Fiat Coupe 16V Turbo restoration project
Discussion
I recently bought a Bravo HLX and immediately thought of finding a Coupe 16V Turbo to swap engines over and build "the car Fiat should have" but as you can tell I've decided to try and rescue the car instead. I prefer the way the 16V engine delivers power and with the reduced weight up front compared to the 20V I prefer the way the 16V handles. Knowing what the engines are capable of it will be hard not to get "ye olde tuning forke" out.
Here's the fail list...
MOT history of this vehicle
Test date 20 September 2014
Test Result Fail
Odometer reading 75,687 miles
MOT test number 8352 2316 4280
Reason(s) for failure
Offside Stop lamp not working (1.2.1b)
Nearside rear parking brake recording little or no effort (3.7.B.6a)
Offside Front Suspension component mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded (2.4.A.3)
Nearside front brake binding (3.7.B.1)
Offside front brake binding (3.7.B.1)
Parking brake: efficiency below requirements (3.7.B.7)
Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside Front Lower Suspension arm has slight play in a ball joint (2.4.G.2)
Offside Front Lower Suspension arm has slight play in a ball joint (2.4.G.2)
Oil leak
front brake discs rusty
underside of vehicle and outer sills starting to corrode.
...from eighteen months ago. I can't imagine sitting about has done any good.
Here are the photo's I have been sent (haven't seen the car yet but put a deposit down as soon as I could)
Right on the project donor boarder line.
Either way I'll have my work cut out for me. MOT'd 16V Coupe's are getting good money these days but like all of my cars this is not a profit making exercise.
Here's the fail list...
MOT history of this vehicle
Test date 20 September 2014
Test Result Fail
Odometer reading 75,687 miles
MOT test number 8352 2316 4280
Reason(s) for failure
Offside Stop lamp not working (1.2.1b)
Nearside rear parking brake recording little or no effort (3.7.B.6a)
Offside Front Suspension component mounting prescribed area is excessively corroded (2.4.A.3)
Nearside front brake binding (3.7.B.1)
Offside front brake binding (3.7.B.1)
Parking brake: efficiency below requirements (3.7.B.7)
Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside Front Lower Suspension arm has slight play in a ball joint (2.4.G.2)
Offside Front Lower Suspension arm has slight play in a ball joint (2.4.G.2)
Oil leak
front brake discs rusty
underside of vehicle and outer sills starting to corrode.
...from eighteen months ago. I can't imagine sitting about has done any good.
Here are the photo's I have been sent (haven't seen the car yet but put a deposit down as soon as I could)
Right on the project donor boarder line.
Either way I'll have my work cut out for me. MOT'd 16V Coupe's are getting good money these days but like all of my cars this is not a profit making exercise.
So today I drove to see the car in the flash as it were.
She started first turn of the key with a jump and the downpipe was a bit blowy near the flexipipe where they always go.
The brakes are...
...very rusty but free. I was thinking of taking a set of discs and pads when I collect the car so it would be safer to drive home. I'll wrap the flexipipe and replace it at home unless I have time to do it on the spot.
One of the wheels...
...needs replacing, the headlights are a bit milky and the tail lights...
...are a pretty good nature reserve but mechanically the car is sound. Cosmetically?
Dent under the drivers side tail light, rear bumper and boot lid where the old girl has hit a post from the looks of it. Dent on the bonnet where someone has leaned on it to change the wiper (the one most Coupe's get near the headlight). New rear bumper, new boot lid, respray and other touch ups (aluminum mirror bits and the other usual suspects).
Also I need to strip...
...red paint from the engine. Looks nice from a distance but terrible up close.
At least the boot...
...wired up for a sub.
I am really looking forward to this.
She started first turn of the key with a jump and the downpipe was a bit blowy near the flexipipe where they always go.
The brakes are...
...very rusty but free. I was thinking of taking a set of discs and pads when I collect the car so it would be safer to drive home. I'll wrap the flexipipe and replace it at home unless I have time to do it on the spot.
One of the wheels...
...needs replacing, the headlights are a bit milky and the tail lights...
...are a pretty good nature reserve but mechanically the car is sound. Cosmetically?
Dent under the drivers side tail light, rear bumper and boot lid where the old girl has hit a post from the looks of it. Dent on the bonnet where someone has leaned on it to change the wiper (the one most Coupe's get near the headlight). New rear bumper, new boot lid, respray and other touch ups (aluminum mirror bits and the other usual suspects).
Also I need to strip...
...red paint from the engine. Looks nice from a distance but terrible up close.
At least the boot...
...wired up for a sub.
I am really looking forward to this.
Thank you. That's brilliant. 
I found a pair of wheels in Lincoln...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131735207603?_trksid=p20...
...I'll let you know about the other bits as soon as. Where are you based?
I found a pair of wheels in Lincoln...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131735207603?_trksid=p20...
...I'll let you know about the other bits as soon as. Where are you based?
wal 45 said:
I'm sure you checked but just in case, the 16V turbo has 16" wheels and the 16/20V NA have 15". They are exactly the same design unfortunately.....
Fiat had an annoying habit of doing that. I bought a set of Cromodore 14's from a Strada Abarth for my Panda by mistake. Luckily I left them in my shed and sold them to a mate restoring an Abarth a few years later. I still have a set of six Uno turbo ones in there. They are 16's. So I'll keep the two from Lincoln so I can have a set of five and the bent one will make a coffee table or something.
I also got these...
...for my Bravo but I'm a little underwhelmed to be honest.
Evoluzione said:
Reminds me of this:
None of the pics in your first post work btw.
Looking forward to seeing the progress, good to see them being saved, rather than chopped up. A new friendly forum has opened up for the Coupe here: http://www.fcog.co.uk/
and there is also a Farcebook group which is good for sourcing parts.
They're the Facebook message photo's so probably some copyright transfer issue. I'm on the Fiat Forum already and these guys...None of the pics in your first post work btw.
Looking forward to seeing the progress, good to see them being saved, rather than chopped up. A new friendly forum has opened up for the Coupe here: http://www.fcog.co.uk/
and there is also a Farcebook group which is good for sourcing parts.
https://www.facebook.com/NJS-Fiat-Alfa-Romeo-Abart...
...know a thing or two about the 16V turbo engine.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/fiat-coupe-16v-turbo-/17...
Modified, higher mileage and 20V leather seats. Worth keeping an eye on eh?
Modified, higher mileage and 20V leather seats. Worth keeping an eye on eh?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120943051743?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
I like the look of this bumper. With more purposeful fog lights it would make the car look a little like the TWR XJ220S.
Sorry my mind keeps straying from "restoration" to "modification".
I like the look of this bumper. With more purposeful fog lights it would make the car look a little like the TWR XJ220S.
Sorry my mind keeps straying from "restoration" to "modification".
When I collect the car. I'll either take a mate, book it into MOT, fix the brakes and drive home or tow it.
I'm back at work Friday and have a track day on the 18th so it may be some time yet.
All the links and photo's work from my Laptop and PC maybe you need to delete some cookies.
I'm back at work Friday and have a track day on the 18th so it may be some time yet.
All the links and photo's work from my Laptop and PC maybe you need to delete some cookies.
227bhp said:
Oh I see, I thought you'd already bought it.
I'm not sure how you will get an MOT on that looking at the lengthy failure list which is now (some 18 months on) a lot longer?
I bought it site unseen just working out the logistics to collect it. I'm not sure how you will get an MOT on that looking at the lengthy failure list which is now (some 18 months on) a lot longer?
There is no doubt in my mind the car will fail the MOT quite spectacularly but I can't drive the old girl on the road without a pre-booked test. Towing is a faff and finding a trailer wide enough is near impossible.
Shipley or similar would be £200+ I'd rather spend on the car.
First walk around bodywork assessment.
Front wings are both scabby but the passenger side is replaceable.
Driver side rear quarter needs half a day or so...
...the passenger side rear quarter needs a day or two.
The bonnet isn't as bad as I thought and could be repairable...
...as painting a yellow bonnet red is near impossible I'll have a crack at the original one first.
For the trash pile...
....curbed to heck passenger side front wheel...
...buckled passenger side rear wheel...
...buckled diver side front wheel. How do you buckle the passenger side rear and drivers side front?
Disposable brake parts, bumpers (the front isn't bad but could be a pain in the faff to put the little wrong right), boot lid and the alarm will be more effective in a skip.
Hmmmm Trash...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PdKGDMhau4
Front wings are both scabby but the passenger side is replaceable.
Driver side rear quarter needs half a day or so...
...the passenger side rear quarter needs a day or two.
The bonnet isn't as bad as I thought and could be repairable...
...as painting a yellow bonnet red is near impossible I'll have a crack at the original one first.
For the trash pile...
....curbed to heck passenger side front wheel...
...buckled passenger side rear wheel...
...buckled diver side front wheel. How do you buckle the passenger side rear and drivers side front?
Disposable brake parts, bumpers (the front isn't bad but could be a pain in the faff to put the little wrong right), boot lid and the alarm will be more effective in a skip.
Hmmmm Trash...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PdKGDMhau4
While my breakfast was cooking I thought I would address the MOT issue that is the most concerning. I replaced the burned out light bulb.
While I was there and before I knew it...
...I had pushed out the side crease...
...most of the post dent. I can't get to the bottom pin push as it's on the lip. I may accidentally forget to put the lock back.
The bumper needs to come off so I can fill the lip fold dent so it can wait.
One issue is the oxidization of the aluminium light holder.
I've seen these mirror polished in the past but I'll be painting them with the rest of the car.
Chip away the stuff holding them in place so I can bench polish and/or repair or try with the holder in place? I'm tempted to fill the outer lip gaps as well to give the delocked rear a really smooth look that you'd have to know the car well to notice.
Just finished my breakfast and yes it was a little overdone.
While I was there and before I knew it...
...I had pushed out the side crease...
...most of the post dent. I can't get to the bottom pin push as it's on the lip. I may accidentally forget to put the lock back.
The bumper needs to come off so I can fill the lip fold dent so it can wait.
One issue is the oxidization of the aluminium light holder.
I've seen these mirror polished in the past but I'll be painting them with the rest of the car.
Chip away the stuff holding them in place so I can bench polish and/or repair or try with the holder in place? I'm tempted to fill the outer lip gaps as well to give the delocked rear a really smooth look that you'd have to know the car well to notice.
Just finished my breakfast and yes it was a little overdone.
Got the truck and rig ready to collect the eBay 16V non-turbo tomorrow.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282017002035?_trksid=p20...
Parts for the turbo. Bootlid, maybe bonnet, seats (the drivers one has a hole), exhaust (as it looks more grown up than the chimney on the Turbo), lights, clocks (to replace the damaged odometer in the turbo mileage depending), most important of all...
N/A Inlet Camshaft!
...so I can run more boost.
Tyres for my neglected Bravo and the rest can go for spares so in theory it can pay for itself.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282017002035?_trksid=p20...
Parts for the turbo. Bootlid, maybe bonnet, seats (the drivers one has a hole), exhaust (as it looks more grown up than the chimney on the Turbo), lights, clocks (to replace the damaged odometer in the turbo mileage depending), most important of all...
N/A Inlet Camshaft!
...so I can run more boost.
Tyres for my neglected Bravo and the rest can go for spares so in theory it can pay for itself.
If I had a Pound for every time I have said "in theory" something should happen I would have a new Alfa Giulia QV.
So the N/A is a parts donor (that's a polite way of putting it).
My usual first job...
...came second this time.
The spoiler had to go. 99p start no reserve eBay skip.
The holes in the boot lid aren't that bad but welding them could make the whole surface warp. Time to teach my nephews how do lead filling.
I'd like to keep...
...the original stereo and...
...cam' cover but the rest can go.
My usual first job...
...came second this time.
The spoiler had to go. 99p start no reserve eBay skip.
The holes in the boot lid aren't that bad but welding them could make the whole surface warp. Time to teach my nephews how do lead filling.
I'd like to keep...
...the original stereo and...
...cam' cover but the rest can go.
Evoluzione said:
What seized it do you know? It was on my manor and was tempted, but when I saw the open fuel cap, seized engine and the bloke came across as a foul mouthed d
head I left it. Shame I didn't know you needed so little of it, you could have taken what you needed and sold the rest to me and left it up here!
I may be using the rear brakes to convert my Bravo HLX and other bits and bobs. Also what I don't use will do the rounds on eBay to recoup some of the outlay and buy more parts. head I left it. Shame I didn't know you needed so little of it, you could have taken what you needed and sold the rest to me and left it up here!I've all but abandoned the GRP idea as the Turbo will be done and the N/A was going to be the "project" project.
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