France, Neighbours from hell
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MarshPhantom said:
p1stonhead said:
Tampon said:
MarshPhantom said:
They should close the tunnel, I seriously wouldn't give s
t.
It would right royally bugger me up. Lovely to use, cheap enough and really quick. t.Think the commuters in Paris and London would find it really difficult as well.
t".Balmoral said:
MarshPhantom said:
p1stonhead said:
Tampon said:
MarshPhantom said:
They should close the tunnel, I seriously wouldn't give st.
It would right royally bugger me up. Lovely to use, cheap enough and really quick. t.Think the commuters in Paris and London would find it really difficult as well.
t".t because I don't like it. Not read my Eurostar tales of woe posted above.I went to Paris recently, awful trip caused by problems with the vehicles on the train. Not Eurostar's fault but hardly a great piece of design if you're stuck behind broken down vehicles on the way out and the way home. We were very late leaving in the morning and on the way home pretty much everyone had to reverse off when we were back in Blighty. And I was in a big old van.
Marvellous.
Something else that certainly doesn't happen on the ferries.
Edited by MarshPhantom on Tuesday 15th November 14:07
PositronicRay said:
MarshPhantom said:
p1stonhead said:
Tampon said:
MarshPhantom said:
They should close the tunnel, I seriously wouldn't give st.
It would right royally bugger me up. Lovely to use, cheap enough and really quick. t.Think the commuters in Paris and London would find it really difficult as well.
Edited by MarshPhantom on Tuesday 15th November 14:01
PositronicRay said:
MarshPhantom said:
Does anyone know how much they pay to use tunnel? It's basically like a toll bridge.
£60 a time. No wonder they never make any money.
Not at all like a toll bridge, different fares depending on facilities used and times etc. A bit more like a ferry but goes under rather than over. £60 a time. No wonder they never make any money.
Norfolkit said:
MarshPhantom said:
Does anyone know how much they pay to use tunnel? It's basically like a toll bridge.
£60 a time. No wonder they never make any money.
We paid less than that when we went to Spa in August, £57 I think it was.£60 a time. No wonder they never make any money.
Which seems like an absolute bargain to be honest.
MarshPhantom said:
Balmoral said:
MarshPhantom said:
p1stonhead said:
Tampon said:
MarshPhantom said:
They should close the tunnel, I seriously wouldn't give st.
It would right royally bugger me up. Lovely to use, cheap enough and really quick. t.Think the commuters in Paris and London would find it really difficult as well.
t".t because I don't like it. Not read my Eurostar tales of woe posted above.I went to Paris recently, awful trip caused by problems with the vehicles on the train. Not Eurostar's fault but hardly a great piece of design if you're stuck behind broken down vehicles on the way out and the way home. We were very late leaving in the morning and on the way home pretty much everyone had to reverse off when we were back in Blighty. And I was in a big old van.
Marvellous.
Something else that certainly doesn't happen on the ferries.
KrazyIvan said:
This is nothing more then a negotiation first shot.
Its Frances way of saying that they want to be paid for doing it, and so they should. 5 years from now they will still be doing it under a new treaty which the UK will pay for (in both Euros and staff).
This might be plausible if it was the French Government saying this (and we weren't already paying for it), but it's just comments by a lacky to one of the election hopefuls. It's not politics beyond appealing to the electorate. Its Frances way of saying that they want to be paid for doing it, and so they should. 5 years from now they will still be doing it under a new treaty which the UK will pay for (in both Euros and staff).
Last time this came u it was Sarkozy saying the same thing, Another that wants to be elected. As a result the Jungle has canned and the problem has largely gone away.
Neither comments are relevant to the future operation of Le Touquet, I certainly wouldn't draw any conclusions from them. Especially as I suspect nether this chap's mate or Sarkozy will be anywhere near winning their election.
MarshPhantom said:
p1stonhead said:
Tampon said:
MarshPhantom said:
They should close the tunnel, I seriously wouldn't give st.
It would right royally bugger me up. Lovely to use, cheap enough and really quick. t.Think the commuters in Paris and London would find it really difficult as well.
Esseesse said:
MarshPhantom said:
p1stonhead said:
Tampon said:
MarshPhantom said:
They should close the tunnel, I seriously wouldn't give st.
It would right royally bugger me up. Lovely to use, cheap enough and really quick. t.Think the commuters in Paris and London would find it really difficult as well.
Let's just go all Blackcurrant Tango on their arse!
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paulrockliffe said:
Le Touquet is a bilateral agreement that is independent of the EU. There's nothing in Brexit that has any impact on Le Touquet, unless the French decide to include it.
Le Touquet isn't the French doing us some wonderful favour, it's what lets us send our tourist money over there efficiently and what lets us buy their wine and lamb without hassle. Tearing up that agreement would have negative consequences for France, we would probably have to spend more at the border, but the consequences would be smaller.
Checking the border on French soil means that there isn't a right to asylum generated when the check takes place, the illegals found are already on French soil. Without Le Touquet the burden on returning illegals and the resulting fines fall on the ferry companies and Euro Tunnel, so you'll have far more stringent and time consuming checks taking place in France, they'll just be done by the Ferry companies. Then the same check will take place in the UK or France, depending on which way you're travelling. The ports will be gummed up.
As a result, more people will fly to their holidays, which then won't include France and French Lamb and Wine will cost more and they'll sell less. We'll export and import more through other ports instead as they then become more competitive.
When reading the article, what you need to bear in mind is that the BBC love this idea, even though they don't understand it. And it's reporting comments by someone connected to someone that won't win their election anyway.
Also, didn't they just remove all these Asylum seekers that this chap thinks France shouldn't be dealing with despite their being on French soil, because they want to be in the UK?
The agreement is a tripartite agreement not bilateral.Le Touquet isn't the French doing us some wonderful favour, it's what lets us send our tourist money over there efficiently and what lets us buy their wine and lamb without hassle. Tearing up that agreement would have negative consequences for France, we would probably have to spend more at the border, but the consequences would be smaller.
Checking the border on French soil means that there isn't a right to asylum generated when the check takes place, the illegals found are already on French soil. Without Le Touquet the burden on returning illegals and the resulting fines fall on the ferry companies and Euro Tunnel, so you'll have far more stringent and time consuming checks taking place in France, they'll just be done by the Ferry companies. Then the same check will take place in the UK or France, depending on which way you're travelling. The ports will be gummed up.
As a result, more people will fly to their holidays, which then won't include France and French Lamb and Wine will cost more and they'll sell less. We'll export and import more through other ports instead as they then become more competitive.
When reading the article, what you need to bear in mind is that the BBC love this idea, even though they don't understand it. And it's reporting comments by someone connected to someone that won't win their election anyway.
Also, didn't they just remove all these Asylum seekers that this chap thinks France shouldn't be dealing with despite their being on French soil, because they want to be in the UK?
Your right if it ended it will gum up the cannel crossing. Which may be avoidable by tourists but it would have a major impact on UK exports much of which goes via the crossings.
MarshPhantom said:
You do hear of a fair few incidents in the tunnels because of problems with trains.
My other half works with someone that was stuck on it for a few days over christmas a few years ago.
That never happens with the ferries.
I've worked at The Eurostar depot in North London, the interiors of the original trains were honestly a right old state.
Ferries get delayed and cancelled by bad weather all the time?My other half works with someone that was stuck on it for a few days over christmas a few years ago.
That never happens with the ferries.
I've worked at The Eurostar depot in North London, the interiors of the original trains were honestly a right old state.
original trains from 20 years ago? the ones I have traveled on in the last 10 years have all been lovely.
Sounds like you have a bit of a axe to grind with the tunnel. I like the ferry when it is super cheap, £50 or less and I will use it, but anything more and it is the chunnel every time, even delayed they run you through quickly and you get a nice waiting area with kids play area and an brillant dog walking zone as well. Takes at least a couple of hours off the trip to the South of France.
I feel it is actually unfair to compare the two as they are so different in what they offer.
Kermit power said:
I do find it quite fascinating that of all politicians in France, it's the Front Nationale saying that the UK border should remain in Calais because the consequence of moving it will be dead bodies in the channel as migrants try to cross. Have they got a hidden agenda there??
The hidden agenda being whilst it stays in France the more the French start frothing at the mouth and the more chance Le Pen has of getting elected, the current government in France is now trying to present a 'tough approach' to it all to try to stop voters flocking to Le Pen.MarshPhantom said:
PositronicRay said:
MarshPhantom said:
p1stonhead said:
Tampon said:
MarshPhantom said:
They should close the tunnel, I seriously wouldn't give st.
It would right royally bugger me up. Lovely to use, cheap enough and really quick. t.Think the commuters in Paris and London would find it really difficult as well.
Ahh, now I know why you Le Torquet so much!
Do all lorries get searched in France now ? Does it mean they will not be searched and just allowed to drive on provided the driver has the right paperwork in the future.
So should Uk say unless that lorry has been verifiably searched for illegals or whatever, then it doesn't get on the boat.
So should Uk say unless that lorry has been verifiably searched for illegals or whatever, then it doesn't get on the boat.
Fastdruid said:
Three reasons. Firstly it would encourage more dangerous activity (walking the tunnel etc). Secondly it would mean that we wouldn't be able to not let them in as they would already be in the country and could then claim asylum. Thirdly it would effectively be the French breaking international law.
Isn't it the case though that you are not legally in the country until you have passed beyond the customs/border patrol point?Even if it isn't then you just do the check on the train/ferry and send back whomever is illegal.
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