Discussion
I've beat myself up about this time and time again, Why are prices just the same and never seem to be on the up like other marks of car?
Ferraris seem to have highs an lows, same with other italian brands.
The prices for classic Fords are just stupid, old Capris, Escorts, then there's the mustangs which seem to fetch stupid money for a 4 seater pony car,
so why is it that you don't see people snapping up Vipers when they come up for sale, especially when there are so few in the UK and Europe?
Classic late 60s camaros also fetch stupid moneys, yet you see early Viper RT/10s not really moving and the same with some FE Gen IIs
James's car has been for sale for years and the amount of work and moneys that car has had ploughed into it, Im amazed no one has bought it?
Same thing with les's car, a ton of work done and what seems like very little offers. Then there's Baz's car, probably the cleanest supercharged viper RT/10 in Europe.
I got asked on Monday Evening at the Ace Cafe, 'is the Viper a Supercar'? really! How do you answer a question like that
Interested to know your thoughts on this issue? It can't just be the LHD issue surely?
Now us Viper owners might be biased, so it would be good to hear from non Viper owners
Ferraris seem to have highs an lows, same with other italian brands.
The prices for classic Fords are just stupid, old Capris, Escorts, then there's the mustangs which seem to fetch stupid money for a 4 seater pony car,
so why is it that you don't see people snapping up Vipers when they come up for sale, especially when there are so few in the UK and Europe?
Classic late 60s camaros also fetch stupid moneys, yet you see early Viper RT/10s not really moving and the same with some FE Gen IIs
James's car has been for sale for years and the amount of work and moneys that car has had ploughed into it, Im amazed no one has bought it?
Same thing with les's car, a ton of work done and what seems like very little offers. Then there's Baz's car, probably the cleanest supercharged viper RT/10 in Europe.
I got asked on Monday Evening at the Ace Cafe, 'is the Viper a Supercar'? really! How do you answer a question like that
Interested to know your thoughts on this issue? It can't just be the LHD issue surely?
Now us Viper owners might be biased, so it would be good to hear from non Viper owners
Ginja said:
Its not all bad Mark - look what you could get at a reasonable price
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Viper-GTS-R-Clone/17...
Bloody Hell! Nitrous too, bet that goes like a train.http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Viper-GTS-R-Clone/17...
I need a bigger Garage! And cash!
gt500nick said:
fatboy18 said:
ot sure on this Nick, why have the same cars been for sale for so long? The Buyers don't seem to be there?
Are the cars ur seeing that have been up for ages very modified? In my experience people shy away from a modified car for many reasons, it's a small following in the uk for American cars even smaller for vipers. For a outsider who knows nothing about them and is looking to own for the first time I imagine they would prefer a car as stock as possible. If more people would actually get behind the wheel of them then we might see more on the road. The other gearing factor is lhd it simply puts people off. There is an argument for its not too different and easy to live with but the simple truth is a large majority won't ever buy a car with the steering wheel on the left. Trans-ams, have gone way up in Value, (Left Hand Drive) Many Mustangs are LHD, so I don't buy the its because its LHD reasoning, there must be something more to it?
TVR Sagaris's have also rocketed up over the years.
If you're in the Market for a two seater sports car and fancy something American its either a Corvette or Viper, we all know Vipers handle, they held the ring record for a while and have been a major track car since first creation.
Is someone who is looking at a Corvette comparing fuel economy? I will admit, you could leave a late model C4 / C5 in the Street and people would walk past it, I don't think you could do that with the Viper!
Vipers seem to me to be stupid cheap at the moment and it's one hell of a car for the money! Fuel is Low at the moment too.
I measure it in 'Smiles per Gallon'......And I've had a hell of a lot
Is someone who is looking at a Corvette comparing fuel economy? I will admit, you could leave a late model C4 / C5 in the Street and people would walk past it, I don't think you could do that with the Viper!
Vipers seem to me to be stupid cheap at the moment and it's one hell of a car for the money! Fuel is Low at the moment too.
I measure it in 'Smiles per Gallon'......And I've had a hell of a lot
Edited by fatboy18 on Thursday 13th August 23:50
altoplanohombre said:
As a very recent purchaser, LHD didn't concern me, but I certainly wasn't interested in looking at cars with modifications.....
Interesting, OK when you say modifications, What were you NOT interested in?Different wheels? Exhaust system, Headers? Radio?
Edited by fatboy18 on Saturday 15th August 16:23
Just to Relay any speculation, none of this is applying to MY car, it's NOT for sale and Is very unlikely it ever will be 
Its Just that there seem to be a Few STOCK vipers out there And one or two modded ones, but the cars don't ever seem to go up in Value?
I pulled out an old Classic American Magazine from 2005 which has a Gen II Black RT/10 for sale and a Red GTS both being advertised for around 30K That was 2005! its now 2015 and the prices are stuck in the same place!
I just find it odd
Mustangs in that magazine (at that time) could be had for a quarter of the price they are now!
Its Just that there seem to be a Few STOCK vipers out there And one or two modded ones, but the cars don't ever seem to go up in Value?
I pulled out an old Classic American Magazine from 2005 which has a Gen II Black RT/10 for sale and a Red GTS both being advertised for around 30K That was 2005! its now 2015 and the prices are stuck in the same place!
I just find it odd
Mustangs in that magazine (at that time) could be had for a quarter of the price they are now! Adam B said:
Interesting question, here is my take as someone who flirted with the idea of a viper or vette before spending most of 50k on a 997 turbo
If prices are to rise from today's levels economics says demand needs to increase (assuming supply fairly static) so for me the car has to become attractive to the general car enthusiast not just the yank car enthusiast. That's the likes of me!
So what put me off, and please don't take this as a criticism of the Viper as I have never driven one but they always make me smile when I see one. I am no expert and don't purport to be one, so I am sure there are strong counter-arguments to my impressions but that is not really the point,
LHD - yes it puts me off, especially when combined with big size and huge power and allegedly unruly handling
Handling - a contentious subject and I am sure mods can improve, but every review says they can be a bit of a handful (of course any high power RWD can be) but the word agricultural gets bandied about a lot. I prefer a bit of finesse rather than Clarkson tail out smoking, and the UK is often damp so I suspect many of those horses get spun away.
Image - I like these cars, they look great and are fun, I imagine the owners are good guys not split a holes, however driving a Viper is a very look-at-me affair. Fine for a weekend blast, a bit tiring when doing the weekly shop.
One car - which brings me in to this, many of the people with 40-50k to spend on a sports car live in London where owning two cars is a pain, that diminishes the buyer pool a fair amount
Interior - it's a bit poor to be honest, a personal thing but it's where I spend all my time driving and I am used to Germanic quality plastics and leathers
Feel free to respond but as I said I like them, and enjoy seeing them on the road, but I think prices won't rise significantly because of some of the factors I mention
Great post Adam B, thank you for the input. If prices are to rise from today's levels economics says demand needs to increase (assuming supply fairly static) so for me the car has to become attractive to the general car enthusiast not just the yank car enthusiast. That's the likes of me!
So what put me off, and please don't take this as a criticism of the Viper as I have never driven one but they always make me smile when I see one. I am no expert and don't purport to be one, so I am sure there are strong counter-arguments to my impressions but that is not really the point,
LHD - yes it puts me off, especially when combined with big size and huge power and allegedly unruly handling
Handling - a contentious subject and I am sure mods can improve, but every review says they can be a bit of a handful (of course any high power RWD can be) but the word agricultural gets bandied about a lot. I prefer a bit of finesse rather than Clarkson tail out smoking, and the UK is often damp so I suspect many of those horses get spun away.
Image - I like these cars, they look great and are fun, I imagine the owners are good guys not split a holes, however driving a Viper is a very look-at-me affair. Fine for a weekend blast, a bit tiring when doing the weekly shop.
One car - which brings me in to this, many of the people with 40-50k to spend on a sports car live in London where owning two cars is a pain, that diminishes the buyer pool a fair amount
Interior - it's a bit poor to be honest, a personal thing but it's where I spend all my time driving and I am used to Germanic quality plastics and leathers
Feel free to respond but as I said I like them, and enjoy seeing them on the road, but I think prices won't rise significantly because of some of the factors I mention
I noticed you said you flirted with the idea and mentioned 40-50k, I take it that you may of been looking at a later Gen 3 or 4 model Viper?
You are right about the damp roads and loosing horses, this is for two reasons, First being the torque to these things, second being the width of the rear rubber, the cars can brake traction very quickly in standing water!
Interiors, yes that's a given too, All American cars lack the finesse of a Merc or European Supercar.
But you can make them much better with a few aftermarket add ons
(depending on your taste).You really should get yourself in one of these for a test drive, it will put a big grin on your face like no other car
Seriously, there are a few about so you really should take one out for a test drive (sunny day)
Mine is modded and lowered and suspension is set up for the track so it would not be a fair test drive in mine.
But the Grin it puts on my face within a couple of hundred yards of driving it is worth every penny
But as you say, its not a daily driver, just a great toy.
Mine is modded and lowered and suspension is set up for the track so it would not be a fair test drive in mine.
But the Grin it puts on my face within a couple of hundred yards of driving it is worth every penny
But as you say, its not a daily driver, just a great toy.
Adam B said:
That rear spoiler is quite something. Gilding the lily is the politest comment I could make
Yes, that spoiler bolts onto the car Via the rear licence frame bolts, you then have two thin stainless lines that hook under the rear window (hatchback) weather strip. The good thing about it is you can remove it from the car with no damage to paintwork Its just a bolt on.That particular wing is made by Autoform (who specialise in aftermarket Viper mouldings)
http://www.autoformgroup.com/index.php?option=com_...
Rear wings make very good tea trays at car meets somewhere to put your sandwiches and glass of champagne
Edited by fatboy18 on Wednesday 19th August 08:32
Adam B said:
fatboy18 said:
Yes, that spoiler bolts onto the car Via the rear licence frame bolts, you then have two thin stainless lines that hook under the rear window (hatchback) weather strip. The good thing about it is you can remove it from the car with no damage to paintwork Its just a bolt on.
Good to know, are they considered desirable in Viper circles? Very much a no from me so surprised it wasn't removed and sold separately - but I appreciate I am not up on the general views on such things. There again I prefer Vipers without stripes which is probably blasphemy Its just a bolt on. You have to remember that when many of these parts were being first produced Gen II GTS-Rs were racing at Daytona and of course there was the Le mans 24hrs and the American Le mans series.
Lots of owners at the time wanted the race car look, these parts have been available for over 15 years, (which is pretty good for a small aftermarket parts company dedicated to making parts for these cars).
As for desirability, well I will leave that question open, we all like different things
Nothing wrong with a Viper Without Stripes
Some owners put Vinyl stripes on that can be removed Mine are a sprayed on factory option at an extra $2.500 (at time of purchase, 1 of 55 produced with the Red / Silver colour option)
ViperDave said:
Dr-Bob said:
are there any other wheel options?
V10 SPM said:
When I bought my Viper back in 2001 the appeal was getting a car that could compete with just about anything else on the road in terms of performance (even those costing double or triple the price). Back then I could also rely on my local Chrysler/Dodge dealer to service the car at a very reasonable price. However, now there are many cars that can match the performance and it's hard to find a garage you can trust to work on the car. That is why I think prices remain relatively low. I think my GTS was one of the last official UK cars registered and reluctantly I am now selling it. So I will be interested to see how strong the demand will be in the coming weeks.
Yea. who the hell would want one of these 
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