The new Giulia, odd engine/gearbox options?

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So the price list just came out for the new Giulia, and im a tad surprised at the engines on offer

petrol wise they offer a 2.0T with 200hp, only with an 8 speed auto, and that is it! (besides the 500hp QV)
Diesel wise there is a 2.2 lump in 136, 150 and 180hp guise, both with a 6 speed manual or 8 speed auto

Why isnt there a sub 200hp petrol? its not like BMW dont offer a 318 with only 136hp, Merc sells a C160 with only 129hp etc... I'd think either a downtuned 1750TB or maybe even the 1.4Multi-air which can do 170hp would be a decent entry level engine, coupled with a manual gearbox it might also drop the entry price for a Giulia below its current €40K (in the netherlands)

Is alfa trying to stay sporty that hard that its willing to forego quite a bunch of sales? and what is with the auto box only on the petrol models?

Realisticly speaking im not the intended audience (dont have the money), but looking at how the 159 did, i might be able to pick up a giulia after its first owner gets bored with it, and i have to say im not that enticed by the engines on offer.

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wal 45 said:

Seems strange it "only" has 200hp as the 1750 TBi in 159 form has 200hp albeit with poor fuel consumption, in 4C and GQV spec I think it is circa 240hp.

That too!

Vag/Merc/BMW do what, 300-340 hp out of a 2.0T in their hot hatches? given the gap between the 200hp "standard" giulia and the 510hp QV, i wouldve expected a more powerfull 2.0 as well

I can sort of see why they dont want a 1.4 in there, 170hp should be enough, but itll be decidedly un-alfa like to have a 1.4 engine in your big new fancy saloon

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Ali_T said:

There's been no mention of a slower engine but, why would you want one?

Cheaper? Honestly 200hp is an insane amount of power for the entry level when its predecessors started at 140 and 120 respectively, even if you account for the weight gain and go for the 166 rather then 156, that puts you at 150 from a 2.0TS. And all those engines were turbo-less so lack a lot of low-end torque compared to this 2.0T lump i would assume.

Being able to drop the price a few grand by making an entry level 1.4T 170hp car would make it a lot easier to compete with the 318i, they'd just need to avoid mentioning the actual engine capacity in mainstream marketing (like Merc does)

Im not sure how a 1.4 would handle the weight when its off boost, but some proper tuning/sizing of the turbo should allow for a very capable entry level car, not everyone buys an Alfa to do 130 MPH on the autobahn

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DeltonaS said:

Drove the 1.4 Multiair (170hp) in the Giulietta, it really is an impressive engine.

Very fitting entry level Giulia IMO. And by the way the new Giulia is lighter than the 159.

Havent driven the Giulietta, but i do have experience with the 135 and 155 flavours of Mito, and the 155 would feel right at home in a giulia i´d imagine, i just cant remember how torque was all the way down, but AFAIK the MultiAir system did fix that a bit.