Exchange 2007 Power Shell
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Nothing in particular at the moment, I just hate poor software. If you *need* a shell to perform a command in 2010 is it really fully developed?
Take the vanilla product, you had to set the maximum message size from the command line. WTF???? And you had to do it differently for individual send and receive connectors... and then you have to pipe it to see what size is actually allowed
Still, MS tells us this is the future and it's much better than those crappy old windows... They're so last century, what you need is a poorly documented and inconsistent command line interface. I did Vi, it was s
t then and it still is. I could pipe, grep and cat till the cows come home but why should I? Still, let's look at the documentation...
Set SendConnector subcommand
And that's bloody it. No examples, no references to what the subcommand is and no links to it
Now I know there are a few (probably untanned
) people out there who like it but if it is the future why did they vastly increase the GUI capabilities in SP1 & SP2.
I'll leave you with this, how do you set up a new user who has an e-mail address in Active Directory users and computers? I could achieve that task back in 2003.....
Take the vanilla product, you had to set the maximum message size from the command line. WTF???? And you had to do it differently for individual send and receive connectors... and then you have to pipe it to see what size is actually allowed
Still, MS tells us this is the future and it's much better than those crappy old windows... They're so last century, what you need is a poorly documented and inconsistent command line interface. I did Vi, it was s
t then and it still is. I could pipe, grep and cat till the cows come home but why should I? Still, let's look at the documentation...Set SendConnector subcommand
And that's bloody it. No examples, no references to what the subcommand is and no links to it
Now I know there are a few (probably untanned
) people out there who like it but if it is the future why did they vastly increase the GUI capabilities in SP1 & SP2.I'll leave you with this, how do you set up a new user who has an e-mail address in Active Directory users and computers? I could achieve that task back in 2003.....
sjg said:
BliarOut said:
Still, let's look at the documentation...
Set SendConnector subcommand
And that's bloody it. No examples, no references to what the subcommand is and no links to it
You mean this documentation for 2010?Set SendConnector subcommand
And that's bloody it. No examples, no references to what the subcommand is and no links to it
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa99829...
Or this documentation for 2007?
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa99829...
Or are you just going to sit and cry because your 2003 skills are obsolete now?
My example was typed from memory, but there are swathes of it that are incomplete.
So, how do you add a user with a mailbox in Active Directory?
sjg said:
EMC if you want to point and click. "New Mailbox.." will give the option to mail-enable an existing AD account or create a new one.
Else the New-Mailbox cmdlet: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa99766...
So you can't? Else the New-Mailbox cmdlet: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa99766...
Blimey, that's progress....So what's the business benefit of investing in training for this new command line language? What's the actual training cost and how long will this language be in mainstream use?
If it's so great why have MS added to the GUI at each successive SP release?
Sure, expose the command line if you can't be bothered to write a responsive and informative GUI but don't release a product before it's ready for market.
itsnotarace said:
BliarOut said:
So, how do you add a user with a mailbox in Active Directory?
I don't follow. That is not consistent with what you wrote above. Does the user have an existing mailbox or just an email address already set in AD?If just an email address you can add a new mailbox as per normal using the EMC GUI, you can also add it from the shell - whichever takes your fancy. You don't need any extra service packs installed to do that.
itsnotarace said:
So you can't... Which we both bloody well knew anyway Sure, I like progress when it's actual progress but when a task takes longer to achieve the word you should be using is 'retrograde'.
sjg said:
Er, you fire up a piece of software and do account creation including mailbox in one hit.
On Ex2003, that's ADUC.
On Ex2007/2010, that's EMC. (and you have the option of a very flexible, easily automated command line method too).
How is one GUI method "quicker" than the other? Things move on. You can't use User Manager for Domains to create users any more either.
I want to set a couple of additional AD properties when I create the user. Is that task quicker or slower with 2007? On Ex2003, that's ADUC.
On Ex2007/2010, that's EMC. (and you have the option of a very flexible, easily automated command line method too).
How is one GUI method "quicker" than the other? Things move on. You can't use User Manager for Domains to create users any more either.
It's not that I can't accomplish the tasks, but the documentation varies between poor and non-existent.
I haven't received an answer to the business benefits questions yet
Pfft, I was actually bulk creating users when AD was first introduced using ADSIEdit, Cacls, DSMod, csvde, ldifde and a bit of cunning Excel pasting using concatenate... We set their home directory, SAMAccount name, profile path, whether the account was active or not, their e-mail, every property that was exposed in AD was fair game. Oh, and for good measure I used to throw a few variables at Novells Filer while I was at it
All the tasks that 2K7 can do now could be done yonks ago yet when 2K3 came out the GUI was complete.
And you still can't do that lot even now using the 2K7 cmdlets....
All the tasks that 2K7 can do now could be done yonks ago yet when 2K3 came out the GUI was complete.
And you still can't do that lot even now using the 2K7 cmdlets....
Prak said:
maybe not ... Yet .
And that's a large part of my beef. Yes, it would be ace if everything was exposed and worked but as usual it doesn't. IMO 2K7 was rushed to market well before it was production ready. I've not seen 2010 yet but if it's anything like 2K3 was during it's development it'll probably be what 2K7 should have been from the offset. Exchange 2000 anyone?theboss said:
BliarOut said:
Pfft, I was actually bulk creating users when AD was first introduced using ADSIEdit, Cacls, DSMod, csvde, ldifde and a bit of cunning Excel pasting using concatenate... We set their home directory, SAMAccount name, profile path, whether the account was active or not, their e-mail, every property that was exposed in AD was fair game.
I can understand an SBS-level guy struggling to get to grips with some Exchange 2007/2010 processes, but if you've genuinely and happily used all of the above mentioned scripting interfaces and command/script driven tools then you should surely consider Powershell to be the stuff of very many wet dreams? Thats the way it seems to have been embraced by all of the seasoned admins I work with...Of course you're entitled to a jolly good rant if you're just frustrated
as we all get from time to time... but I have to put my hand up and say I think Ex2010 is ten times the product 2003 wasEdited by theboss on Friday 6th August 15:49
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