Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2
Discussion
B'stard Child said:
NoNeed said:
B'stard Child said:
That's one problem but it's the smaller one
A GE now would probably result in effectively zero opposition.........
I think that Labour would dissapear, as the election would be betweent the tories delivering the will of the people and the libdems mopping up all the remain votes with a promise to stop brexit.A GE now would probably result in effectively zero opposition.........
Apart from a few metropolitan centres they wouldn't make anything like enough ground to have any effect
They chased after the "remain" vote because hey lets face it a slice of 23% (or whatever the hard remainer % is) is better than the 9% they currently get.... but that 23% is both the upper bound and made up of some people who won't vote Lib Dems and others who will vote for other parties regardless. In the mean time they've pissed off a big chunk of their old support and their new support may f
k off if Brexit turns out to not be the cluster-fk they feared. The rest will just remember that they don't stand for democracy. Fastdruid said:
I've got a virtual £5 on no more than 10 Lib Dems next GE.
Was that with Jawknee?Fastdruid said:
They chased after the "remain" vote because hey lets face it a slice of 23% (or whatever the hard remainer % is) is better than the 9% they currently get.... but that 23% is both the upper bound and made up of some people who won't vote Lib Dems and others who will vote for other parties regardless. In the mean time they've pissed off a big chunk of their old support and their new support may fk off if Brexit turns out to not be the cluster-fk they feared. The rest will just remember that they don't stand for democracy.
They are screwed and they don't even realise it........k off if Brexit turns out to not be the cluster-fk they feared. The rest will just remember that they don't stand for democracy. Burwood said:
technodup said:
Diane was too ill to vote?
Let's hope Brillo gets to ask her about that. Because it sounds to me she shat out of backing Brexit or resigning the shadow cabinet.
Surprised, not. It typifies Labour. Do nothing, add nothing. Sneer on command bunch of misfits and racistsLet's hope Brillo gets to ask her about that. Because it sounds to me she shat out of backing Brexit or resigning the shadow cabinet.
Welshbeef said:
Burwood said:
technodup said:
Diane was too ill to vote?
Let's hope Brillo gets to ask her about that. Because it sounds to me she shat out of backing Brexit or resigning the shadow cabinet.
Surprised, not. It typifies Labour. Do nothing, add nothing. Sneer on command bunch of misfits and racistsLet's hope Brillo gets to ask her about that. Because it sounds to me she shat out of backing Brexit or resigning the shadow cabinet.
Fastdruid said:
I bet if you ran this poll in the days before Maggie was actually toppled, she would have scored better than this and she HAD to go then..... I was and am still one of her fans! But don't hold that against me; she did plenty wrong also.
Slaav said:
Even if we include the likes of Foot, have we ever seen (in modern times) such a total vote of no confidence?
I bet if you ran this poll in the days before Maggie was actually toppled, she would have scored better than this and she HAD to go then..... I was and am still one of her fans! But don't hold that against me; she did plenty wrong also.
what would have been a blood bath is having Maggie opposite it him at the dispatch box it would have been brutal. Lets face it Labour is now a Youth movement and the sad part for Labour is that they will eventually grow up and leave.I bet if you ran this poll in the days before Maggie was actually toppled, she would have scored better than this and she HAD to go then..... I was and am still one of her fans! But don't hold that against me; she did plenty wrong also.
NoddyonNitrous said:
Welshbeef said:
If sick on such a key vote why didn't she proxy vote? I hope her constituents are livid with her
Don't the whips have a system of pairing for such situations - they agree with the conservative whips that one of the other side won't vote either to maintain the balance?1 lib dem sick is 1/9th 1 Tory is 1/221th.
Welshbeef said:
NoddyonNitrous said:
Welshbeef said:
If sick on such a key vote why didn't she proxy vote? I hope her constituents are livid with her
Don't the whips have a system of pairing for such situations - they agree with the conservative whips that one of the other side won't vote either to maintain the balance?1 lib dem sick is 1/9th 1 Tory is 1/221th.
It works out the same though. They cancel out.
Lets say in a totally theoretical situation you had 498 Aye's against 114 Noes. An "Aye" pairs up with a "Noe" and both abstain. The result is now 497 against 113. A majority by 384. Lets say 100 Aye's pair up with 100 Noes. It's now 398 against 14 but still a 384 majority. The only issue with the system is if you run out of people to pair up with!
I suspect the issue here seeing as 94% of the HoC voted was that they all wanted to actually vote rather than abstain.
Fastdruid said:
Welshbeef said:
NoddyonNitrous said:
Welshbeef said:
If sick on such a key vote why didn't she proxy vote? I hope her constituents are livid with her
Don't the whips have a system of pairing for such situations - they agree with the conservative whips that one of the other side won't vote either to maintain the balance?1 lib dem sick is 1/9th 1 Tory is 1/221th.
It works out the same though. They cancel out.
Lets say in a totally theoretical situation you had 498 Aye's against 114 Noes. An "Aye" pairs up with a "Noe" and both abstain. The result is now 497 against 113. A majority by 384. Lets say 100 Aye's pair up with 100 Noes. It's now 398 against 14 but still a 384 majority. The only issue with the system is if you run out of people to pair up with!
I suspect the issue here seeing as 94% of the HoC voted was that they all wanted to actually vote rather than abstain.
If 1 lib dem MP is sick and has been whipped his impact to the lib dem stance is 1/9th - what isn't clear?
Welshbeef said:
Fastdruid said:
Welshbeef said:
NoddyonNitrous said:
Welshbeef said:
If sick on such a key vote why didn't she proxy vote? I hope her constituents are livid with her
Don't the whips have a system of pairing for such situations - they agree with the conservative whips that one of the other side won't vote either to maintain the balance?1 lib dem sick is 1/9th 1 Tory is 1/221th.
It works out the same though. They cancel out.
Lets say in a totally theoretical situation you had 498 Aye's against 114 Noes. An "Aye" pairs up with a "Noe" and both abstain. The result is now 497 against 113. A majority by 384. Lets say 100 Aye's pair up with 100 Noes. It's now 398 against 14 but still a 384 majority. The only issue with the system is if you run out of people to pair up with!
I suspect the issue here seeing as 94% of the HoC voted was that they all wanted to actually vote rather than abstain.
If 1 lib dem MP is sick and has been whipped his impact to the lib dem stance is 1/9th - what isn't clear?
Fastdruid said:
That voting in the HoC is a simple majority and hence it really doesn't matter if 1/9 of the party abstains. Apart from of course if the vote is symbolic and for example if all of the Lib Dems want to show a united front (which btw they didn't on the triggering A50).
Far enough Is John McDonnel on the same illicit medication as Corbyn?
After hearing his interview on Radio 4 this morning I think there should be an immediate investigation into a drugs ring around the Labour Leadership and shadow cabinet.
Delusional is an insufficiently strong word to describe their perception of what is going on around them.
After hearing his interview on Radio 4 this morning I think there should be an immediate investigation into a drugs ring around the Labour Leadership and shadow cabinet.
Delusional is an insufficiently strong word to describe their perception of what is going on around them.
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