Clutch switch query

[Planter]

Hi Guys and girls,

Hopefully a quick query, Ive tried looking up the answer, but it brings up lots of information regarding bypassing the switch (this is not what i am doing or trying to do).

I bought some new shorty levers, however, these were just some cheap replacements for a damaged lever, short term until i can afford a decent set.

The bike; A GSXR 600. K8. The model/manufacturer of the levers is some cheapo chinese factory I believe.

Although, bought for the right age/era/model of bike, the lever on the clutch doesnt seem to have a block which shuts off or closes the clutch switch. Therefore the clutch switch is permanently out. The bike has, since changing the lever, started giving me an FI indicator warning. Still allows riding and doesnt seem to adversely affect anything else.

However, my query, will this by any means damage the bike? I was under the impression that the switch was just to aid starting of the bike and having to depress the clutch?? Is the FI warning linked to this do you believe, which makes me think it does something else?

Are there any alternatives until I get a new lever?

Thanks in advance

[Planter]

This is where my concern is, as Ive had seen a few things mentioning the ECU changing power/revs due to the switch.

I do have to depress the clutch lever to start the bike. But as far as my bike thinks, it already believes the clutch lever is pulled. As the switch is out. In normal riding, the switch would be in, as the lever would naturally push it in.

Thanks again for the help

[Planter]

Hooli said:

Seems to depend on the bike. My GSX14 hates the clutch switch being bypassed, it coughs, splutters & drinks like a fish. Other identical bikes don't have a problem.

Epoxy a bit of plastic or something on to push the switch, it's easy to do & you know it's right then if you're worried about it.

Thanks Hooli, this is what i was going to look at doing. But surely if the switch is in, the bike wont start as the clutch needs to be depressed? Make sense.

Ive not got my bike with me today, so will check later, but believe if the switch is 'locked/fixed' in, then it wont actually be able to start!

May be wrong, just my take on it.

[Planter]

Hooli said:

It sounded to me that pulling the lever pushes the switch and that wasn't happening? I assumed that as it's how mine works - so sticking a bit on would work.

Nope, sorry, its probably how ive written it.

Pulling the lever, allows the switch to pop out. So when you are travelling along and the clutch lever isnt being used, the switch is in.

Make sense?!

So, if i taped off the switch, I dont beleive I could start the bike.

Cheers again

[Planter]

ccr32 said:

Isn't the FI indicator related to the Fuel Injection system? And therefore how could this be related to the clutch?

Could be wrong, but just trying to recall something I read in the CBR manual many moons ago about what it means if that light comes on.

I believe that the FI indicator is 'very' generic and means there is a problem. The code it relates too is the actual issue, but need a fault reader for this. Correct me if i am wrong though.

[Planter]

555 Paul said:

The FI indicator could be for any fault code that the ECU sees on the bike. These are read by putting the bike into dealer mode by bridging the 2 wires on the plug at the rear of the bike.

Thanks Paul, beat me to it

[Planter]

Hooli said:

Ahh, gotcha.

Anyway to file the lever down to let the switch pop out or similar?

I think your right about starting it. You could take the switch off & hold it to start, then test ride it with the switch not depressed to see if it makes any difference.

This is the thing, the levers dont touch the switch at the moment at all. So the switch is permanently out. So the bike believes the clutch lever has been pulled. Therefore it allows it too start, and run fine.

However, since this lever has been fitted, the bike runs, but the FI indicator has started popping up after a few minutes, so im wondering if the bikes ECU is thinking the clutch is permanently pulled and confusing it.

[Planter]

555 Paul said:

Have a look under your pillion seat for the dealer socket and bridge those 2 wires on the plug to read the codes, that will answer your question for certain.

Will the code show on the rider display Paul?

[Planter]

555 Paul said:

Yes a C** code. C00 is no fault, here is an example.

C14 - THROTTLE POSITION SENSOR
C15 - ENGINE COOLANT TEMPERATURE SENSOR
C21 - INTAKE AIR TEMPERATURE SENSOR
C22 - ATMOSPHERIC PRESSURE SENSOR
C23 - TIPOVER SENSOR
C24 - IGNITION SIGNAL #1
C25 - IGNITION SIGNAL #2
C26 - IGNITION SIGNAL #3
C27 - IGNITION SIGNAL #4
C28 - SECONDARY THROTTLE VALVE ACTUATOR
C29 - SECONDARY THROTTLE POSITION SENSOR
C30 - SECONDARY THROTTLE CONTROL UNIT
C31 - GEAR POSITION SENSOR
C32 - INJECTOR SIGNAL #1
C33 - INJECTOR SIGNAL #2
C34 - INJECTOR SIGNAL #3
C35 - INJECTOR SIGNAL #4
C41 - FUEL PUMP CONTROL SYSTEM
C42 - IGNITION SWITCH SIGNAL
C46 - EXHAUST CONTROL VALVE ACTUATOR (01-02 1000 and 06-07 600/750/1000 ONLY)

Cheers Paul, much appreciated.

[Planter]

Mr2Mike said:

This doesn't make sense. If the clutch switch is always actuated because of the after-market lever, why do you still need to pull the clutch in to start it?

This is the thing, I dont think I do, but havent got the bike here to try.

I pull the lever out of instinct, so havent thought about it until today, when I was bored at work.

[Planter]

Lincsblokey said:

Incase it hasnt been answered, yes your bike now thinks its in netral as clutch is in, and goes into neutral mode, which is a limp map.

Ok, this makes sense. Would this therefore also be the cause of the FI warning light then?

Thanks very much for the info

[Planter]

Lincsblokey said:

No, do you have an aftermarket exhaust on it?

Yep a scorpian pipe, although this has been on for over a year and never caused an issue.

Literally the first ride since changing the lever this has occured.

[Planter]

Hooli said:

Stick something to the lever so it actuates the switch correctly? I've had to so I can start mine with cheap levers before.

This is what i think im going to do. What did you use and was it just a quick fix or did you screw or weld something?

I may stick the old lever back on this eve and take it for a quick spin, just to see if the FI indicator pops up.

Cheers again for all the help guys

[Planter]

Hooli said:

I epoxied a bit of scrap metal on, nowt technical.

Cool, thanks Hooli