Intercooler Fan Conversions

[nickytwohats]

With summer coming I was thinking about getting one .. any views?

[V6GTO]

Buy a Faulks IC...they have a fan allready fitted

Martin.

[plipton]

Is Matt still trading? His website seems to have vanished

[paulcundy]

plipton said:

Is Matt still trading? His website seems to have vanished

Rick,

Pics here

http://paulcundy.smugmug.com/gallery/

Regards
PauL C

[lucozade]

plipton said:

Is Matt still trading? His website seems to have vanished

www.fpshop.co.uk/index.asp

[plipton]

Ta.

Matt emailed me too.

Cheers

[DaveAVT]

I supply very compact tubular chargecoolers (www.chargecooler.co.uk) and the existing piping on the Noble (or even the hardpipe kits I have seen) would be perfect for this type of thing..

Has anybody specialised in any kind of chargecooling system on the Noble?

[paulcundy]

DaveAVT said:

I supply very compact tubular chargecoolers (www.chargecooler.co.uk) and the existing piping on the Noble (or even the hardpipe kits I have seen) would be perfect for this type of thing.. Has anybody specialised in any kind of chargecooling system on the Noble?

Dear Dave,
As far as I know no ones actually done it. There has been a lot of discussion about it. I think we'd all welcome you doing the first. All you need now is for somenone to volunteer their car.
Regards
Paul C

[sean j g]

can someone please tell me if there is anyone who does a fan kit to fit onto my intercooler as i have had my intercooler upgraded so i dont want to change the whole thing cheers sean

[plipton]

paulcundy said:

All you need now is for somenone to volunteer their car.

Hmmm. I'm tempted. A few questions though...

1. The Noble IC has 2 inlets and one outlet pipe. How would you cope with this?

2. Where would the radiator fit (and the pump) ? I'm guessing it might fit next to one of the side pods to take cold air from there but they are quite small. Front mounting will create a lot of plumbing work. Failing that I suppose it could replace the standard IC, but then where would the charge cooler go?

3. does the coolant get hot enough to require an expansion bottle? If so where would it fit?

4. How much weight would this setup add (inc coolant)?

5. How much better than an IC are these things in terms of exit air temperature and internal airflow.

If you can overcome these problems I (and a few others) would probably be interested.
Cheers

Plipton

[adrian w]

I spoke to Pace and they were confident but wanted me to pay all the development costs so i didnt bother

[plipton]

sean j g said:

can someone please tell me if there is anyone who does a fan kit to fit onto my intercooler as i have had my intercooler upgraded so i dont want to change the whole thing cheers sean

You might find a standard Kenlowe might fit (I think they used to do a small one - not sure what they make now though)

[broad]

I am soon to start testing various intercooler cores / fan applications vs stock vs a.n.other well known intercooler. If Dave AVT wants to supply a setup for trial I will be pleased to include it in the tests with results available to all Noble owners. If the results are good I would gladly stock the system at noblemods.co.uk

My initial concerns with chargecooling are Noble specific packaging, home installation and failure leading to water ingress into the engine.

I'll also be testing a fan on the standard cooler as it will be easy enough to do when I am in 'white coat mode' !! I'm employing the services of a very nerdy scientist friend of mine who assures me that he will be able to give me the results in 'real world people' speak !!

Graham

[DaveAVT]

plipton said:

paulcundy said: All you need now is for somenone to volunteer their car. Hmmm. I'm tempted. A few questions though... 1. The Noble IC has 2 inlets and one outlet pipe. How would you cope with this? 2. Where would the radiator fit (and the pump) ? I'm guessing it might fit next to one of the side pods to take cold air from there but they are quite small. Front mounting will create a lot of plumbing work. Failing that I suppose it could replace the standard IC, but then where would the charge cooler go? 3. does the coolant get hot enough to require an expansion bottle? If so where would it fit? 4. How much weight would this setup add (inc coolant)? 5. How much better than an IC are these things in terms of exit air temperature and internal airflow. If you can overcome these problems I (and a few others) would probably be interested. Cheers Plipton

Well, either you can be very flash, have two units etc...
..and/or in place of the standard intercooler, have a 2 into 1 pipe work, and have a single large cooler in the single pipe afterwards..
...Or..keep the factory intercooler and run a single chargecooler after it in tandem - I don't know how your cars suffer with heat soak on the standard IC, can you enlighten me..?

Personally I would prefer the pre-rad at the front. I use these units alot on Renault GTA V6 Turbos (again rear mounted turbo) and running the pipework all the way to the front means you have a large volume of water in the system and will also lose alot of heat running all that way to the front of the car..

You don't need an expansion tank, as the water doesnt get hot enough, just a filler unit in the pipework.

Weight wise, the 4x10 core I sell which would be suitable (350mm long) is basically the same dimensions as a 1.5l Coke bottle, and the same weight when full of coolant. The pump is 1kg, and the front rad may add a couple of kilos depending on materials and the any added weight of the coolant..

Core wise, the bigger the better. The best cores I do are the 6x8", or 10". These are 6" diameter cores, with 3" (76mm) diameter inlet and outlets. Installtion is so simple, as it will just involve removing the relavant length of pipework, and installing this unit. This is why Pace would have development costs, as their units are not of this design and would require them to fabricate something especially..

Air flow wise, these cores are very efficient. I have had only 1.3psi pressure drop at 21psi with 400cfm flow. Inlet temps were 13 degrees above ambient. You lot don't seem to run these pressures.

The main thing with CC's is the stable charge temps. Intercoolers are very dependant on air flow and placement (not good on rear engined cars) where water to air systems are so more stable in all conditions.

Im quite willing to supply a core and pump and filler unit for testing, all you would need to supply for yourself is the pre rad of your choice (and whether you want to also fan assist it) and your own piping, only because I don't have the knowledge of the best place and space available on the Noble..

I would need the person to test it not really to nominate themselves though, I would like recommendations from other people, and preferably somebody that can get the unit fitted and with test results rather quickly, as I have done things like this in the past, only to find 3 months later, they still havent got round to fitting it..

Would be nice if the person testing has an interest in purchasing too (if they get good results)!

Any more info please email me as [e-mail]

Cheers

David

[DaveAVT]

broad said:

I am soon to start testing various intercooler cores / fan applications vs stock vs a.n.other well known intercooler. If Dave AVT wants to supply a setup for trial I will be pleased to include it in the tests with results available to all Noble owners. If the results are good I would gladly stock the system at noblemods.co.uk

Ah, yes, missed this post - using somebody in the Noble tuning circles would be helpful..

[DaveAVT]

What diameter is the piping in the hard pipe kit?

[DaveAVT]

Ive knocked up this quick photoshop, Can anyone tell me if this is feasable (where I have located the cooler)?

If this system is possible, it would be so far superior to the existing intercooler setup in terms of lag and throttle response, as the boost circuit will be a fifth of the original length.

On the turbo(s) outlet side, they would need be joined via a t-piece piping so they meet directly at the inlet to the chargecooler unit.

[plipton]

DaveAVT said:

Ive knocked up this quick photoshop, Can anyone tell me if this is feasable (where I have located the cooler)? If this system is possible, it would be so far superior to the existing intercooler setup in terms of lag and throttle response, as the boost circuit will be a fifth of the original length. On the turbo(s) outlet side, they would need be joined via a t-piece piping so they meet directly at the inlet to the chargecooler unit.

Getting close - the front turbo is catered for but the rear one is under the intercooler. The pipe run would be OK (as it's the standard route for the filters in the "classic" position). I think a Y piece would be less restrictive than a T piece though.





>> Edited by plipton on Saturday 20th May 21:40

[DaveAVT]

Ah right, Ive finally worked out your plumbing. So a pipe would come from the intecooler turbo end to the chargecooler inlet, ( I meant y-piece.. )

EDIT : Its a real mess the original layout, so a definate improvement could be made..

>> Edited by DaveAVT on Saturday 20th May 21:51

[DaveAVT]

So, more like this.

One pipe from one turbo, one from the other under the old intercooler, into a Y-Piece, through the core into the plenum..