Honda 2006 Type R
Discussion
I think we are going off the subject a bit but anyway here goes for a first post on pistonheads.
I am employed as a sales executive at a Honda dealer in the midlands, we getlots of customers asking about the new Type R civic and the truth is we do not know much about it, all we know for sure is that it will have the 2.4 engine from the accord although producing 240bhp, there is talk of a 200bhp version although nothing is certain, as for looks well there is a possibility that it will be based on the coupe version of the 2006 civic which is destined for the American market (as featured in EVO magazine a while ago) but as you can probably guess nothing is definate yet despite what anyone says.
Our technicians fit all manner of phonekits and cradles etc and have no problems at all with the quality of the plastics ! I guess you should choose your supplier carefully (if in doubt go for genuine parts)
Phew thankyou for your patience...go easy on me..
Tony..
I am employed as a sales executive at a Honda dealer in the midlands, we getlots of customers asking about the new Type R civic and the truth is we do not know much about it, all we know for sure is that it will have the 2.4 engine from the accord although producing 240bhp, there is talk of a 200bhp version although nothing is certain, as for looks well there is a possibility that it will be based on the coupe version of the 2006 civic which is destined for the American market (as featured in EVO magazine a while ago) but as you can probably guess nothing is definate yet despite what anyone says.
Our technicians fit all manner of phonekits and cradles etc and have no problems at all with the quality of the plastics ! I guess you should choose your supplier carefully (if in doubt go for genuine parts)
Phew thankyou for your patience...go easy on me..
Tony..
The Type R is being reveiled at the geneva motor show in March.
However its not based on the Honda Coupe, it has the same siloette as the 5 door, just an extra spoiler on the tailgate. This helps keep costs down and allows the same jigs to be used with minor mods in the weld department and also allows quite a few parts to be standard across both ranges, again this helps to lower costs.
>> Edited by puppiemaster on Wednesday 21st December 00:30
However its not based on the Honda Coupe, it has the same siloette as the 5 door, just an extra spoiler on the tailgate. This helps keep costs down and allows the same jigs to be used with minor mods in the weld department and also allows quite a few parts to be standard across both ranges, again this helps to lower costs.
>> Edited by puppiemaster on Wednesday 21st December 00:30
DennisTheMenace said:Phew.....so I'm ok to buy one when it's time to replace my reliable old workhorse 2.0 VTEC Accord then eh? !
I saw a new shape civic today ............ driven by reggie with doris sat beside him , the shocking (although not much visual impact IMHO) styling hasnt scared off the OAP's
>> Edited by chim666 on Wednesday 21st December 16:51
Puppy,
I'm quite sure that you are very proud of the car you are working on. But to be fair the car will be underpowered (Honda have tended to exaggerate their power figures consistantly) and also be totally slaughtered in terms of torque and the powerband.
I would say the first Type-R had it pretty easy in that it did something quite different and it's power was ahead of the game. I would say this one will struggle just down to the quality of the opposition.
Puppyman you now have permission to defend the car with blind love as per usual...
I'm quite sure that you are very proud of the car you are working on. But to be fair the car will be underpowered (Honda have tended to exaggerate their power figures consistantly) and also be totally slaughtered in terms of torque and the powerband.
I would say the first Type-R had it pretty easy in that it did something quite different and it's power was ahead of the game. I would say this one will struggle just down to the quality of the opposition.
Puppyman you now have permission to defend the car with blind love as per usual...
Well until you bother to drive it you will never know,
The 5 door is not underpowered its limited so that the insurance grouping is not to high. the diesel is limited to just over 8 seconds, in trials it did 0 - 62 in 6.4sec and actually holds 19 world records.
All i was trying to do was inform some people about the new type R and some of the features it will have, but as usual people want to just complain about everything and not actually take the information in.
This posting section is now at an end and I will stick to the NSX replacement at work instead.
Could of told you loads about that as well.
The 5 door is not underpowered its limited so that the insurance grouping is not to high. the diesel is limited to just over 8 seconds, in trials it did 0 - 62 in 6.4sec and actually holds 19 world records.
All i was trying to do was inform some people about the new type R and some of the features it will have, but as usual people want to just complain about everything and not actually take the information in.
This posting section is now at an end and I will stick to the NSX replacement at work instead.
Could of told you loads about that as well.
So there will be:
- Type R with a 2.0L and 200bhp
- Type R Premium with a 2.4L and ~250bhp?
Will the Type R Premium be called like that or will it be called Type RR?
1 more question:
puppiemaster, as you are in the new model section, do you know when Honda will launch the new Jazz?
Will it be 2007, 2008...
- Type R with a 2.0L and 200bhp
- Type R Premium with a 2.4L and ~250bhp?
Will the Type R Premium be called like that or will it be called Type RR?
1 more question:
puppiemaster, as you are in the new model section, do you know when Honda will launch the new Jazz?
Will it be 2007, 2008...
charlieromeo said:
Puppy,
I'm quite sure that you are very proud of the car you are working on. But to be fair the car will be underpowered (Honda have tended to exaggerate their power figures consistantly) and also be totally slaughtered in terms of torque and the powerband.
I would say the first Type-R had it pretty easy in that it did something quite different and it's power was ahead of the game. I would say this one will struggle just down to the quality of the opposition.
Exaggerated power? Most manufacturers do that...Honda aren't exceptional either way. The only engines that typically aren't are FI lumps, where extra power is VERY easy to get.
First 'Type-R' (I assume you mean Civic Type R) wasn't original in any way - 3 door hatch with big alloys, MacP struts and high-revving engine...could've been any one of a number of cars. What it did well was both look the part and deliver the performance (power AND handling) at a good price, while having the safety-net of Honda reliability and build quality (shame about the paint...). It and the Clio 172 effectively forced VW, PSA, Vauxhall and Ford to get off their arses and build some serious performance machines.
NB: The first 'Type R' in the UK was the Integra, which WAS rather different in 1997 - race-spec or race-derived components across the car, serious weight-loss (the CTR was 'softer' in that regard), one of the first mainstream-manufacturer properly track-tested cars...previously the preserve of M3's and Clubsports, or rally-refugees.
Havoc,
In 2001 it was the only 8000rpm 200bhp hot hatch out there (The Integra is a coupe and doesn't count) and it was so different I bought one!
The only other choices were a Seat Leon Cupra (too big) a Clio 172 (Too small) or perhaps a Golf Gti (too fat). Today you can go to any manufacturer and they have a more powerful, torquey, good handling hatch which just wasn't around in 2001. Ford, Vauxhall, Renault and even VW offer a better product which is just much better in every aspect.
As for the power output Civic Type-Rs usually put out about 170bhp on a rolling road and the 'mighty' S2000 just over 200bhp. That's not a just a little bit out that's blatently fiddling the figures!
In 2001 it was the only 8000rpm 200bhp hot hatch out there (The Integra is a coupe and doesn't count) and it was so different I bought one!
The only other choices were a Seat Leon Cupra (too big) a Clio 172 (Too small) or perhaps a Golf Gti (too fat). Today you can go to any manufacturer and they have a more powerful, torquey, good handling hatch which just wasn't around in 2001. Ford, Vauxhall, Renault and even VW offer a better product which is just much better in every aspect.
As for the power output Civic Type-Rs usually put out about 170bhp on a rolling road and the 'mighty' S2000 just over 200bhp. That's not a just a little bit out that's blatently fiddling the figures!
charlieromeo said:
As for the power output Civic Type-Rs usually put out about 170bhp on a rolling road and the 'mighty' S2000 just over 200bhp. That's not a just a little bit out that's blatently fiddling the figures!
You've been going to the wrong rolling roads then...either that or the roads aren't adjusting for transmission losses - 197 down to 170 is about 14%, which sounds slightly low for a fwd car...so maybe the engine was actually giving just over 200bhp and the 170 is at the hubs?!?
(No way is the CTR giving 170bhp peak - the old ITRs (187bhp book) were dyno'd at 180-185 depending on engine, and that was an older-tech 1.8 (albeit it revved slightly higher) Ditto S2000 - sounds like hub horse-power. Where have you got this info from?)
As for 'better in every respect' - the CTR still has the best gearchange in the category, one of the best driving positions, the smoothest power-delivery (most competition are now FI), so how are the modern competition better, except in torque and in headline stats? They're all substantially heavier also - 1200kg for the CTR is better than all except Clio, which is a class down in size. And you should know how important weight is...an ex-VX owner!?!
charlieromeo said:
As for the power output Civic Type-Rs usually put out about 170bhp on a rolling road and the 'mighty' S2000 just over 200bhp. That's not a just a little bit out that's blatently fiddling the figures!
no way hose! i had a rover turbo coupe (c.200bhp) & the CTR definitely feels as fast (after 6 kRPM).
below 3k i can't tell the difference in torque compared to say a bog-standard Ford Focus 2.0.
hmmm, i can't really see Honda (as the world's largest engine manufacturer, not just cars) putting their reputation in jeapardy by misquoting BHP/PS figures by 15%!?
anyway, driving pleasure is not just about pure power output. if you want 300bhp, then you could plumb a Jackson Racing supercharger onto the existing engine.
haven't had a chance to look at the plastics in the new Civic, but the current model has very soft plastics than scuff and bend easily. in fact, the previous Civic (VTi) was much better IMHO.
>> Edited by fido on Thursday 29th December 13:27
ive heard (around the campfire) that the 2.4 will be producing 280bhp and not the 240 that they were originally talking about. This may only be a special edition of the 2.4. Surely ya dont need that much power in a front wheel drive! Ive seen the pictures of it (not allowed to post pics of it here). The wheels it comes with are massive! with very slim profile tyres. Im impressed, will definatly sell well.
johns3 said:
ive heard (around the campfire) that the 2.4 will be producing 280bhp and not the 240 that they were originally talking about. This may only be a special edition of the 2.4. Surely ya dont need that much power in a front wheel drive! Ive seen the pictures of it (not allowed to post pics of it here). The wheels it comes with are massive! with very slim profile tyres. Im impressed, will definatly sell well.
Massive wheels and ultra-low profile tyres?!? Hmmm
Can anyone spell 'tramline'?!? Or pronounce 'camber hunt'?!? 280bhp through front wheels?!? Hmmm
Only if double-wishbones, equal length half-shafts and progressive torque delivery.puppiemaster said:
Its to save space and money, can give a flat floor and increase the luggage space, not the best idea in the world, but decision was made in Japan. Type R will be different.
>> Edited by puppiemaster on Wednesday 28th December 11:28
So does the R have wishbone or multi-link rear suspension rather than torsion beam?
As much as I was disappointed by the previous Type-R if the new one can look and go as well as these pictures suggest (OK this is probably closer to the new Integra than the civic) I'll be keen enough to have a look.
Although saying that seeing the back end treatment on this image does seem rather 'chavtastic'.
>> Edited by charlieromeo on Tuesday 3rd January 00:00
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