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anniesdad
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68 months
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cheburator said:anniesdad said:The 997 is a gorgeous car. There's no doubt the Panamera will look similar to the rest of the Porsche range, but inevitably on closer inspection will have a number of minor detail changes that will help add to a subtle but different whole.
There is nothing wrong with all the Porsche range having similar design cues, almost all manufacturers adopt the same strategy. Even Lotus are guilty with the new Europa!
If Porsche styling was suspect, I'd be more concerned, but as it isn't it's not really a problem.
It'll be a stunner. 
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I cannot believe that I am reading this... The 928 is the only Porsche which is really dateless. Look at the purity of the form and the simplicity of the lines. Then think about the fact that it was penned by W Mobius wa-y-y back in 1972. A 928 GTS does not look out of place even next to a 997s today. It would be great if Porsche was to take the old 928 basic form and update it for the 2000s... I for one would never give up the ergonomics of the original 928 dashboard for the "Designed by Stevie Wonder" 911 cockpit... |
Correct me if I'm wrong but the new car will be called "Panamera" not "928", so to compare with the 928 and yes I agree, it's simple lines, it's perhaps unfair? Don't get me wrong, I can see that people have perhaps a "dewy" eye to the past, but this is Porsche we're talking about, not Lamborghini, who don't really do the retro thing. What do you think about the new Miura proposal? >> Edited by anniesdad on Thursday 23 March 16:45
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cheburator
510 posts
88 months
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anniesdad said:cheburator said:anniesdad said:The 997 is a gorgeous car. There's no doubt the Panamera will look similar to the rest of the Porsche range, but inevitably on closer inspection will have a number of minor detail changes that will help add to a subtle but different whole.
There is nothing wrong with all the Porsche range having similar design cues, almost all manufacturers adopt the same strategy. Even Lotus are guilty with the new Europa!
If Porsche styling was suspect, I'd be more concerned, but as it isn't it's not really a problem.
It'll be a stunner.
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I cannot believe that I am reading this... The 928 is the only Porsche which is really dateless. Look at the purity of the form and the simplicity of the lines. Then think about the fact that it was penned by W Mobius wa-y-y back in 1972. A 928 GTS does not look out of place even next to a 997s today. It would be great if Porsche was to take the old 928 basic form and update it for the 2000s... I for one would never give up the ergonomics of the original 928 dashboard for the "Designed by Stevie Wonder" 911 cockpit... |
Correct me if I'm wrong but the new car will be called "Panamera" not "928", so to compare with the 928 and yes I agree, it's simple lines, it's perhaps unfair?
Don't get me wrong, I can see that people have perhaps a "dewy" eye to the past, but this is Porsche we're talking about, not Lamborghini, who don't really do the retro thing.
What do you think about the new Miura proposal?
>> Edited by anniesdad on Thursday 23 March 16:45 |
I don't have a "dewy" eye to the past  I think that the 928, particularly in its S4/GTS incarnations was one of the best shapes Porsche's designers ever penned. And for the record - I do like the new Miura... 
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anniesdad
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68 months
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I wouldn't argue with you on that! The Father of a good friend of mine, owned a couple of 928's over the years and missed his last one terribly - can you believe he bought an Aston Martin DB7 V6 to replace it.
Having spent time in the cars, I can agree with you that they are/were very special.
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bertie
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114 months
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anniesdad said:| The 997 is a gorgeous car. |
Eh? Impeccably engineered, reliable, great to drive, quick, comfortable, great handling, a fine thing to own, well built, all of those I can take, but not gorgoeus! IMHO obviously.
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errek72
434 posts
76 months
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If it rises from the grave...that would make it a zombie then?
Well in that case the Porsche styling will be apt enough
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mondeoman
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I always thought that the arse end of a 928 looked like the blunt end of the Canberra.
Lovely motor though! Wish they'd done a manual.
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anniesdad
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bertie said:anniesdad said:| The 997 is a gorgeous car. |
Eh?
Impeccably engineered, reliable, great to drive, quick, comfortable, great handling, a fine thing to own, well built, all of those I can take, but not gorgoeus!
IMHO obviously. |
Maybe gorgeous is stretching it a little, but it is definitely not aesthetically challenged that's for sure.
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cheburator
510 posts
88 months
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mondeoman said:I always thought that the arse end of a 928 looked like the blunt end of the Canberra.
Lovely motor though! Wish they'd done a manual. |
Hmm, I must have two fake 928s sitting outside my house...  You see, both of them are fitted with dog-leg 5spd Borg Warner manual boxes and twin disc clutches... 
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runnersp
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mondeoman said:I always thought that the arse end of a 928 looked like the blunt end of the Canberra.
Lovely motor though! Wish they'd done a manual. |
IIRC they made a few early ones manual, not sure about the later ones though!
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pandar
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About 10% of the 61,000 S4s were manual. Not sure about the numbers of GTS manuals though.
The GTS manual will still out perform lower spec 911 variations quite easily!
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dinkel
18,224 posts
88 months
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cheburator said:| The 928 is the only Porsche which is really dateless. Look at the purity of the form and the simplicity of the lines. Then think about the fact that it was penned by W Mobius wa-y-y back in 1972. A 928 GTS does not look out of place even next to a 997s today. It would be great if Porsche was to take the old 928 basic form and update it for the 2000s... I for one would never give up the ergonomics of the original 928 dashboard for the "Designed by Stevie Wonder" 911 cockpit... |
A great read about the 928 here.  Porsche 942 . . . 
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Gentelman
167 posts
74 months
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runnersp said:mondeoman said:I always thought that the arse end of a 928 looked like the blunt end of the Canberra.
Lovely motor though! Wish they'd done a manual. |
IIRC they made a few early ones manual, not sure about the later ones though! |
pandar said:About 10% of the 61,000 S4s were manual. Not sure about the numbers of GTS manuals though.
The GTS manual will still out perform lower spec 911 variations quite easily! |
5-speeds were available all years. From 1989 through about '93, I believe, all 928's designated "S4" were automatics, while 928's designated "GT" were 5-speeds (also with slightly different hp/torque to make the manual more usable).
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Gentelman
167 posts
74 months
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cheburator said:anniesdad said:The 997 is a gorgeous car. There's no doubt the Panamera will look similar to the rest of the Porsche range, but inevitably on closer inspection will have a number of minor detail changes that will help add to a subtle but different whole.
There is nothing wrong with all the Porsche range having similar design cues, almost all manufacturers adopt the same strategy. Even Lotus are guilty with the new Europa!
If Porsche styling was suspect, I'd be more concerned, but as it isn't it's not really a problem.
It'll be a stunner.
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I cannot believe that I am reading this... The 928 is the only Porsche which is really dateless. Look at the purity of the form and the simplicity of the lines. Then think about the fact that it was penned by W Mobius wa-y-y back in 1972. A 928 GTS does not look out of place even next to a 997s today. It would be great if Porsche was to take the old 928 basic form and update it for the 2000s... I for one would never give up the ergonomics of the original 928 dashboard for the "Designed by Stevie Wonder" 911 cockpit... |
I hear you, the 928 has the best ergonomics of any car I've ever owned. Plus, still looks stunning next to new Astons and... whatever. I walk out of work and think, "wow, that was designed in the 70's!" The stylist, Tony Lapine was also behind the Corvette Stingray.
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Scogue
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Anyone own the 928 GTS on Craven Road, Paddington, London? Dark blue, stunner! I agree, the old 928 is a classic! Even though I want a 911 next this car has a special place in my heart 
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993turbo
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47 months
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I for one think Porsche needs a front engined GT car... and that picture if it is the real deal is attractive from my point of view.
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JoeKing
33 posts
58 months
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Porsche needs to use as few (or no) 997 styling cues. However this (& putting the motor in the correct position) alienated the "true"(?) Porchephiles in the original 928; & was its ultimate undoing.
I hope this will not be another $200k DB9/599 dreamcar that it's owners will be affraid to sully by real world usage, the raison detre of the original.
There are manual S-4's...I have one.
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huge
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Its a very common modern trait I'm afraid.....every manufacturer is just producing bigger/smaller versions of the same car and saying they have a varied range.
Look at Audi and VW.....all essentially different sized versions of the same car,looks wise.I saw the new R32 Golf yesterday.A quick look and the Chrome grill/front is straight off the new Passat.Audi put the same front on all their models too.In my eyes,and Ive had loads of arguments about this,all Porsches look like stretched/shrunk versions of the same car,but they're not alone,the new AM V8 looks like a DB9 after a 90 c wash cycle.Where have we seen the new volvo C70 front end before?.....thats right the V50 and S40
I realise there are, of course,a myriad of tiny and subtle styling differences,but isnt it about time car-makers had the balls to let their designers produce ranges that stand out from their other products,or have the accountants totally won ?
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pandar
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47 months
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Gentelman said:runnersp said:mondeoman said:I always thought that the arse end of a 928 looked like the blunt end of the Canberra.
Lovely motor though! Wish they'd done a manual. |
IIRC they made a few early ones manual, not sure about the later ones though! |
pandar said:About 10% of the 61,000 S4s were manual. Not sure about the numbers of GTS manuals though.
The GTS manual will still out perform lower spec 911 variations quite easily! |
5-speeds were available all years. From 1989 through about '93, I believe, all 928's designated "S4" were automatics, while 928's designated "GT" were 5-speeds (also with slightly different hp/torque to make the manual more usable). |
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porschecarfans
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Marquis_Rex
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69 months
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I have to agree with Cheburetor. Speaking as a current 993 owner who once owned a 928, I think the 928s shape is more timeless. It was infact one of the original design briefs for Tony Lapine- to house the trans axle mechanical configuration in a dateless shape that didn't look as big as it is. Current stylists for pretencious fashion conscious piles of crap ( like Bangle Bimmers) should take note from Tony Lapine and Paul Braq. Just compare a 930 era 911 with a 928 S4 both from the 80s, and see how dated (but charming) a 930 type 911 looks. I think Tony Lapine did an incredible job all those years ago. It's a shame that with most manufacturers now, designing something timeless is less important than looking fashionable. However I do think he current Porsche range looks quite timeless. Although timeless doesn't always mean "better". I think the 996 is much more timeless looking than a 993, but the 993 is  in styling and the 996....well....
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