2021 Range Rover P400e Westminster plug in hybrid
Discussion
So, I have found myself in the position of owning one of the last of the line prev gen Range Rover after vowing never to have one as forum talk basically guaranteed that it would be on the back of a recovery truck regularly.
I was to collect my 550e SV order back at the begging of November, but when it arrived it inexplicably arrived with black interior instead of perlino interior as ordered, so we declined it.
We have a confirmed build date of late February for another Rangey, so I needed something in the meantime to get us through till then.
Low and behold, there was a 'just arrived' JLR management late '21 plate P400e Westminster, perlino interior and 17k miles.
At first I thought the local drug dealer had popped in, but after having a good look at it and a drive, we actually really liked it and bought it.
It's honestly in mint condition with not so much as a single stone chip on it.
Powerplant.
Almost 400bhp, so no slouch.
The previous 510e plug in hybrid we had did 82 miles at best on full leccy, and around high 60's using everything including heated steering wheel.
This does around 29 miles on full leccy, although it seems more wanting to decide for itself when it's suitable for petrol or leccy and switches seamlessly between them, and if it wasn't for the rev counter I would have no idea which mode it's in.
When it says zero electric range, it also somehow does another 5-7 miles, so the 29 mile range is overly accurate.
Reports said engine was gruff, but its very, very quiet and also very smooth.
As it jumps in between modes, and my wife doesn't do any more than 50miles in a day, it is averaging just over 50mpg.
We averaged around 85mpg with the 510e, and then about 42mpg with the D350, so I am becoming accustomed to rather surprisingly decent mpg for 2+ tonne rangeys.
Ride.
My previous 2 new model rangeys had 23" wheels and I was really impressed with the ride, however, this has 21" wheels and it's like a magic carpet.
So much so that I am considering reducing the 22" wheels on the new order to 21" wheels as it would be dissapointing to go from how comfy this is to slightly harsher.
Interior.
Bootspace is reduced as battery located there in the older model.
Interior is a lovely place to be in, and not so much as a squek or a rattle.
The leather is like brand new.
Has all the stuff on the newer ones including fridge etc
Exterior.
Charge point located in front grill instead of the side as the new models, which actually might be a better place.
Initially I thought these looked dated, but I am liking this old shape more and more, to the point I'm starting to like it more than the new shape; never seen that happening.
We had deployable sidesteps at a feigntly ridiculous £3700 fitted to the previous cars; this has the fitted step which we actually prefer, and if you get a nice genuine jlr sales guy, he shall tell you the deployable can be problematic and expensive to repair...so another option we shall change on the new order.
Summary.
Fantastic car and has totally changed my perception; we got a very good spec management car, still under manufacturers warranty for a great price that will lose peanuts in depreciation.
Very economical to run, and the best ride quality in any car we have ever had.
So far, absolutely zero issues in the last 4 weeks and 1000miles.
It wouldn't be a hardship if we decided to cancel our order and keep hold of this instead.
Range Rovers get a very hard time on forums, much like McLarens which I also have; in my experience I have had zero issues over 3 rangeys in 18mths, and just recently the first wear and tare issue with mclaren in over 2 cars and near 6 years.
I can only post my genuine ownership experiences.
Hopefully this post might help someone who is thinking about getting one of these.
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I was to collect my 550e SV order back at the begging of November, but when it arrived it inexplicably arrived with black interior instead of perlino interior as ordered, so we declined it.
We have a confirmed build date of late February for another Rangey, so I needed something in the meantime to get us through till then.
Low and behold, there was a 'just arrived' JLR management late '21 plate P400e Westminster, perlino interior and 17k miles.
At first I thought the local drug dealer had popped in, but after having a good look at it and a drive, we actually really liked it and bought it.
It's honestly in mint condition with not so much as a single stone chip on it.
Powerplant.
Almost 400bhp, so no slouch.
The previous 510e plug in hybrid we had did 82 miles at best on full leccy, and around high 60's using everything including heated steering wheel.
This does around 29 miles on full leccy, although it seems more wanting to decide for itself when it's suitable for petrol or leccy and switches seamlessly between them, and if it wasn't for the rev counter I would have no idea which mode it's in.
When it says zero electric range, it also somehow does another 5-7 miles, so the 29 mile range is overly accurate.
Reports said engine was gruff, but its very, very quiet and also very smooth.
As it jumps in between modes, and my wife doesn't do any more than 50miles in a day, it is averaging just over 50mpg.
We averaged around 85mpg with the 510e, and then about 42mpg with the D350, so I am becoming accustomed to rather surprisingly decent mpg for 2+ tonne rangeys.
Ride.
My previous 2 new model rangeys had 23" wheels and I was really impressed with the ride, however, this has 21" wheels and it's like a magic carpet.
So much so that I am considering reducing the 22" wheels on the new order to 21" wheels as it would be dissapointing to go from how comfy this is to slightly harsher.
Interior.
Bootspace is reduced as battery located there in the older model.
Interior is a lovely place to be in, and not so much as a squek or a rattle.
The leather is like brand new.
Has all the stuff on the newer ones including fridge etc
Exterior.
Charge point located in front grill instead of the side as the new models, which actually might be a better place.
Initially I thought these looked dated, but I am liking this old shape more and more, to the point I'm starting to like it more than the new shape; never seen that happening.
We had deployable sidesteps at a feigntly ridiculous £3700 fitted to the previous cars; this has the fitted step which we actually prefer, and if you get a nice genuine jlr sales guy, he shall tell you the deployable can be problematic and expensive to repair...so another option we shall change on the new order.
Summary.
Fantastic car and has totally changed my perception; we got a very good spec management car, still under manufacturers warranty for a great price that will lose peanuts in depreciation.
Very economical to run, and the best ride quality in any car we have ever had.
So far, absolutely zero issues in the last 4 weeks and 1000miles.
It wouldn't be a hardship if we decided to cancel our order and keep hold of this instead.
Range Rovers get a very hard time on forums, much like McLarens which I also have; in my experience I have had zero issues over 3 rangeys in 18mths, and just recently the first wear and tare issue with mclaren in over 2 cars and near 6 years.
I can only post my genuine ownership experiences.
Hopefully this post might help someone who is thinking about getting one of these.
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Nice car sir. Mine has the fixed sidesteps too and I love them. Makes it really easy for everyone getting in and out.
What are these like when running ICE only?
Thanks!What are these like when running ICE only?
In ICE mode it's very refined and quiet; you do not hear any engine noise inside and your never quite sure if it's in EV mode or ICE mode with the only giveaway being the dash indication of EV and the rev counter sitting at zero.
soupdragon1 said:
BMW self proclaim they're the ultimate driving machine, but I think Land Rover is right at home in that type of conversation.
They do so much right with their cars it helps you overlook reliability concerns. For example, I'm probably a bit too old to still be playing football every week, and picking up a bad injury could leave me in chronic pain.
I could stop playing to mitigate the risk but why deprive myself of something that I really like, in the off chance that something bad happens? So I just go and enjoy myself.
I used the same logic for buying a RRS that I actually just took possession on Saturday. The cars aren't exactly a disaster and there are many happy owners so the odds are highly unlikely you'll get a lemon.
That Westminster you bought is an incredible car both technically and emotionally. Such a beautiful cabin to be in and a sublime ride. The option is there to go for something a bit more reliable and a bit less special but if you deprive yourself of something special so that you gain a bit more reliability, have you really gained anything?
I don't think any range rover looks dated tbh, let alone a 2021. Even the much older ones look good and the design language clearly keeps a consistent theme throughout each generation. An older BMW/Merc/Audi will look dated, and it's almost as if those brands actually want their older cars to look old hat, wanting you to upgrade.
I think Land Rover focus on what their customers really want each time they bring a face-lift or a new model, and the improvements are fitted in around a very clear template, both inside and out. The dashboard has a familiar template across the last 2 decades, and same as the overall exterior silhouette. Go back 20 years and you'll find very nice FFRR and RRS examples.
So I wouldn't worry about not being in the very latest model. When I see a Range Rover on the road I see a great piece of machinery. When I see a German SUV on the road, I see what the latest style/flared arches, front splitter etc it has going on. The latest fashion versus a nicely tailored suit.
Nice post; thank you.They do so much right with their cars it helps you overlook reliability concerns. For example, I'm probably a bit too old to still be playing football every week, and picking up a bad injury could leave me in chronic pain.
I could stop playing to mitigate the risk but why deprive myself of something that I really like, in the off chance that something bad happens? So I just go and enjoy myself.
I used the same logic for buying a RRS that I actually just took possession on Saturday. The cars aren't exactly a disaster and there are many happy owners so the odds are highly unlikely you'll get a lemon.
That Westminster you bought is an incredible car both technically and emotionally. Such a beautiful cabin to be in and a sublime ride. The option is there to go for something a bit more reliable and a bit less special but if you deprive yourself of something special so that you gain a bit more reliability, have you really gained anything?
I don't think any range rover looks dated tbh, let alone a 2021. Even the much older ones look good and the design language clearly keeps a consistent theme throughout each generation. An older BMW/Merc/Audi will look dated, and it's almost as if those brands actually want their older cars to look old hat, wanting you to upgrade.
I think Land Rover focus on what their customers really want each time they bring a face-lift or a new model, and the improvements are fitted in around a very clear template, both inside and out. The dashboard has a familiar template across the last 2 decades, and same as the overall exterior silhouette. Go back 20 years and you'll find very nice FFRR and RRS examples.
So I wouldn't worry about not being in the very latest model. When I see a Range Rover on the road I see a great piece of machinery. When I see a German SUV on the road, I see what the latest style/flared arches, front splitter etc it has going on. The latest fashion versus a nicely tailored suit.
LooneyTunes said:
Make sure you get a proper test drive if thinking of one of the FFRR plug-in hybrids. I spent several hours in one, cross country, and the experience was very different to the OP’s: found the tiny engine really struggled, and was unrefined. The owner didn’t keep it for long.
The plug in hybrid is probably great in town, if you can run on battery much of the time, but in the sticks would you really want to choose a 2l engine as the main source of power to lug around a FFRR with largely superfluous extra batteries/electric gubbins?
I always like to read posts from someone who doesn't own the car in question, but his mate did and then got rid of it...The plug in hybrid is probably great in town, if you can run on battery much of the time, but in the sticks would you really want to choose a 2l engine as the main source of power to lug around a FFRR with largely superfluous extra batteries/electric gubbins?
The P400e has 404bhp combined, with that 'tiny' engine producing 300bhp of it; I'm not quite sure how much power it is you are requiring.
I am pretty versed with powerful 4x4s; prior to joining the RR fold when they launched the new models 2 years ago, we ran a succession of MB GL63s and GLS63s for years with around 600bhp from the V8.
I don't find this P400e lacking in power or find the engine harsh.
If we want to go fast we have other stuff; for wafting in extreme comfort, this is the 'go to'.
After years of averaging 15mpg in the '63s, its the fuel economy that's also seriously impressing me.
2022 510e First Edition
2023 D350
2021 P400e
If you ever watch 'Harry's Garage', he does IMO the best honest reviews and stays out in the sticks on a farm.
He loves how complete his 2020 P400e is for all situations; off road, school runs and urban...he actually rates it as a better all rounder than the new version, and was one of the reasons I bought one as an interim car when the new order came with the wrong interior, and until our new hybrid arrives in March.
At this rate, I have to consider long and hard if its worth the rather large delta between this and the new one.
We like it that much.
LooneyTunes said:
I’m glad you enjoyed reading my post. And I’m glad you like your car.
Hadn’t realised that only actual owners of specific models were permitted to post their experiences but, fwiw, it was not thus chap’s first FFRR, and I owned one as well at the time, so both were well accustomed to how good they can be.
The plug in hybrid fell short in so many ways, not just refinement and ICE performance (which isn’t well conveyed by the a bhp figure in isolation).
I’m sure the other poster will make his own mind up if he test drives and explores alignment with his needs.
As ever, anybody can post comments on the topic.Hadn’t realised that only actual owners of specific models were permitted to post their experiences but, fwiw, it was not thus chap’s first FFRR, and I owned one as well at the time, so both were well accustomed to how good they can be.
The plug in hybrid fell short in so many ways, not just refinement and ICE performance (which isn’t well conveyed by the a bhp figure in isolation).
I’m sure the other poster will make his own mind up if he test drives and explores alignment with his needs.
However it's always the same on Range Rover or Mclaren threads; you never get beyond the 1st page before someone who has never owned the vehicle in question posts about their mates pal brother who did have one and didn't rate it / broke down / lost a fortune etc etc.
As much as I appreciate the review of your extensive few hours in the passenger seat, I feel as though my current ownership experience just might be more valuable for any potential buyers.
As for 'Falling short in so many ways'....jeez...really?
An owner may well come along and concur with you...thats fair enough but I'm posting my current personal ownership experiences for others to consider.
Kerniki said:
We have a V8D 405 vogue se facelift and had an extended overnight test of the new car last weekend.
It’s a perfect evolution of ours tbh, just slightly better in every way, quieter, smoother but sportier handling, seats much better.
Only disappointment was a lack of seat base massage like the new S Class, only the upright part of the seat had massage, though that part was improved & quite good.
As others, prefer the 405 styling, the rear of the new model looks too pinched
For myself, its a little bizarre; I have done it the other way round.It’s a perfect evolution of ours tbh, just slightly better in every way, quieter, smoother but sportier handling, seats much better.
Only disappointment was a lack of seat base massage like the new S Class, only the upright part of the seat had massage, though that part was improved & quite good.
As others, prefer the 405 styling, the rear of the new model looks too pinched
Mighty impressed with my ownership experiences of both diesel and plug in hybrid versions of the new shape, but surprised by how good the previous gen is after vowing I would never own one.
It's certainly mixed things up a bit moving forward.
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