said:
This is more to do with the purpose of the car though the current 6 series is as I said above a GT car through and through it may have some sporting pretensions, but that is much further down the pecking order in the current car.
If you actually read the full statement of the quote as well the 6 series is possibly going to be refocused as a more high end sports car and critically not a GT. The 8 series would effectively therefore become the default high end GT replacement for any current 6 owner. Where this leaves the 6GC is a little interesting, I do envisage it being replaced with possibly an 8GC or something similar as the 7 series is more comfort than anything, the 6 more GT which is slightly more sporty so effectively there still would be a place for it.
Furthermore, the current 6 Coupe is 4.8 metres long, the cab the same, the GC is a little longer at 5.007 metres the current new G series 7 is only 5.09 metres. Width wise they are very similar as well 6 series is 2.09 metres wide, the 7 is only 2.1...effectively very little in it in terms of size...I think many underestimate how close the size of a 6 and 7 come. Added to that is if you ever get under a 6, some of the axles and other parts do not say F12/F13/F06, but ironically F01...
I think you also are getting far to hung up on what series they come from, in future the biggest thing really is that the same chassis is pretty much going to serve the 3,5, 6, 7 and if the 8 makes an appearance that to. I would not be surprised to see the replacement RR Ghost, Wraith and Dawn in future on that chassis. In regards to the Phantom replacement then chances are (and judging from the teasers released by RR) then the same carbon fibre technology structure is being replicated there as well like the new G series 7.
Furthermore if we expand this even further then the current BMW product structure is a confused mess of many similar concepts anyway...
1 - 3dr and 5dr
2 - coupe,cab, active tourer and it's grand version variant (now that is a b
d of the brand, like the 1 will become in the next gen)
3 - saloon,touring, GT
4 - coupe, cab, GC
5 - saloon, touring,GT
6- coupe, cab and GT
7 - SWB & LWB
That is before I get on to the X, Z and i ranges...
Maybe some yearn for the days when BMW's hierarchy was easy with the 3,5 and 7 (the 8 when it was originally available and the odd Z range model)....
Yeh I've seen the reports of the 911 rivaling 6 series. The renderings look sweet too.If you actually read the full statement of the quote as well the 6 series is possibly going to be refocused as a more high end sports car and critically not a GT. The 8 series would effectively therefore become the default high end GT replacement for any current 6 owner. Where this leaves the 6GC is a little interesting, I do envisage it being replaced with possibly an 8GC or something similar as the 7 series is more comfort than anything, the 6 more GT which is slightly more sporty so effectively there still would be a place for it.
Furthermore, the current 6 Coupe is 4.8 metres long, the cab the same, the GC is a little longer at 5.007 metres the current new G series 7 is only 5.09 metres. Width wise they are very similar as well 6 series is 2.09 metres wide, the 7 is only 2.1...effectively very little in it in terms of size...I think many underestimate how close the size of a 6 and 7 come. Added to that is if you ever get under a 6, some of the axles and other parts do not say F12/F13/F06, but ironically F01...
I think you also are getting far to hung up on what series they come from, in future the biggest thing really is that the same chassis is pretty much going to serve the 3,5, 6, 7 and if the 8 makes an appearance that to. I would not be surprised to see the replacement RR Ghost, Wraith and Dawn in future on that chassis. In regards to the Phantom replacement then chances are (and judging from the teasers released by RR) then the same carbon fibre technology structure is being replicated there as well like the new G series 7.
Furthermore if we expand this even further then the current BMW product structure is a confused mess of many similar concepts anyway...
1 - 3dr and 5dr
2 - coupe,cab, active tourer and it's grand version variant (now that is a b
d of the brand, like the 1 will become in the next gen)3 - saloon,touring, GT
4 - coupe, cab, GC
5 - saloon, touring,GT
6- coupe, cab and GT
7 - SWB & LWB
That is before I get on to the X, Z and i ranges...
Maybe some yearn for the days when BMW's hierarchy was easy with the 3,5 and 7 (the 8 when it was originally available and the odd Z range model)....
Edited by Ninja59 on Wednesday 20th July 06:56
Edited by Ninja59 on Wednesday 20th July 06:59
I do love the current 6GC though. I was thinking if I buy a 4 year old one for 25K now and three years later it's 12-13K it'd be worth it with say 70K on the clock. Accurate estimation?
derin100 said:
I certainly do!
I've been driving BMWs (and a Car Club member) for 34 years now but I've become completely confused by the range of BMW models now. It even took me a while to think what was meant by the abbreviation "GC" above! Gran Coupe...right?
I actually noticed a 6-Series GC for the first time the other day...I live in a rural area so not a lot of those sorts of big, luxury cars around here normally. Beautiful looking car though! But I thought it was a 7-Series when I first saw it. The lines between some of the models in the range have become so blurred to me now.
I do hope that if and when a new 8-Series arrives it will be something 'radical' and 'stand-out' though, along the lines of the original 8-Series when first launched, rather than just blending seamlessly into the rest of the range.
Gratuitous and shameful photo-whoring of my own:
I've been driving BMWs (and a Car Club member) for 34 years now but I've become completely confused by the range of BMW models now. It even took me a while to think what was meant by the abbreviation "GC" above! Gran Coupe...right?
I actually noticed a 6-Series GC for the first time the other day...I live in a rural area so not a lot of those sorts of big, luxury cars around here normally. Beautiful looking car though! But I thought it was a 7-Series when I first saw it. The lines between some of the models in the range have become so blurred to me now.
I do hope that if and when a new 8-Series arrives it will be something 'radical' and 'stand-out' though, along the lines of the original 8-Series when first launched, rather than just blending seamlessly into the rest of the range.
Gratuitous and shameful photo-whoring of my own:
You'll car is f
king beautiful.When I was a kid, I always wanted to own an 8 series.
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