Advice on fitting JE Alternator bracket please?

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I decided that since the bearing on the alternator adjustment pulley on my car is on the way out I'd fit the JE alternator bracket conversion.

From the pictures in this thread http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... it looks like the adjustment bracket fastens to one of the water pump bolts.

When I offer up the alternator the front alternator bracket doesn't seem to naturally line up (front to back of car orientation) with the water pump bolts so it would put a strain on them.

Am I missing something here?

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Ah OK, thanks Peter.

You'd have thought JE Eng would have made that clear and maybe supplied the spacer.

Any idea on size of spacer?

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carsy said:

Just pack it with some washers to fill the gap.

That's what I was thinking about doing.

I saw the discussion on right way up banana brackets on the earlier thread I posted the link to.

I like the idea of the rose joint adjuster and once I've measure the size needed its probably the route I'll go down.

One more thing. The way I've mounted the alternator for now has the vents on the top. Shouldn't the vents be on the bottom to avoid water ingress?

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So what we are saying is that for a supposed engineering company this is the worst conversion kit ever!

No short bottom bolts supplied to mount the new bracket (3/16UNC? Length?).

No spacer provided (or even mentioned) to bring the banana bracket in line with the alternator mounting hole.

The bracket supplied needs to be modified to fit.

It doesn't strike me a as a good idea/good practice to use a water pump mounting bolt to mount the an alternator bracket.

Oh and no mention of the fact a new pulley belt will be needed nor the required length.

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Thanks Gary, I think we both know I'm not a stranger to spanners but surely one might reasonably expect the necessary short bolts to be provided?

As for multiple applications, where does it say that?

Until I moved house I had shed loads of bolts (3/8" rather than 3/16" as I said earlier).

As for weight saving I don't think a kilo or so is going to make much difference. My reason for changing to the JE bracket was to simplify the system so reduce failure points.

TBH I wish I hadn't bothered its a complete pain in the arse! Should have stuck with the original and changed the bearing.

Now have to trawl various places for suitable bolts and a new belt of the right size.

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Pupp said:

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Thanks Gary, I think we both know I'm not a stranger to spanners but surely one might reasonably expect the necessary short bolts to be provided?

As for multiple applications, where does it say that?

Until I moved house I had shed loads of bolts (3/8" rather than 3/16" as I said earlier).

As for weight saving I don't think a kilo or so is going to make much difference. My reason for changing to the JE bracket was to simplify the system so reduce failure points.

TBH I wish I hadn't bothered its a complete pain in the arse! Should have stuck with the original and changed the bearing.

Now have to trawl various places for suitable bolts and a new belt of the right size.

Oh FFS, it's your car you are modifying for whatever reason; take ownership of what you are doing. It's not advertised as a TVR specific item as far as I have ever seen, but something that can fit Rover V8s (and does). Bolts and belts are hardly difficult to come by - the former for literally pennies plus the price of a stamp off Ebay; as for the necessity for the latter, what did you think would happen as a result of losing the tensioner pulley - did you expect the alternator to be sitting proud above the bonnet to take up the slack that obviously results?

Sorry Alan; I don't want to appear confrontational but your criticism is well off beam on this; it's not a bolt-on like a Leven stalk nor intended or marketed as such any more than a ported cylinder head or significantly different cam grind - all need some foresight, planning, and set-up to get the best from.

7PK1580 belt should drop right on and is a common part from factors

Supportive as always -Cheers Gary

You are being confrontational and condescending. No need frankly.

Had I been able to discuss the fitting with someone it night not have been so bad but my interaction was with a woman who first time told me to ring back next week and second time was barely civil and treated me like an inconvenience.

To then find that parts that cost "a few pennies" are not included having spent ninety quid including postage is piss poor service to my mind.

Its just bad service and means a job that could be done in one day can't be, as you end up discovering you need things you don't have to hand. It could at least mention somewhere that different bolts would be required and list the likely sizes. After all they fit one engine type with the same size thread bolts in all.

Hopefully this thread will make others aware that not all parts required are supplied.

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Pupp said:

Parts? You're bleating about common fasteners, so no biggie to measure and procure what's needed if you don't have to hand? If you've not grasped that is an occasional inconvenience after more than a few years of ownership, you've learned little about what you own.

I can't comment about how you wound up whoever answered the phone as I wasn't privy to the conversation, but do recall an innate talent for alienating those in earshot...

I'm not bleating. I'm commenting. "No biggie" but a pain in the arse. Eleven years of ownership have taught me much. ss has 18 years of ownership of a similarly engined much older car.

I'm well aware that nothing is guaranteed to be straightforward on a TVR but you're deliberately missing the point. Basic information is missing. Basic parts costing in your own words"a few pennies" aren't supplied or even advised that they are required but not supplied which unnecessarily complicates the fitting of something that could be much more straightforward.

You're making assumptions about a conversation you have no knowledge of and making unnecessary personal remarks.

Good job you're not argumentative isn't it. I don't know why you're trying to make this personal Gary.

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Sardonicus said:

n all fairness I have had three of these all for different jobs and all have come with the 2 countersunk 3/8 unc screws/bolts but missing just one regular bolt ... (3 x fasteners total needed) so possibly your kit package as missed this detail

Mine came only with one countersunk allen head bolt and the other two bolt holes aren't countersunk.

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Just spent half an hour rummaging through my box of various Rover bits but it looks like I chucked all of my spare nuts and bolts when I moved 2 years ago.

If I was in the old place I could nip round the corner to the local old fashioned hardware shop that supplied all the local farmers where you could buy a single washer if needed (not that I ever did) or have them make up hydraulic hoses. He even matched the power steering hydraulic fittings for my old Rover P5B. I miss that shop